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[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

for inventory wide use or for only with old platforms ... ? like Mirage Jets?

Gokdo'an block 2 will be compatible to AMRAAM C-5, so a good choice from the PAF....

GÖKDOĞAN hava-hava füzesi Faz-2 ile 100 km menzile çıkabilir

Gürcan Okumuş GÖKTUĞ Projesinin önemli bir seviyeye geldiği ifade ederek hava-hava füzesi noktasında çok ciddi bir know-how edinildiğini aktardı.

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[PanzerKiel]

for inventory wide use or for only with old platforms ... ? like Mirage Jets?

Rumor is for old platforms... Just rumors you know.

 

[HRK]

Gokdo'an block 2 will be compatible to AMRAAM C-5, so a good choice from the PAF....

GÖKDOĞAN hava-hava füzesi Faz-2 ile 100 km menzile çıkabilir

Gürcan Okumuş GÖKTUĞ Projesinin önemli bir seviyeye geldiği ifade ederek hava-hava füzesi noktasında çok ciddi bir know-how edinildiğini aktardı.

www.defenceturk.net

As Panzerkiel has stated that as per rumours Gokdoan is considered for Old platform so in this case it would be Gokdogan blk-1 BVR missile with +70 Km range, Mirage jets have +65 KM range radar.

 

[Dazzler]

As Panzerkiel has stated that as per rumours Gokdoan is considered for Old platform so in this case it would be blk-1 with +70 Km range, Mirage have +65 KM range radar.

Not for thunders. Sd-10a is sufficient for them.

 

[HRK]

Not for thunders. Sd-10a is sufficient for them.

By the term 'blk-1' I was referring to the first blk of Gokdogan missile which reportedly have range of 65 or 70 km.

I was not talking about JF-17 blk-1, I am editing my post to make it more clear for others to understand

 

[Ali_Baba]

There is no harm in integration on all PAF platforms that includes the JF17s to aid in military diversification - but the older platforms would benefit more from a capability upgrade to some extent. The mirages are limited in the number of pylons they have - so they can be used to substiture in place of the shorter range AAMs they carry if PAF was prepared to rewire. The idea of a single BVR on a Mirage seems not that efficent to me when you consider how much money it takes to perform one mission etc.

 

[HRK]

There is no harm in integration on all PAF platforms that includes the JF17s to aid in military diversification

- JF-17 already have better range BVR available,

- F-7 are almost retired

- F-16 also have better range AIM-120C-5, further US would not allow any 3rd country system or weapon on F-16 in PAF fleet

This mean we are left only with Mirage jets, one more thing If Gokdogan is coming then may be WVR Goktug is also either under consideration or at some stage later would be considered.

 

[Ali_Baba]

- JF-17 already have better range BVR available,

- F-7 are almost retired

- F-16 also have better range AIM-120C-5, further US would not allow any 3rd country system or weapon on F-16 in PAF fleet

This mean we are left only with Mirage jets, one more thing If Gokdogan is coming then may be WVR Goktug is also either under consideration or at some stage later would be considered.

Agree - i just hope if they integrate it then it the mirage is configured with 2 bvr missiles and not one - even if that means a dual rack... seems pointless to me to do all this work to just have 1 bvr missile!!!

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

This mean we are left only with Mirage jets, one more thing If Gokdogan is coming then may be WVR Goktug is also either under consideration or at some stage later would be considered.

Goktu' is the project's name. Bozdo'an is the WVR missile...

 

[CombatSurgeon]

Well, our own in-house BVR missile is in advanced stages of development! How many types would we be handling?

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

- JF-17 already have better range BVR available,

- F-7 are almost retired

- F-16 also have better range AIM-120C-5, further US would not allow any 3rd country system or weapon on F-16 in PAF fleet

This mean we are left only with Mirage jets, one more thing If Gokdogan is coming then may be WVR Goktug is also either under consideration or at some stage later would be considered.

It could be for the in-house AESA radar program. Basically, a learning process to figure out BVR integration work. I can see the PAF experimenting with both the Mirage III/5 and JF-17, but not at a fleet-wide scale.

 

[PanzerKiel]

Sometime back, an operational requirement was floated, whereby, Mirage strike packages would be escorted by mirages as well, freeing up Thunders and Vipers for other important tasks.

Even though we all would like DER or TER on Mirages..... But even one BVR type missile on an aircraft may do wonders. As a bandit, I would start my evasive maneuvers the moment my RWR came to life... And of course I won't be thinking that I'd been painted by an aircraft having only one missile.

Afterall, It took only two missiles on February 19 to have a snowball effect.

 

[Zarvan]

Recently heard rumors about Turkish Gokdogan missile being considered.

Well I hope not only we consider them but go for TOT and work on more range versions and ones with better engines. I mean same as Meteor of Europe. Good move if true.

 

[PanzerKiel]

Well I hope not only we consider them but go for TOT and work on more range versions and ones with better engines. I mean same as Meteor of Europe. Good move if true.

TOT or not, multiple hundred missiles with longer shelf life are way better than having nothing.

 

[Zarvan]

TOT or not, multiple hundred missiles with longer shelf life are way better than having nothing.

Totally agree