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Pakistan accuses India and Afghanistan of meddling in Baluchistan.

Basically we should wait for Mr. Rehman Malik to display evidance's for the report or whatever he has said. They we can know the exact picture of whats right and whats worng.:what:

First I would like to see the rock solid evidence of who killed Bhutto, and the trial that took place to convict the accused, as the government supposedly also has these proofs on file.

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I'll bet a dime that whatever he has to offer will be something a 3 yr old can debunk.

By the way, Has the Russian Ambassador been called to the Ministry of foreign Affairs? Has a statement been issued by the Russians?
 
I'll bet a dime that whatever he has to offer will be something a 3 yr old can debunk.

By the way, Has the Russian Ambassador been called to the Ministry of foreign Affairs? Has a statement been issued by the Russians?

You would trust the Russians (who we fought against in the Cold War) against your own Pakistani people???

Are you really Pakistani?
 
I think I question anything that does not make sense or is poorly done, and the fact that you are persuaded by something becomes suspicious to me. You don't strike me as a serious person, after all yesterday Russia was not on your enemies list and it was topped by the U.S. and in a instant, you've changed your mind -- you don't even know what the evidence is, all you know or I know or anyone knows is that a civil servant has made a claim and an accusation - and yet that is all you need to go jihadi, so to speak.

Usually i try to avoid your comments as you are in the habit of questioning anything that does make sense or is rightly done.

But still...

One, The evidence has been given during the in-camera session of the parliament

Two, Even it the evidence had not been given, the so called civil servant of yours is not an AH that he is openly blaming not 1, not 2 but 3 countries of meddling in our affairs without evidence.

Three, as for the Russian interest, try to read the Sash and Misha's story in the thread Pakistan: Unveiling the Mystery of Balochistan Insurgency (it was here on PDF sometime back), the ex KGB Officers who started all this-the BLA thing when USSR invaded Afghanistan to initiate a separatist movement in Balochistan, so that after USSR occupy Afghanistan they can have access to the warm waters of Arabian Sea not through Pakistan but through an independent state of Balochistan.

Some time i really doubt you TT capabilities, dear.
 
For them who say that these accusations have been made without evidence:

ISLAMABAD: At a closed-door Senate session on Thursday, Interior Adviser Rehman Malik presented a bleak picture of the security situation in the country and showed what he called evidence of the involvement of India, Afghanistan and Russia in terrorist activities.

It is the first time Pakistan has blamed these countries and cited evidences which, it is believed, will be shared with the international community, particularly the United States, which has expressed concern over growing militancy in the country..................

DAWN.COM | Pakistan | Rehman Malik presents ?proof of Indian hand in unrest?
 
The article in question in paper published out of Islamabad - and they were talking about when there was such a thing as a USSR -- Is there still a USSR?

With bright bulbs like in Pak Army offering startegic insight, is it any wonder the Army seems to have none.

I recall and all readers recall, that you stated that it was the U.S that was behind the BLA and that it is was the U.S. that needed to seperate B"stan for their supply corridor - now you blame your failing mental abilities on those who ask you to make sense.

But do try. Yesterday it was the U.S. the enemy today is Russia, tomorrrow it will be someone else - either way, which problem that Pakistan is facing now will be solved?? I asked you once whether you played chess -- I realize now that if you do play it, you play it poorly.

Pakistan are in "check" - the position in Indian administered Kashmir and Afghanistan are no longer tenable, certainly not in the way they used to be, the tools that enabled influence are now turned on Pakistan itself and unfortunately for the people of Pakistan, those whose DUTY it is to safe guard Pakistan are in Paralysis.

Once again, What interests of RUSSIA, since there is no USSR, are served by stoking insurgency in B'stan over these last 8 years??

You say it is all about warm water ports, well, the Russian has access to Iran and it's ports and it needs B'stan, exactly why?

And Russia no longer has the navy the USSR did, is that not so? And since the Russian is league with the evil Indian, why does he need ports in B'stan?
Think man, think!
 
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Oh yes you are right there is no USSR...guud guess, you are such geniose.
But the seed which had been sown in the past is still reaping its friuts.

As of Russian (not USSR) involvement in Balochistan: thanks for the Russian laps where the indians enjoyed a guud sleep, i wonder if the US can tilt towards a country(india) which has been under a communist wings for all their needs since ever, then why cant Russia do 'a little favor' for india (try to understand that intelligence agencies like to work in collaboration, the 'knowledge that the KGB had of Afghanistan and Balochistan is still worthwhile-what hurts india if make use of KGBs 'help', which turned out be an actual support as of now), despite the fact that now india has shifted itself from the Russian laps to the American lap (remember the civil nuclear deal and other stuff etc etc).

As for your concern over my initial stance regarding only the US' involvement in Balochistan, i deliberately omitted the Russian hand because i was unable to gather 'enough', the so dear to you, evidence.

Thanks to Mr Malik, now i'll continue again!
 
Indian involvement in afghan issue - is hurting us back, since - the pakistani are getting skeptic about - the American approach of - this war, one side they want pakistani help other side they allwo india to be in - afghan , which will put pakistani border in jeopardy. And easy for india to - suuply help in balock region. a Bigger instability in pakistan - which only hurt us back too.
There is a common saying - If you plant a babool you dont expect bangoes out of it.
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Pakistan did some mistake in past - in influence of americans, And they are paying for it now
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Well its a known fact of - Indian involvement in Baluchistan, This so called - revolution ( terrorism in my defination ) will only hurt us back - in long run.
 
Editorial: Is it India or is it Taliban?

Mr Nawaz Sharif said Thursday that India and Pakistan need to normalise relations in order to resolve the current crises in the region. This contrasted with the statement by the new Jama’at-e Islami chief, Syed Munawar Hasan, that Pakistan must sever relations with India because the latter is allegedly involved in the insurrection in Balochistan. There is a third-party comment from the US Secretary of State, Ms Hilary Clinton, about the “good news” that Pakistan is withdrawing some troops from the border with India and making them confront the terrorists in the tribal areas. This is in consonance with Mr Sharif’s wisdom.

Mr Sharif actually thought of normalisation of relations with India in the context of Kashmir. But even that suffices as long as it is the normalisation pledged by him in the Charter of Democracy of 2006. However, a number of other politically less powerful but influential men — because of their media profile — are recommending confrontation with India. They also want confrontation with the US because both, they vow, are involved in fomenting terrorism in Pakistan. One stands accused of destabilising Pakistan and wanting to undo it; the other is accused of wanting to cause a state breakdown to facilitate the taking away of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons. From Gen Aslam Beg to Gen Hamid Nawaz, retired generals are tracing all kinds of Taliban-owned terrorist attacks to India.

Even if we accept that India is fishing in the tribal areas, then too it does ot take away from the Taliban threat. Major-General Athar Abbas, Director-General ISPR, talking to The Friday Times this week, said: “Whatever one says, it cannot be denied that we face a conventional threat on the eastern border that we cannot ignore. There is a history of conflict with India, and there are several outstanding issues. For example, the water issue is emerging as a serious problem between the two countries. Also consider that the Pakistan-specific conventional capabilities of India are being expanded; and there was a 35 percent increase in the budget for this capability. Can any nation lower its guard against such a threat?”


But the point about the Taliban threat is not to reduce the threat perception from India but to realise that the internal security dimension offers an immediate and existential threat. What is more important to consider is the fact that Pakistan may be defeated from the inside before it is able to confront India effectively on the borders. This is what everyone in Pakistan and outside it is now saying and so far the state has not shown the will to fight the internal threat. The world is prepared to help with military and non-military funds and providing training to our security forces to fight the terrorists and win this war.

India will not talk just now as it is in the throes of general elections. Both the big parties are casting their net for votes by exploiting the anger aroused among the masses against Pakistan after the Mumbai attacks. The government in New Delhi can’t take the risk of being seen fraternising with Pakistan, but some communication can be established through the secondary channels to enable Pakistan to safely disengage from the eastern border and save its citizens from being slaughtered behind its back. Unless the army gets to enjoy an upper hand vis-à-vis the Taliban soon, it runs the risk of losing internal cohesiveness.

The Balochistan issue with India can be negotiated because the Baloch sub-nationalists are demanding constitutional rights and that issue in any case needs to be tackled within the larger framework of the federation. India is definitely making trouble there but it won’t be able to get a corresponding response from the Baloch if the Baloch grievances can be addressed.

Meanwhile, it is not advisable to include Russia in the terrorist equation, as Security Adviser Mr Rehman Malik did on Thursday, because even in the 1970s the Russians did not train the Baloch insurgents, Indeed, Russia has stayed away from our mess since 1991. What is the logic of inflating the threat simply in order to explain why Pakistan is not engaging the Taliban
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India feasts on volatile situation in Balochistan

Khalid Khokhar

While the US media has frequently reported on alleged Pakistani ties to Jehadi elements launching attacks in Afghanistan, it has less often mentioned that India supports insurgent forces attacking Pakistan. RAND scholar Christine Fair, a leading American expert on South Asia disclosed in a discussion carried by ‘American journal Foreign Affairs’ that Pakistan has legitimate concerns about India’s involvement in fanning unrest in Balochistan. She further contended that “Having visited the Indian mission in Zahedan, Iran, I can assure you they are not issuing visas as the main activity. Moreover, India has run operations from its mission in Mazar (through which it supported the Northern Alliance) and is likely doing so from the other consulates it has reopened in Jalalabad and Kandahar along the border”.

Pakistan is facing turmoil in Balochistan because of the Indian meddling in Pakistan’s affairs leading to the dismemberment of Pakistan. There is a credible evidence about the complicity of few angry tribal chieftains with India and Afghanistan in fomenting trouble in Balochistan. The statement of Brahamdagh Bugti, grandson of late Akbar Bugti, was very alarming when he revealed that he would accept any “moral help and material support” from India to defend Balochistan from Islamabad’s designs of capturing the riches of Balochistan. There is strong evidence of Indian support in planning, commissioning and preparing acts of terrorism in Balochistan through setting up of 26 centres of terrorism (consulates) along the western border in Afghanistan. Reliable sources have revealed that explosives were brought in by Indian Border Roads Organisation (BRO) under the garb of “reconstruction and rehabilitation efforts” in Afghanistan through Iran to be used for sabotage acts against Balochistan.

The massive growth of development in Balochistan has become sore in the eyes of Indian strategists who want to extent their zone of influence vis-à-vis enormous natural wealth in the CARs. Amongst others, India is fanning unrest on the following reasons: (1) Operationalization of Gwadar port has empowered Pakistan to control strategically important energy sea-lane on the Persian Gulf. (2) Gwadar deep Seaport has enabled Pakistan to have a strategic depth southwest from its naval base in Karachi that has long been vulnerable to blockade by the Indian Navy. (3) Increased Chinese presence in the region. In order to thwart Pakistan from becoming hub of the economic activity, India is doing psychological operations by creating dissidence and disaffection within the ranks of Baloch people by:

(1) Widening the gulf between Punjabis and Balochis on the Gwadar Port by making it believe that the developmental projects are aimed at turning the Balochs into a minority (2) Cultivating in the minds of the Baloch nationalists that China intends to occupy their natural resources. (3) Widely publicizing incidents of Human rights violation in Balochistan by highlighting the so-called miseries of Balochis, like disappearances, political victimization, displacement due to clean-up operations, etc. (4) Generating suspicions in ethnic Balochis that Islamabad wants to possess the riches of Balochistan.

Adviser to the Prime Minister on Interior, Rehman Malik disclosed that some 200 Baloch youths who were allegedly disappeared in Balochistan, have been traced. Most of these persons had crossed border and were being trained by the India RAW operatives in Afghanistan. Therefore, analysts and experts are unable to rule out the possibility of Indian involvement in the killing of three Baloch nationalist leaders that triggered widespread on-going riots in Balochistan. This could serve multiple anti-Pakistan objectives. (1) Accusing state’s security apparatus behind the killings and proving guilty in the eyes of Baloch people with an aim to destabilize Pakistan. (2) Creating insurgency-like situation in the whole province. (3) Paving ideal grounds for a possible drone attack inside Balochistan. (4) Thwarting the possibility of reconciliation efforts between the PPP-led Government and the angry nationalist leaders, by killing the nationalist (Ghulam Muhammad Baloch) that won the credit of playing a major role in the release of John Solecki, chief of the UN Human Rights Commission in Balochistan. The Federal Government needs to provide solid evidence to prove their innocence in the triple murder. For this to happen, the killers will have to be produced. The reconciliation efforts should not be high-jacked by any particular incident. The constitution of a high-powered investigation committee to probe the killing of three Baloch leaders coupled with the announcement of Rs. 2.5 million for any information leading to the arrest of the culprits by Adviser to the Prime Minister on Interior, Rehman Malik, is a step in the right direction.

It is true that past governments were responsible for the present situation in Balochistan and India is just exploiting the bad situation. The greatest sin of our rulers has been that they have never tried to better the economic and political conditions in Balochistan despite repeated promises from them since the creation of Pakistan. Balochistan remains the most neglected province and 88 per cent of its population lives in subhuman conditions. It is important to remove the mistrust between the Baloch and the Federation by adopting Confidence Building Measures coupled with cessation of all violent activities from both sides. After creating a positive environment, the negotiation on actual demands for Baloch rights should begin. However, there is a need to identify the Baloch representatives who can influence the outcome of any negotiation. Equally important is the identification of Indian designs of targeting development activities in Balochistan.


Pakistan Observer - Newspaper online edition - Article
 
^ Who would trust Holbrooke? Is he from the region? Its obvious he just wants to use Pakistan for U.S. interst and doesn't care what happens to Pakistan.
 
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