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Pakistan accuses India and Afghanistan of meddling in Baluchistan.

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Same stuff.

A chance in front of the press to name these locations for baluch training camps within Afghanistan or show the photographs-nope.

Stingers? Seriously? From who? Remember the HAMAS IFF story? You flying HIPs, HINDs, or HAVOC? If so, don't.:D

Speculating this is all true- would you like it to stop? So would Afghanistan. Remember them? They think that a Pakistani or two with weapons crosses your borders now and again into their nation. So do forty other nations in Afghanistan.

How about Afghanistan and you exchange the addresses of these locations and you can take these camps out for each other.

Fair?:agree:
 
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Same stuff.

A chance in front of the press to name these locations for baluch training camps within Afghanistan or show the photographs-nope.

Stingers? Seriously? From who? Remember the HAMAS IFF story? You flying HIPs, HINDs, or HAVOC? If so, don't.:D

Speculating this is all true- would you like it to stop? So would Afghanistan. Remember them? They think that a Pakistani or two with weapons crosses your borders now and again into their nation. So do forty other nations in Afghanistan.

How about Afghanistan and you exchange the addresses of these locations and you can take these camps out for each other.

Fair?:agree:

how about you guys stop playing the dubious game and the drug trafficking that is going on right under the watchful eyes of the US and NATO, how about stopping that for a change or how about telling your Indian pals to back off a bit or how about telling Karzai what is Bugti doing in his palace. How about it?
 
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There's little I will say at this point except refer you to UNODC.

Afghanistan has 34 provinces. Can you count? If so, then know that five-one, two, three, four, five- Helmand, Farah, Kandahar, Oruzgan, and Nimroz grow 148,000 of 157,000 hectares last year.

Tracking?

Three of those five, specifically Nimroz, Kandahar and Helmand are backed up to your Baluchi border. Within those three 123,000 hectares of opium were cultivated. Oruzgan is just north of Kandahar and Farah is just north of Nimroz.

The problem is greatest where the pashtu and taliban are greatest. Does this correlate? I hope so. Draw your own conclusions from there but I anxiously await INTERPOL's traffiking data to determine how much of that dope is passing into Pakistan.

A.M. says not much. I say a lot-more than since this war began. So we'll see but I know that if you were tangibly interested in what's been done you could answer the question easily to see the gains made to date everywhere in Afghanistan except the pashtu south.
 
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India is disgusting!

Funding Tibetan terrorists against China and Baloch terrorists against Pakistan.
you forgot temils in sirilanka, but on the other hand china funds communist terrorists groups in india and pakistan has been supporting Kashmir cause. one must admit while pakistan has failed to achieve its goal in the last 60 years, India is doing very well with causing problems in both north and in Baluchistan.

ofc pakistan had known this for years, but GoP finally got balls to say it.
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India Rubbishes Pakistan's allegations on Baluchistan

New Delhi, Apr 23 (PTI) India today rubbished Pakistan's allegations that it was backing the separatist outfit Baloch Liberation Army (BLA) for fuelling unrest in Balochistan.
"These are entirely baseless allegations and we see no reason to dignify them with a response," External Affairs Ministry spokesman Vishnu Prakash said while commenting on allegations by Pakistan Interior Ministry chief Rehman Malik that India is supporting BLA.

Malik claimed in the Senate yesterday that "The BLA was raised with funding from the Soviet Union (during the Soviet-Afghan war) and it is now backed by India." BLA, a nationalist outfit, is engaged in a movement for separation from Pakistan. It accuses Pakistan of depriving the locals of the energy-rich region of the benefits of resources.

The BLA remained dormant after the Soviet-Afghan war but was reactivated after the killing of Baloch national leader Nawab Akbar Bugti, Malik said.

Nawab Bugti, an old man, was killed in a bombing attack by Pakistan army about two years back.

Malik claimed that Bugti's grandson Brahamdagh Bugti has sought Indian and US support for independence of Balochistan. PTI






http://www.ptinews.com/pti%5Cptisite.nsf/0/EBD98617782B101B652575A100540491?OpenDocument
 
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Rehman Malik presents proof of Indian hand in unrest

Rehman Malik has given evidence of Indian. Afghan and Russian involvement in terrorist activities to a close -door Senate session.—AP/File


ISLAMABAD: At a closed-door Senate session on Thursday, Interior Adviser Rehman Malik presented a bleak picture of the security situation in the country and showed what he called evidence of the involvement of India, Afghanistan and Russia in terrorist activities.

It is the first time Pakistan has blamed these countries and cited evidences which, it is believed, will be shared with the international community, particularly the United States, which has expressed concern over growing militancy in the country.

Following a harsh statement by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, US special envoy Richard Holbrooke telephoned President Asif Ali Zardari on Thursday and conveyed a similar message.

During the Senate briefing, the adviser said that all major incidents of terrorism and suicide attacks were linked to India and Afghanistan, adding that terrorists were being trained by them in those countries and in North Waziristan and being sent to the settled areas.

Mr Malik said the government was pursuing a policy of ending the sufferings of the people of Balochistan and taking measures to bring them back to mainstream.

He told the house that some hostile agencies were involved in creating unrest in the province. The government, he said, had been working to address the grievances of the Baloch people.

He said all political prisoners in the province had been released and cases against Hyarbyar Marri had been withdrawn to create a congenial atmosphere. ‘All the 36 checkposts of FC have been removed and it has been directed to work under the provincial administration and in coordination with police,’ he said.

He said President Zardari had visited Quetta, assured the Baloch leadership that the problems would be solved and announced a development package of more than Rs46 billion for the province, particularly for health and education.

He said displaced persons would be rehabilitated. Mr Malik said the government was planning to prepare the NFC award taking backwardness of provinces into consideration.

After the briefing, some senators told Dawn that Mr Malik had shown some video clips and documentary evidences about involvement of India and Afghanistan in incidents of terrorism in Pakistan.

Conspiracies are being hatched to destabilise and isolate Pakistan. A militant organisation, the Balochistan Liberation Army, was formed which is being funded by Russia and backed by India. The organisation is headed by Brahamdagh Bugti who is stationed in the Afghan capital. About 1,000 students were trained in Russia and now they are back in Balochistan, a senator quoted Mr Malik as saying.

‘He first gave briefing on the Federally Administered Tribal Areas and Swat and then on the Balochistan situation,’ Senator Talha Mehmood said.

SWAT ACCORD
Talking to reporters outside the Parliament House, Mr Malik said the government would have no option but to take action against the Taliban if they violated the Swat peace deal and did not lay down their weapons as promised by chief of Tehrik-i-Nifaz-i-Shariati-i-Mohammadi Maulana Sufi Mohammad.

When it was pointed out that the Taliban had advanced to Buner and other districts of Malakand, the adviser said the situation was not serious because they had advanced only to some pockets in these areas and then returned to Swat.

If the Taliban continued such activities, the government would have no option but to take stern action against them, Mr Malik said.

Meanwhile, senators from Balochistan expressed dissatisfaction over the in-camera briefing. ‘It was an incomplete and ill-drafted briefing,’ said Hasil Bizenjo of the National Party. He agreed with the adviser that foreign hands were involved in sabotaging peace, but said: ‘If the government has evidence about the involvement of Afghan President Hamid Karzai in terrorism in Pakistan, then why has he not been questioned about it.’
 
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Ok you might have proof now...question is what are you going to do about it? Are you capable at the moment of taking on Russia, India and Afghanistan?

Stop fondling your package and do something or stop crying wolf, people are starting to prefer anarchy.
 
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It's not surprising that Pakistan has accused India of involvement with the BLA. These accusations have been around for a long time, but no concrete proof has been revealed so far.

But a new factor that has come up is Pakistani allegations against Russia. Rehman Malik alleges that BLA cadres are being trained in Russia.

What impact will this have on the Geopolitics of Af & Pak? What is Russia's role, and how does Russia coordinate its activities with US, NATO, Iran, India ?

This should be viewed together with the thread http://www.defence.pk/forums/war-terror/25515-anti-pakistan-conspiracy-foiled.html, about a supposed Western conspiracy to detach Balochistan and NWFP from Pakistan.

Is it true that the stars are aligning against Pakistan, or is it paranoia?

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Russia, India supporting BLA, Malik tells Senate


Thursday, April 23, 2009
Says govt ready to accept all Baloch demands except independence

By Mumtaz Alvi

ISLAMABAD: The government on Wednesday startled the Senate by saying that Russia and India were supporting the Balochistan Liberation Army (BLA) in its secession bid, saying the same outfit had kidnapped UNHCR official John Solecki.

Making a policy statement while winding up the five-day debate that in fact continued for three days, excluding Saturday and Sunday, on the killing of there Baloch leaders and the deteriorating law and order in Balochistan, Adviser to Prime Minister on Interior Rehman Malik claimed they had proof of foreign involvement in the province.

Rehman Malik, later talking to media persons outside the Parliament House, called on India to stop its interference in Balochistan, dubbing it an open enemy of Pakistan. He noted that the proposal of reviving the ‘Sardari system’ in the province was being considered. He added the FC had been put under the chief minister and all the 36 FC checkposts had been removed.

The adviser made a revelation that the BLA chief Brahamdagh Khan Bugti lived close to Afghan President Hamid Karzai’s presidential palace in Kabul and enjoyed local support. He added thousands of Baloch students had got training in Russia and were present in Balochistan.

Rehman Malik pointed out that 4,000 to 5,000 Baloch people had got training in several centres there and added he would share more details with the legislators during the in-camera proceedings of the House, slated for Thursday at 12:30 pm.

His speech was interrupted several times by Mahabat Khan Marri, Dr Abdul Malik and Mir Hasil Bazenjo, who rejected some of his contentions, particularly about the alleged terrorist role of Sher Muhammad Baloch’, who was one of the three Baloch leaders recently murdered and their mutilated bodies found afterwards. At one stage, they staged a token walkout against the advisor’s remarks.

Malik noted that the BLA had kidnapped Solecki in order to highlight what he called their totally unjustified and uncalled for demand of freedom from Pakistan. He said he had the transcription and contact numbers, while intercepting calls during which the BLA chief was asking his people in the province about ‘the red goat’ - a code name for Solecki - and asking for his shifting to some other location, as the government had got clue of the place, where he was being kept.

“Solecki was abducted two days before UN Secretary General’s Pakistan visit to project BLA’s bid for freedom. On the basis of evidence, I met Karzai and sought his help for the repatriation of Brahamdagh or stopping him from what he was doing back in Pakistan, but he expressed his government’s ignorance about his presence there,” the adviser said.

The adviser said he also asked Karzai to stop the misuse of Afghan soil against Pakistan, as daily 45,000-50,000 people cross over to Pakistan from Bajaur, Chaman and Torkham. This was in addition to the hostile foreign agencies active against Pakistan, he added.

Then, Rehman said the government apprised the UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon of the situation and sought his assistance. Then Ban talked to Karzai and this led to the freeing of Solecki.

About the BLA, he pointed out it was raised and funded by the then USSR and supported by India, then it went dormant and got active following the martyrdom of ex-governor Nawab Akbar Bugti. He added the BLA and some other outfits enjoyed foreign support.

The adviser noted that the BLA chief had recently himself in an interview to a local channel, conceded they were being supported by India and that he had sought UN and some other countries backing also.

Out rightly rejecting the BLA demand, Rehman made it clear that the government was ready to accept all the demands of people of Balochistan, barring independence, which did not enjoy the majority support. He talked of conspiracy of destabilising Balochistan, the NWFP and Northern Areas.

The adviser, who became a senator in March, said under a well-conceived ploy, the three Baloch leaders were murdered and then systematically 14 settlers were killed in the ensuing violence.

He questioned how those who resorted to the killings of innocent settlers managed to possess and then use hand grenades, Kalashnikovs and missiles, whereas the people of the province were peaceful and normal. But the real conspiracy was to breakdown law and order there.

He claimed that after the inception of a new government last year, no military operation in any part of Balochistan was under way. After the series of measures and steps the government had taken, the situation in the province was improving and in this connection, President Asif Ali Zardari and Prime Minister Syed Yusuf Raza Gilani had played a very crucial role.

He proposed formation of a senators’ committee, which would oversee working of the investigations, being carried on with reference to the murder of three Baloch leaders.

Rehman noted that Iran, through a letter, had sought repatriation of Sher Muhammad for his indulgence in terrorist activities there. Sher, he said was an Iranian citizen of Chabahar, who later got Pakistani citizenship.

This led to massive agitation from some senators from Balochistan, forcing the adviser to leave the topic and offering to give an in-camera briefing. However, he said it was time to act together and make a distinction between what was insurgency and what were Balochistan’s genuine problems.

About many senators’ allegations that local spy agencies were involved in Balochistan problems, he said the government was prepared to look into it, if any one had credible evidence. He ruled out the possibility of the agencies’ role in the murder of Baloch leaders.Later, Dr Abdul Malik contended that the problems of Balochistan should not be linked to India and Russia.

Lashkari Raisani of PPP said though he belonged to the government side, but would like to say that the agencies also tend to sometime mislead the government on certain matters. He said it were the personnel of agencies, which looted his home and later set it on fire during ex-president Pervez Musharraf’s rule.

On a point of order by Mushahidullah Khan, Rehman Malik regretted that India had talked of the possibility of Taliban attack during the Indian elections, but did not respond to Pakistan’s offer of a joint effort to tackle the issue.

He complained that India had also failed to respond to 32 questions, Pakistan had forwarded to it regarding the Mumbai attacks. So much, so, the DNA results of both Kasab and Sohail were identical, which could be a possibility only if they were twins.



PPI adds: Rehman Malik said that besides the political forces representing the province in the Parliament, the government is also in contact with those who have no representation in the Parliament to seek their input in resolving the present situation.

He said the government is considering NFC award keeping in view the backwardness and area of the provinces besides the population. Rehman Malik regretted that the Afghan government did not facilitate him to have a meeting with Baloch leader Barhamdakh Bugti, who is a grandson of Nawab Akbar Bugti so that their grievances are taken care of.

Reuters adds: Rehman Malik accused Afghanistan and India of supporting ethnic Baloch separatists fighting in the resource-rich province of Balochistan.

Pakistan has in the past accused old rival India of meddling in Balochistan but Wednesday’s comments were the most explicit for years and come after a deterioration in ties over a militant attack in Mumbai.
 
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First the American was evil, the Israeli, well, those poor people, well, sure! and the then Hindoo, well of course -- and then the Afghan, well, of course and now the latest and the greatest, Russia?

Is there any country out there not conspiring against Pakistan?


Not a word about the internal politics and kinds of social and intellectual movements that create extremists? Well, No, of course not. Can't even appeal to God, He belongs to a different political party?
 
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First the American was evil, the Israeli, well, those poor people, well, sure! and the then Hindoo, well of course -- and then the Afghan, well, of course and now the latest and the greatest, Russia?

Is there any country out there not conspiring against Pakistan?


Not a word about the internal politics and kinds of social and intellectual movements that create extremists? Well, No, of course not. Can't even appeal to God, he belongs to a diferent political party

Theres evidence. Please check this thread:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/strate...an-afghan-russian-involvement.html#post360340
 
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Omar


There is accusation, but you say there is evidence, but of course the article presents none.

You say there is - go ahead, present it here, bust all Pakistan's enemies
 
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^ A government official has said he has evidence. If you read the articlle from that thread he said he will present the evidence to the international community. I'm not working for the government so how can I give you evidence.
 
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Fair enough, I guess we'll wait, I'm sure we will all be impressed
 
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