Pak visit for specific, narrow purpose: US Dy Secy of State

[The Terminator]

Yet, Pak has got Taliban in power in Afganistan!! Quite strange….

As for India, she has got bogged down despite all the Satanic cunningness of the world…..

Afghanistan's internal situation has more to do as far as return of Taliban regime is concerned and I highly doubt if Pakistan had any major role in bringing Taliban back into power there now. But even then it's a relief for Pakistan and far more better than previous hostile Govts under US and Indian influence.

But even then India has kept its pace in defaming Pakistan globally and how recently New Zealand and England teamed up with India to defame Pakistan and declaring our homeland as insecure for foreign sports tours and Pakistan is now back to square one in redeeming itself as a recognized international venue for sports and tourism.

Sports, tourism and FDIs are closely linked together and they play a vital role in projecting soft image of that state globally. Don't underestimate it as merely just an isolated sports event.

And till now we are unable to retaliate back in the context news, electronic and social media warfare. India's ever-growing influence in western tech world and social media platforms is really a big challenge to Pakistan.

A couple of years earlier Turkey, Malaysia and Qatar offered us a helping hand in that context to develop a joint venture on media and news. All of those brotherly countries already possess a massive soft power and global media reach as compared to Pakistan. But unfortunately we didn't have a spine to stand for our righteous national interests back then and chickened out at last hour under the pressure of MBS.

And what good Pakistan has gotten from MBS monarch since then? Nothing.

To further add insult to the injury, Now MBS himself has normalized relations with both the Turkey and Qatar through western mediators and at the end Pakistan is left high and dry Labelled as untrustworthy friend among our true allies. We ourselves ruined our reputation there. And it's nothing new to the Pakistan's foreign relations. We have developed the habit to do so

 

[Dalit]

Afghanistan's internal situation has more to do as far as return of Taliban regime is concerned and I highly doubt if Pakistan had any major role in bringing Taliban back into power there now. But even then it's a relief for Pakistan and far more better than previous hostile Govts under US and Indian influence.

But even then India has kept its pace in defaming Pakistan globally and how recently New Zealand and England teamed up with India to defame Pakistan and declaring our homeland as insecure for foreign sports tours and Pakistan is now back to square one in redeeming itself as a recognized international venue for sports and tourism.

Sports, tourism and FDIs are closely linked together and they play a vital role in projecting soft image of that state globally. Don't underestimate it as merely just an isolated sports event.

And till now we are unable to retaliate back in the context news, electronic and social media warfare. India's ever-growing influence in western tech world and social media platforms is really a big challenge to Pakistan.

A couple of years earlier Turkey, Malaysia and Qatar offered us a helping hand in that context to develop a joint venture on media and news. All of those brotherly countries already possess a massive soft power and global media reach as compared to Pakistan. But unfortunately we didn't have a spine to stand for our righteous national interests back then and chickened out at last hour under the pressure of MBS.

And what good Pakistan has gotten from MBS monarch since then? Nothing.

To further add insult to the injury, Now MBS himself has normalized relations with both the Turkey and Qatar through western mediators and at the end Pakistan is left high and dry Labelled as untrustworthy friend among our true allies. We ourselves ruined our reputation there. And it's nothing new to the Pakistan's foreign relations. We have developed the habit to do so

All of your rants mean nothing. In the end Pakistan pushed Indian terror away from Afghan land. Security is more important than anything else you have mentioned. Just wait and see how China invests in Afghanistan to reach Central Asian States. This is only a matter of time now.

LOL at cricket. Who gives a shit about NZ and England abandoning their tour LOL We won in Afghanistan. No amount of cricket series or Indian sobbing on social media can beat that. Economy is paramount. Regional connectivity is of utmost importance. Security is all that matters. As long as Pakistan can guarantee regional connectivity and trade through Afghanistan nothing else really matters.

India was always going to be the favorite anti-China lackey of the West. That is hardly an achievement for India. Of course with being an anti-China puppet come certain rewards and privileges. India is set to lose regionally though. This is where Pakistan will gain.

 

[The Terminator]

America is done in Pakistan. It is game over bud.

The best thing for the US is to cosy up with India. Pakistan will work with regional countries.

US losses the Afghan battlefield. There isn't any doubt it that Its global influence is currently on the decline especially in Asia and Africa. But still its the largest economic and military power of the world, US dollar is still the standard global currency benchmark.

No one can withstand the Sanctions of the US along with its EU allies, Not even Russia, Not even China. And don't forget all our so called bradr islami rich Arab states are still not more than US client states.

So a weak country as Pakistan still can't act like US is done in Pakistan, its game over. We still need to have great relations with them minus the security/defense agreements and US isn't even interested in us other than getting military passage over Pakistan and containing China in its tracks through slamming us against the Great wall of China. That's the grave tragedy we have to deal with somehow.

An ant trapped between two behemoths fighting each other. Yes we can easily be trampled by them in this scenario. It's really risky but a great clever finesse diplomatic tactic can bear unimaginable fruits for us too. Our leadership has to prove are they really capable enough to do that or not.

 

[Dalit]

US losses the Afghan battlefield. There isn't any doubt it that Its global influence is currently on the decline especially in Asia and Africa. But still its the largest economic and military power of the world, US dollar is still the standard global currency benchmark.

No one can withstand the Sanctions of the US along with its EU allies, Not even Russia, Not even China. And don't forget all our so called bradr islami rich Arab states are still not more than US client states.

So a weak country as Pakistan still can't act like US is done in Pakistan, its game over. We still need to have great relations with them minus the security/defense agreements and US isn't even interested in us other than getting military passage over Pakistan and containing China in its tracks through slamming us against the Great wall of China. That's the grave tragedy we have to deal with somehow.

An ant trapped between two behemoths fighting each other. Yes we can easily be trampled by them in this scenario. It's really risky but a great clever finesse diplomatic tactic can bear unimaginable fruits for us too. Our leadership has to prove are they really capable enough to do that or not.

The US is a dying dinosaur. Scared of a rising China and resurgent Russia. Abandoned and backstabbed its traditional Western allies in Afghanistan and elsewhere. American allies are today placing question marks. The Americans are finding out that they are vulnerable. Trump wasn't elected by chance. He was elected because the Americans themselves sought change. Doesn't that tell us something? Economically it isn't all dandy neither. The US has accumulated incredible debt despite economic power. The US has lost a lot of credibility and leverage on many levels.

According to the Americans we gave them a bloody nose in Afghanistan. ISI alone was enough to defeat US/NATO/India nexus. These aren't mine accusations. I wouldn't underestimate Pakistan if I were you.

China is a today the second largest economy in the world. There is a reason why the Americans are paranoid about China's rise. LOL the Americans who love to hate Islam and Muslims have now abandoned their holy crusade and are focusing on China containment. That rather seems more like a superpower getting distracted by multiple challanges it cannot face at once.

Who cares about Arab lackeys. Don't even mention them. They have always worshipped the Americans. They are not worthy of mention.

The Americans are done in Pakistan. They can play their blame games as we secure the Afghan border and extend CPEC into Afghanistan. Wendy came and left unnoticed. That should be enough for you to know. Pakistan is making all efforts to detach itself from US economic blackmail. Regional trade and connectivity is going to play a major role in this regard. We know why US officials plead to Pakistan to end cooperation with China. This is not a secret anymore.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

According to the Americans we gave them a bloody nose in Afghanistan. ISI alone was enough to defeat US/NATO/India nexus. These aren't mine accusations. I wouldn't underestimate Pakistan if I were you.

China is a today the second largest economy in the world. There is a reason why the Americans are paranoid about China's rise. LOL the Americans who love to hate Islam and Muslims have now abandoned their holy crusade and are focusing on China containment. That rather seems more like a superpower getting distracted by multiple challanges it cannot face at once.

Who cares about Arab lackeys. Don't even mention them. They have always worshipped the Americans. They are not worthy of mention.

The Americans are done in Pakistan. They can play their blame games as we secure the Afghan border and extend CPEC into Afghanistan. Wendy came and left unnoticed. That should be enough for you to know.

Also, as China becomes the undisputed global hyper power in the coming years and decades, with our increasing relations with China, Pakistan's dealings with america will become more and more negligible especially since america's global power and influence decreases.

 

[The Terminator]

All of your rants mean nothing. In the end Pakistan pushed Indian terror away from Afghan land. Security is more important than anything else you have mentioned. Just wait and see how China invests in Afghanistan to reach Central Asian States. This is only a matter of time now.

LOL at cricket. Who gives a shit about NZ and England abandoning their tour LOL We won in Afghanistan. No amount of cricket series or Indian sobbing on social media can beat that. Economy is paramount. Regional connectivity is of utmost importance. Security is all that matters. As long as Pakistan can guarantee regional connectivity and trade through Afghanistan nothing else really matters.

India was always going to be the favorite anti-China lackey of the West. That is hardly an achievement for India. Of course with being an anti-China puppet come certain rewards. India is set to lose regionally though. This is where Pakistan will gain.

All of your rants are just dust in the wind too Without any concrete foundations. The careless path you suggested would eventually lead to isolation of Pakistan just like Somalia, North Korea, Afghanistan or Iran. We don't have unlimited oil and gas resources like Iran to even sustain like them. Strong domestic economic structure along with highly integrated economy at global scale is the only ticket to the sovereignty and strong nation. As a famous qoute is, An army marches on its stomach.


Mighty Soviet Union was behemoth of a military force at peak of its time, gulping land masses like nothing. But eventually they were worn down economically so much that they couldn't feed their own people and sustain their borders. Just give me a single reason why China still stands strong against US and its allies hegemony. Why can't China be ditched onto the same ditch as Soviet union? If you still fail to comprehend then I can tell you:

Highly competitive and globally integrated Chinese economy. Can't be straightforward embargoed.

 

[Dalit]

All of your rants are just dust in the wind too Without any concrete foundations. The careless path you suggested would eventually lead to isolation of Pakistan just like Somalia, North Korea, Afghanistan or Iran. We don't have unlimited oil and gas resources like Iran to even sustain like them. Strong domestic economic structure along with highly integrated economy at global scale is the only ticket to the sovereignty and strong nation. As a famous qoute is, An army marches on its stomach.


Mighty Soviet Union was behemoth of a military force at peak of its time, gulping land masses like nothing. But eventually they were worn down economically so much that they couldn't feed their own people and sustain their borders. Just give me a single reason why China still stands strong against US and its allies hegemony. Why can't China be ditched onto the same ditch as Soviet union? If you still fail to comprehend then I can tell you:

Highly competitive and globally integrated Chinese economy. Can't be straightforward embargoed.

LOL blah blah blah. Pakistan has already done the unthinkable ages ago. Where was your isolation when Pakistan became a nuclear power? Where is your isolation threat when Pakistan continues to ignore US pleas to end China cooperation? According to US accusations Pakistan single-handedly defeated their cause in Afghanistan. Where is the isolation? Hasn't Pakistan already angered America enough to take action?

As far as we are concerned the Americans are just loud mouth cowboys. Always bragging about being great, but in reality the Americans are insecure. A nation that has shown its true face in the past decade to the entire world. After electing Trump everything has been laid bare. We don't need any lectures from US cronies.

Pakistan is an independent nation and it will chart its own path to success without US meddling. The USA will have to deal with this like a grown-up superpower it claims to be.

 

[The Terminator]

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Also, as China becomes the undisputed global hyper power in the coming years and decades, with our increasing relations with China, Pakistan's dealings with america will become more and more negligible especially since america's global power and influence decreases.

The US is a dying dinosaur. Scared of a rising China and resurgent Russia. Abandoned and backstabbed its traditional Western allies in Afghanistan and elsewhere. American allies are today placing question marks. The Americans are finding out that they are vulnerable. Trump wasn't elected by chance. He was elected because the Americans themselves sought change. Doesn't that tell us something? Economically it isn't all dandy neither. The US has accumulated incredible debt despite economic power. The US has lost a lot of credibility and leverage on many levels.

According to the Americans we gave them a bloody nose in Afghanistan. ISI alone was enough to defeat US/NATO/India nexus. These aren't mine accusations. I wouldn't underestimate Pakistan if I were you.

China is a today the second largest economy in the world. There is a reason why the Americans are paranoid about China's rise. LOL the Americans who love to hate Islam and Muslims have now abandoned their holy crusade and are focusing on China containment. That rather seems more like a superpower getting distracted by multiple challanges it cannot face at once.

Who cares about Arab lackeys. Don't even mention them. They have always worshipped the Americans. They are not worthy of mention.

The Americans are done in Pakistan. They can play their blame games as we secure the Afghan border and extend CPEC into Afghanistan. Wendy came and left unnoticed. That should be enough for you to know. Pakistan is making all efforts to detach itself from US economic blackmail. Regional trade and connectivity is going to play a major role in this regard. We know why US officials plead to Pakistan to end cooperation with China. This is not a secret anymore.

Strategically it sounds great. But we need US, EU and Arabs much more in economic and trade perspective than damn Chinese. Chinese are relentless when it comes to market competitiveness they would eat our trade competitiveness alive. Our beloved textiles exports have to compete with Chinese, Indian and Bangladeshi exports. For example, Chinese leather jackets are sold 4 to 5 times cheaper than our own produced one in our local markets.

We need those yankies, their colonial cousins and Arab goons to make profitable trade deals and our exports production afloat. Hundreds of thousands of Pakistanis find their jobs on those countries too which in turn send remittances-the single biggest source of foreign exchange into the Pakistan. China isn't exactly a great spot to export your human resource in search of employment but it's exactly the opposite in case of China. Maximum number of Chinese are employed abroad under their BRI (CPEC) project. All are not bed and roses when it comes to just relationship with China alone. Eventually you would have to balance it out somehow.

 

[Dalit]

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Strategically it sounds great. But we need US, EU and Arabs much more in economic and trade perspective than damn Chinese. Chinese are relentless when it comes to market competitiveness they would eat our trade competitiveness alive. Our beloved textiles exports have to compete with Chinese, Indian and Bangladeshi exports. For example, Chinese leather jackets are sold 4 to 5 times cheaper than our own produced one in our local markets.

We need those yankies, their colonial cousins and Arab goons to make profitable trade deals and our exports production afloat. Hundreds of thousands of Pakistanis find their jobs on those countries too which in turn send remittances-the single biggest source of foreign exchange into the Pakistan. China isn't exactly a great spot to export your human resource in search of employment but it's exactly the opposite in case of China. Maximum number of Chinese are employed abroad under their BRI (CPEC) project. All are not bed and roses when it comes to just relationship with China alone. Eventually you would have to balance it out somehow.

It ain't gonna happen. The Americans are in bed with India and follow their dictation. The Americans were in Afghanistan to empower India. The Americans speak as a lawyer on India's behalf. Every word the Americans utter is meant in favor of India. The US has no problem with undermining Pakistan in order to please India. That is just the bitter truth. Every action we have seen or heard thus far from the Americans clearly demonstrates this fact very vividly.

Pakistani leadership is under no illusion that the US wants to contain China and is using India for this purpose. India has no problem with acting like a police officer of the US.

Pakistan is a beneficiary of China's succes and rise. It would be foolish on anyone's part to think that Pakistan would hurt its own interests to appease the USA. The US has no other choice, but to accept that Pakistan will look after its own interests. If you don't believe me just have a good look at what happened in Afghanistan. Pakistan secured its interests at all cost.

 

[The Terminator]

It ain't gonna happen. The Americans are in bed with India and follow their dictation. The Americans were in Afghanistan to empower India. The Americans speak as a lawyer on India's behalf. Every word the Americans utter is meant in favor of India. The US has no problem with undermining Pakistan in order to please India. That is just the bitter truth. Every action we have seen or heard thus far from the Americans clearly demonstrates this fact very vividly.

Pakistani leadership is under no illusion that the US wants to contain China and is using India for this purpose. India has no problem with acting like a police officer of the US.

Pakistan is a beneficiary of China's succes and rise. It would be foolish on anyone's part to think that Pakistan would hurt its own interests to appease the USA. The US has no other choice, but to accept that Pakistan will look after its own interests. If you don't believe me just have a good look at what happened in Afghanistan. Pakistan secured its interests at all cost.

It doesn't matter at all. Would you plz come out of that tunnel vision and try to observe all that in broader prospective. As test case see how Turkey sustained and prosper as a EU associate and NATO member despite all the hatred of other member nations towards it. And still successfully continues to develop itself even stronger. Pakistan should damn care who is doing what in our neighborhood. Just entirely focus upon its national interest and for God's sake just for once keep national interest Supreme and above your own pathetic short term personal gains.

 

[The Terminator]

LOL blah blah blah. Pakistan has already done the unthinkable ages ago. Where was your isolation when Pakistan became a nuclear power? Where is your isolation threat when Pakistan continues to ignore US pleas to end China cooperation? According to US accusations Pakistan single-handedly defeated their cause in Afghanistan. Where is the isolation? Hasn't Pakistan already angered America enough to take action?

As far as we are concerned the Americans are just loud mouth cowboys. Always bragging about being great, but in reality the Americans are insecure. A nation that has shown its true face in the past decade to the entire world. After electing Trump everything has been laid bare. We don't need any lectures from US cronies.

Pakistan is an independent nation and it will chart its own path to success without US meddling. The USA will have to deal with this like a grown-up superpower it claims to be.

As of now, a global power like US has not to even shot a single bullet to crumble the Pakistan into dark ditches of poverty and hunger. A country drowned in debts can't be independent anyhow. We have served them well since the inception of Pakistan and would never dare to get against them in open conflict for the foreseeable future.

Don't overestimate yourself. Pakistan defeated this and that single handedly. Lol. Pakistan can't even feed and give health care and education to its population by its own.

US officials have the habit of always blaming others and over exaggerating the potential threats to maintain a steady supply of $$$ into its defense industrial complex. Maybe you have some sort of memory loss that you forgot that Pakistan gave them their own airbases to fly drones kill Pakistani people and their agents roaming all the major cities of Pakistan, killing anyone with complete impunity.

They demonize Pakistan so that in the longer run they may cut Pakistani CSF funding but still using Pakistan and perhaps in the future slap sanctions upon Pakistan based upon the same narrative they created.

Foreign sponsored local terrorists bombed the hell out of our country and plz don't tell me the fairytale strong and sovereign nation stories anymore. They successfully infiltrated SF training camp, air bases, and even GHQ in those attacks. What more you expect from them to happen? Hang all the senior civil/military leadership on D Chowk???

For God's sake have some sanity and reality check in your fanboyism. Indians keep ranting the same sh*t too and see what good it has done to them.

The least efficient way to destroy Pakistan is to defeat it militarily due to its oversized capable nuclear armed military. But there are many easier and non violent ways to bog down and potentially collapse Pakistan. Even Cow du*g eating enemies figured it out somehow but you can't. Pakistan isn't a superpower not even a regional one its just surviving and sustaining its own borders with ever dwindling economic resources to back it up. Decades of sanctioned Iran has similar military budget to ourselves. Thats a real shame and pity.

 

[Goritoes]

Is it like that narrow visit?

 

[khail007]

Transporting wheat as aid to US nowadays . Pakistan has been net importer of basic food items for many years. We cannot even feed our growing population with current Agricultural output and you are dreaming of giving aid to US who themselves sell their Agricultural products to the world. Come on get up from your sleep or are you day dreaming now!

I think you have some comprehension issues here and expressed your knee-jerk reaction. Are you aware of the history of Pakistan-US relations?
I am sure you are not else you should not have reacted in the way above.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

You can bet we care, a lot in fact. When she visits Pakistan, you will see just by the protocol given to her. Despite the fact that she is only the deputy Sec. of State.

Received by a Director? That protocol?

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

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Strategically it sounds great. But we need US, EU and Arabs much more in economic and trade perspective than damn Chinese. Chinese are relentless when it comes to market competitiveness they would eat our trade competitiveness alive. Our beloved textiles exports have to compete with Chinese, Indian and Bangladeshi exports. For example, Chinese leather jackets are sold 4 to 5 times cheaper than our own produced one in our local markets.

We need those yankies, their colonial cousins and Arab goons to make profitable trade deals and our exports production afloat. Hundreds of thousands of Pakistanis find their jobs on those countries too which in turn send remittances-the single biggest source of foreign exchange into the Pakistan. China isn't exactly a great spot to export your human resource in search of employment but it's exactly the opposite in case of China. Maximum number of Chinese are employed abroad under their BRI (CPEC) project. All are not bed and roses when it comes to just relationship with China alone. Eventually you would have to balance it out somehow.

A lot of sweeping statements here. Are there any facts and evidence to support your claims? If so then post the links here.