Pak suffers heavy casualties as govt gives troops free hand

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Not exactly. While yes India in general wants to reshape itself into a world power in the image of China. It still maintains a massive military presence on the western border. By contrast its presence on all other borders is minuscule. One could argue that it is because of Pakistan.. but then the Pakistani argument is that it is security focused specifically because of the huge Indian presence.

I think its a bit of both. For India and its military, the various bases alongside the Pakistan border would need to be closed or wound down in case of peace. Troops levels will naturally be expected to go down(although not as drastic as they would be for Pakistan) and relocations would be required. In addition, IF there is genuine peace with Pakistan then there is a big chance that the same would follow for China. The resulting drawdown will automatically be asked by the Indian public. While that can be managed via a tradeoff between active and reserve personnel, there will be a need to close down certain facilities that essentially provide the livelihood for a lot of Indians.

As much as we are different from that case, we can take the straight forward example of the Soviet Union and the US.
The resulting peace left two militarise without any major foe and the resuting impact on the populations asking for a drawdown in defence expenditure is plain for all to see.



If your mind sees only that poetry and not the picture on the border vis-a-vis violations, I cant be bothered to think of you as serious as well. Like I stated many times before, if you have come onto this forum due to hatred over a crime committed...then I will ensure that you get thrown out with the same hatred as well. Learn to be unemotional when discussing issues and you will last a lot longer here.

Oscar Bhai .. Why do we tolerate trolls(check his postings)? Visit the indian forum ... What do you see there ?(I see degenerates.. He live and breathe hatred)... n He talks of Mumbai .. But forgets samjhuta ?the beating of Pakistani nationals in indian,the acid served to blind cricketer? N so on ? Indians here are not even ready to accept their faults! It's always Pakistan the evil doer ?

 

[Indischer]

This may very well be a ripple effect as well. One Indian gets shot in the adjacent village, the other posts ensure that two Pakistani get shot.. then Pakistani posts twenty miles away hear of that and ensure that three Indians get shot.. and so on.

May be, may be not....The timing of such ripple-effects is often rather convenient and serendipitous, IMO?

 

[illusion8]

Not exactly. While yes India in general wants to reshape itself into a world power in the image of China. It still maintains a massive military presence on the western border. By contrast its presence on all other borders is minuscule. One could argue that it is because of Pakistan.. but then the Pakistani argument is that it is security focused specifically because of the huge Indian presence.

I think its a bit of both. For India and its military, the various bases alongside the Pakistan border would need to be closed or wound down in case of peace. Troops levels will naturally be expected to go down(although not as drastic as they would be for Pakistan) and relocations would be required. In addition, IF there is genuine peace with Pakistan then there is a big chance that the same would follow for China. The resulting drawdown will automatically be asked by the Indian public. While that can be managed via a tradeoff between active and reserve personnel, there will be a need to close down certain facilities that essentially provide the livelihood for a lot of Indians.

As much as we are different from that case, we can take the straight forward example of the Soviet Union and the US.
The resulting peace left two militarise without any major foe and the resuting impact on the populations asking for a drawdown in defence expenditure is plain for all to see.

Most Indian bases facing Pakistan are pre partition, some came up during our four wars, once established, cantts are raely relocated. There is one more basic reason for the cantts to be present there and that is most Indian defense recruits essentially are from North and West India.

Even if there is peace with Pakistan, I am sure military buildup will not cease as far as Indian forces go and I have a valid reason and a theory for that and I might start a thread on that one day , India and China's buildup is for a reason and essentially it might seem because of regional conflicts but there are much bigger fishes to fry for the both of us, which does not mean direct confrontation but more power projection. There wouldn't be a planned buildup of $250 billion in the pipeline planned over the next decade if it was only to counter our regional adversaries, the same is true for China as well. One can argue that one can invest all that effort into bringing peace with our neighbors, but we know for a fact that peace will eventually come indirectly. I am not comparing India with China here, but both are on the same trajectory of buildup at different paces - depending on how much we can afford.

Western think tanks look at the future developing scenario from various perspectives and start making their moves from the present.

 

[Indischer]

Mr your Army fires we hit back and you loose soldiers so cut the crap you are able to do nothing

Ask yourself this question: Why would India want to shell or target well-fortified Pakistani positions? What would such an exercise achieve for India? It's not like infiltrators move out of Indian Kashmir into Pakistan, is it?

 

[SQ8]

Most Indian bases facing Pakistan are pre partition, some came up during our four wars, once established, cantts are raely relocated. There is one more basic reason for the cantts to be present there and that is most Indian defense recruits essentially are from North and West India.

Even if there is peace with Pakistan, I am sure military buildup will not cease as far as Indian forces go and I have a valid reason and a theory for that and I might start a thread on that one day , India and China's buildup is for a reason and essentially it might seem because of regional conflicts but there are much bigger fishes to fry for the both of us, which does not mean direct confrontation but more power projection. There wouldn't be a planned buildup of $250 billion in the pipeline planned over the next decade if it was only to counter our regional adversaries, the same is true for China as well. One can argue that one can invest all that effort into bringing peace with our neighbors, but we know for a fact that peace will eventually come indirectly. I am not comparing India with China here, but both are on the same trajectory of buildup at different paces - depending on how much we can afford.

Western think tanks look at the future developing scenario from various perspectives and start making their moves from the present.

Many bases are new for both. The bases pre partition that existed for them were essentially British controlling sectors for the occupation.

I am not pointing to the modernization, but rather the number of personnel and bases. Or rather the focus of those.
As I stated before, the issue remains that for each the drawdown creates a need for massive reorganization and budget reduction in certain sectors. It also creates a lot of questions within the population(especially for Pakistan) over the defence budget's size and transparency.

The only risk with poking the bear is that sometimes it might get up and bite your arm off
- like 65 when PA did not expect their poking to result in a full out invasion/war
- like 71 where the bombing of Indian air bases turned out to be too much poking for the bear's liking

To credit of Pakistani Army though, I think by trial and error they have figured out the optimal amount of poking where they piss off the bear without enduring its wrath At least until the next time the bear decides enough is enough

When you can post without smilies, and more seriously. Only then will you be allowed onto such threads, till then go take your childish writing elsewhere; thread banned.

Sorry, lets correct that. You are pathetic dual ID who is here to troll. Banned permanently.

 

[Indischer]

Many bases are new for both. The bases pre partition that existed for them were essentially British controlling sectors for the occupation.

I am not pointing to the modernization, but rather the number of personnel and bases. Or rather the focus of those.
As I stated before, the issue remains that for each the drawdown creates a need for massive reorganization and budget reduction in certain sectors. It also creates a lot of questions within the population(especially for Pakistan) over the defence budget's size and transparency.



When you can post without smilies, and more seriously. Only then will you be allowed onto such threads, till then go take your childish writing elsewhere; thread banned.

Sorry, lets correct that. You are pathetic dual ID who is here to troll. Banned permanently.

What was his previous ID?

 

[SQ8]

What was his previous ID?

Some "priceless", joined for trolling and banned very recently.

 

[Zarvan]

Ask yourself this question: Why would India want to shell or target well-fortified Pakistani positions? What would such an exercise achieve for India? It's not like infiltrators move out of Indian Kashmir into Pakistan, is it?

You have been opening fire for years and on this border firing takes place many times just for sake off firing

 

[illusion8]

Many bases are new for both. The bases pre partition that existed for them were essentially British controlling sectors for the occupation.

I am not pointing to the modernization, but rather the number of personnel and bases. Or rather the focus of those.
As I stated before, the issue remains that for each the drawdown creates a need for massive reorganization and budget reduction in certain sectors. It also creates a lot of questions within the population(especially for Pakistan) over the defence budget's size and transparency.

I get your point, without enemies - potent and sworn - it would be difficult to justify massive forces and buildups - essentially the reason why the US looked actively globally to create enemies, same is true for us too. How else would a govt justify massive defense expenditure from "basically poor or developing countries" without a sworn enemy. People will question it and Indian people will be first one's to do it.

That much is true that we use Pakistan as a bakra and for sure Pakistan uses India as one, and maintains enough lobbies and analysts to keep the threat theater alive. India regarding China as a potential enemy with whom we will fight a war or the two front war theory are also given to justify the buildup. I was going beyond that and looking at a reason why we 1) need to keep the threat theater active, and 2) why GOI feels the need for a massive buildup.

Generals of IA keeping the stew on the boil so that they keep enjoying the perks is not a valid and good enough reason for them to hamper peace initiatives, especially via tensions at the LOC.

 

[Levina]

Zarvan never replies back to any of my queries though. Lagta hai dil pe le liya hai mere baaton ko.

Dont get upset Indee!!
Someday @Zarvan bhai would reply back ...someday.

Facilitating militants would not need the kind of firepower that has been displayed in the past week or so. The firing would be usually localised to 2-3 villages and a dozen or so border posts at max before. Facilitating militants is merely one of the add-on benefits of this exercise.

Another ceasefire violation; Pakistan troops fire at 40 Border Out Posts; 24 villages along international border | Latest News & Updates at Daily News & Analysis

AFAIK last year also around the month of august there were ceasefire violations to facilitate the infiltration attempts.Thats when we lost one or two jawans.
And this year the violations increased after the discovery of a possible cross-border tunnel from Azad Kashmir along LoC in Chalka post in Pallanwala sector of Jammu district.

Poor NS is getting blamed for no reason.lol

I always do problem these days is I am using forum on my mobile I don't get notice

Wow!!!
Indee aaj crow will fly ulta!!
Zarvan bhai replied back

What trauma you are talking about you lost soldiers and we haven't lost any your media is lying you are trying to safe your face so kid grow up

Are you really talking to me??

Can we all just think about this for a second. This is not a death by indiscriminate machine gun or mortar fire, this is a cold, calculated kill. A sniper kill is no accident, someone has had to look down a scope, wait for the perfect moment to take the shot and pull the trigger just once. Whilst it could be claimed that MG and mortar fire are used to keep the heads of the other side down, Sniper firing is deliberate, targeted and surgical with only one intention- to take life.

Right!
That was a cold blooded muder.
Somebody had uploaded a video of how a patrolling Indian jawan was shot at last year, I am not sure if I saw it on this forum or the FB grp.

Last year we were supposed to hold DGMO level talks with Pakistan,first time after 1999 to raise issue like massive increase in ceasefire violations/civilian attacks /infiltration attempts.
I am sure all those talks and time spent drilling sense into the vacuum brains of the enemy was all in vain because this year again we are faced with the same issues.

I wonder what do these DGMOs communicate every tuesday through their hotlines because I dont see any tangible results despite holding such telephonic talks.

 

[Indischer]

You have been opening fire for years and on this border firing takes place many times just for sake off firing

Don't belittle our Armed Forces for being tactless. They're anything but that. PA and IA won't waste a SINGLE bullet on each other for the sake of it. Every volley has a specific purpose.

 

[Levina]

I always do problem these days is I am using forum on my mobile I don't get notice

I also use mobile most of the time and it works fine for me.
Are you lying by any chance??

 

[Zarvan]

I also use mobile most of the time and it works fine for me.
Are you lying by any chance??

No I am not I prefer using computer or laptop

 

[Zarvan]

Don't belittle our Armed Forces for being tactless. They're anything but that. PA and IA won't waste a SINGLE bullet on each other for the sake of it. Every volley has a specific purpose.

No many times its not

 

[Levina]

No I am not I prefer using computer or laptop

Okay then Zarvan bhai I give you the benefit of doubt.
I am assuming you're using pdf app which has some technical glitches.Use your internet browser if so.