Pak-Sino relations and its impact on Pakistans reputation in the Muslim world

[Kakaspai]

Believe, you are a white washed anti China loser. China is never anti muslim. What China hate is separatism of the country which no any other country can tolerate. Muslim exist in China many centuries with blessing from even our emperor. The famous Zheng He is a good example.

Does uyghur muslim represent all muslim in China? No. You shall check out the hui Muslim in ningxia and Xi an muslim who never have a separatism problem with CPC.

Pakistan has its own importance in the Muslim world.China will use that to improve their relationships with the muslims over the world.

 

[My-Analogous]

How will Pakistan react when the Chinese say one day: we do not want you to talk to the Indonesians, Turks, Arabs, etc.? Believe me, that will happen.

Mate China is not US and China never interfere any country internal matters, and they don't dictate like US did. Trust me because we have 40+ year healthy relation with them and they are our Iron brothers

 

[Kakaspai]

How will Pakistan react when the Chinese say one day: we do not want you to talk to the Indonesians, Turks, Arabs, etc.? Believe me, that will happen.

What was the reaction o turky when Nato attacked Salala Post ?

It doesn't matter what other Muslim nations think. China is our neighbour and our friend and it has proven it! It proved it when obl was found in pakistan and the world was screaming and it was china that stood that said they would not stand any attack k on our territorial integrity and the world quitened. When we had went through the most horror five years of our history, broken economy and weakened image it was china that offered cpec and we say increase in our economy and nations are willing to invest in us again. In all this story the Muslim ummah is nowhere. In fact when we said no to Yemen war uae threatened us and started x
Cozying with India do you know why? BCZ THATS WHAT FORIEGN POLICIES ARE. SELFISH IN NATURE.

Our relationship with china has nothing to do with turkey. They are two separate things just like turkeys relations with Israel and USA ( the nation that destroyed Muslim countries ) have nothing to do with the Muslim world. Simple.

However never going to happen but if we were to chose between turkey and China then it would and should be china with of course playing the mediator role in bringing nations together bcz not only its a neighbour but a standing ally and a rising super power. However its never ever going to happen.

If there is any problem between pakistan and India do you know who Iran a Muslim country will side with? India bcz india was there when they needed them. India traded with them oil and gas when we followed sanctions... Iran would side with india while trying to play a mediator role.

Anyway you seriously have no idea about china if you feel they will ask that. China as a nation has always focused on the policy of power through trade and relations... USA is its biggest rival and its a huge trading partner and china doesn't just cut relations... Even with India it has cordial relations and trades with them. China will never cut a country off and will try to bring and exert control through trade. Its one of the main reasons that in many points in history china will be found as a recurring power always rising after falling. Their general and natural policy allows them this.

Anyhow this question wasn't even in our minds which shows how unrealistic it is... Currently the sentiments about china in Pakistan are heavily heavily positive.

i think its time we adopt nationalism instead of ummahizm

 

[saiyan0321]

i think its time we adopt nationalism instead of ummahizm

I actually support such s foreign policy. We follow our selfish interests and if it includes Muslim countries then great if not then no hard feelings.

And amazingly its greatest proponent and user has been turkey who despite ummah pressure sided with Israel. Turkey has followed its own interests ( which in my eyes is exactly how you should follow foreign policy ) and has become a powerful nation...

 

[Kakaspai]

I actually support such s foreign policy. We follow our selfish interests and if it includes Muslim countries then great if not then no hard feelings.

And amazingly its greatest proponent and user has been turkey who despite ummah pressure sided with Israel. Turkey has followed its own interests ( which in my eyes is exactly how you should follow foreign policy ) and has become a powerful nation...

only Pakistan among the muslims nations is always fooled into helping ummah.For Arabs bombing yemen is helping Ummah

 

[Sipahi]

The title says it all. It's a matter of fact: the overwhelming majority of Muslims worldwide do not sympathize with China. The country, the culture, the language, its traditions, its foreign and domestic policy - simply everything that is related to Chinese state or its society is unpopular.

What are the reasons behind this rejection?

Main reason for this negative attitude towards China lies in the fact that the Chinese one-party government suppresses innocent Muslims. Everybody recognises that the ethnic Uygurs in East Turkestan are still being persecuted.

From Balkan and Anatolia to Central Asia, the Turkic people don't tolerate Chinese. Even if the political elites of the Turkic states negotiate with China, the common people whether Shiite or Sunni do not like the Chinese nation. It would be quite mistaken to believe that this view of China is a "Turkish thing".

The majority of Sunni Arabs share the same opinion. China acts as a supporter of Russia and Assad. In the eyes of the Sunni Arabs, the Syrian crisis is to a large extent the co-responsibility of Russia's and Chinas's irresponsible and crazy Middle East policies.

Not only Arabs and Turks have their problems with the Chinese. Chinese ships violating the maritime sovereignty of Malaysia. Muslim majority countries in Southeast Asia like Indonesia and Brunei also criticize China’s claim on South China Sea.

The only Muslim state that currently has a very good relationship with China is Pakistan. What consequences will this have for the reputation of Pakistan in the Muslim world? The Indian government under Modi is not as stupid as we always believe. They will try to use these different positions for their own goals. It's just a matter of time before India on the one side and Turkey, Indonesia and Saudi Arabia on the other side begin to cooperate.

The United Arab Emirates have already begun closer cooperation with India.

What you guys think about this topic?

(Sorry for my bad English)

Most of the Muslim countries are enjoying good relations with India... Do we ever ask anyone to cutoff their relations or anything ... ????

Diplomacy is all about interests...

 

[Paksanity]

How will Pakistan react when the Chinese say one day: we do not want you to talk to the Indonesians, Turks, Arabs, etc.? Believe me, that will happen.

Pakistan would decline the request. We value our relationship with these countries just as we value our relationship with China. Pakistan is trying to diversify its foreign policy not looking to build a relationship at the cost of other.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

My mistake. I apologize. Nevertheless, Turkey has never betray Pakistan.

Kardesim (brother), I understand your reservations about Pak China relationship. If you put your feet in pakistani shoes, things will get clearer. Pakistan is under existential threat of 7x larger eternal enemy neighbor whose Prime Minister's and ruling parties sole achievement is that they have the demonstrated ability to kill Muslims in manners which will put Cengis into shame. By the by Indian Muslims are the most submissive people in the world. If you replace them with hot blooded ones like Turks (Paks in this case) the outcome is beyond imagination. The more notorious the intention and ability to kill the higher the rating. That neighbor is nuclear armed too. To merely survive Pak needs the level of military capabilities not readily available. China is the primary source at an affordable cost for China and India are also dead enemies. The help China provides to Pak can be termed as God send. I am pretty sure Pak chief sleeps with one eye open and one finger on the nuclear button !?!1

 

[Hyperion]

Ummah is long dead. Long live self interests. Someone shut-down this fart of a thread.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Ummah is long dead. Long live self interests. Someone shut-down this fart of a thread.

Brother, don't wish for Ummet to be dead, for that means the end of the world.

 

[Arsalan]

The title says it all. It's a matter of fact: the overwhelming majority of Muslims worldwide do not sympathize with China. The country, the culture, the language, its traditions, its foreign and domestic policy - simply everything that is related to Chinese state or its society is unpopular.

What are the reasons behind this rejection?

Main reason for this negative attitude towards China lies in the fact that the Chinese one-party government suppresses innocent Muslims. Everybody recognises that the ethnic Uygurs in East Turkestan are still being persecuted.

From Balkan and Anatolia to Central Asia, the Turkic people don't tolerate Chinese. Even if the political elites of the Turkic states negotiate with China, the common people whether Shiite or Sunni do not like the Chinese nation. It would be quite mistaken to believe that this view of China is a "Turkish thing".

The majority of Sunni Arabs share the same opinion. China acts as a supporter of Russia and Assad. In the eyes of the Sunni Arabs, the Syrian crisis is to a large extent the co-responsibility of Russia's and Chinas's irresponsible and crazy Middle East policies.

Not only Arabs and Turks have their problems with the Chinese. Chinese ships violating the maritime sovereignty of Malaysia. Muslim majority countries in Southeast Asia like Indonesia and Brunei also criticize China’s claim on South China Sea.

The only Muslim state that currently has a very good relationship with China is Pakistan. What consequences will this have for the reputation of Pakistan in the Muslim world? The Indian government under Modi is not as stupid as we always believe. They will try to use these different positions for their own goals. It's just a matter of time before India on the one side and Turkey, Indonesia and Saudi Arabia on the other side begin to cooperate.

The United Arab Emirates have already begun closer cooperation with India.

What you guys think about this topic?

(Sorry for my bad English)

TURKEY is NOT MOST OF THE MUSLIM WORLD.
Furthermore, our relation with China are based on geopolitical strategical partnership. We are neighbours.

What do you have to say about Turkey's relation with USA? Do you think MOST OF THE MUSLIM WORLD is comfortable with USA?
OR
Some Arab states relationship with Israel? what is the effect of that on there reputation in Muslim World? WE ARE THE ONES WHO STILL DO NOT RECOGNIZE ISRAEL AS A STATE WHILE TURKEY ALONG WITH MANY OTHER COUNTIRES HAVE MILITARY AND TRADE TIES WITH ISRAEL, What about Palestinians or they too are not Muslims anymore like Shia (in view of Sunnis extremists) or Sunnis (in eyes of Shia extremists)

It is time we get out that "Ummaat ka dard" crap as it have already cost us a lot. We were among the ones who where crying umat umat while Iraq and Iran were destroying each other, the entire Arab world was bombing Yemen and now all the Umat-eMuslima have turned Syria into a battle field and invited there masters for target practice there.

It pains me to right all these things dear because i for one have always admired Turkey in the Muslim world, ranked them much better then the Arabs. Sadly, you have gotten yourself into real mess over the Syrian issue. AND NO, I am not a Shia but what we are doing is not making Sunnis proud either. At the end of the day, it is Muslims killing Muslims!!

Your thoughts on this matter @araz @WAJsal @Slav Defence @Irfan Baloch @Icarus @fatman17

 

[mzeeshanfahd]

The title says it all. It's a matter of fact: the overwhelming majority of Muslims worldwide do not sympathize with China. The country, the culture, the language, its traditions, its foreign and domestic policy - simply everything that is related to Chinese state or its society is unpopular.

What are the reasons behind this rejection?

Main reason for this negative attitude towards China lies in the fact that the Chinese one-party government suppresses innocent Muslims. Everybody recognises that the ethnic Uygurs in East Turkestan are still being persecuted.

From Balkan and Anatolia to Central Asia, the Turkic people don't tolerate Chinese. Even if the political elites of the Turkic states negotiate with China, the common people whether Shiite or Sunni do not like the Chinese nation. It would be quite mistaken to believe that this view of China is a "Turkish thing".

The majority of Sunni Arabs share the same opinion. China acts as a supporter of Russia and Assad. In the eyes of the Sunni Arabs, the Syrian crisis is to a large extent the co-responsibility of Russia's and Chinas's irresponsible and crazy Middle East policies.

Not only Arabs and Turks have their problems with the Chinese. Chinese ships violating the maritime sovereignty of Malaysia. Muslim majority countries in Southeast Asia like Indonesia and Brunei also criticize China’s claim on South China Sea.

The only Muslim state that currently has a very good relationship with China is Pakistan. What consequences will this have for the reputation of Pakistan in the Muslim world? The Indian government under Modi is not as stupid as we always believe. They will try to use these different positions for their own goals. It's just a matter of time before India on the one side and Turkey, Indonesia and Saudi Arabia on the other side begin to cooperate.

The United Arab Emirates have already begun closer cooperation with India.

What you guys think about this topic?

(Sorry for my bad English)

First of all please note my Turkish brothers (specifically as the thread is raised under this flag) and other countries brothers I mean no offense to them and my sympathies rests with you but I want to say this ........

I was having similar thoughts when turkey being part of NATO which attacked Afghanistan next to Pakistan and even Pakistan was attacked by uncle sam (just like syria in this case next to turkey and effects falling on you guys) did not separate itself from NATO neither it discontinue its relations with uncle sam ..... how come the post suggests that because russia and china (now I am here not saying that I am supporting their policies) are against you we should also restrain our relations with the two ....

I can go into the detail of the similarities between the two scenarios and you will see that Pakistan has still played a greater role than you when you were on the shore while we seem to take the brunt ....

Finally realize the fact we (Muslims) will have a greater chance to good when we have both sides of world powers covered ....

 

[Imran Khan]

who cares muslim world ???

 

[volatile]

China and Pakistan will remain allies simply because both are neighbors, have common enemy India .

 

[Desert Fox]

Kardesim (brother), I understand your reservations about Pak China relationship. If you put your feet in pakistani shoes, things will get clearer. Pakistan is under existential threat of 7x larger eternal enemy neighbor whose Prime Minister's and ruling parties sole achievement is that they have the demonstrated ability to kill Muslims in manners which will put Cengis into shame. By the by Indian Muslims are the most submissive people in the world. If you replace them with hot blooded ones like Turks (Paks in this case) the outcome is beyond imagination. The more notorious the intention and ability to kill the higher the rating. That neighbor is nuclear armed too. To merely survive Pak needs the level of military capabilities not readily available. China is the primary source at an affordable cost for China and India are also dead enemies. The help China provides to Pak can be termed as God send. I am pretty sure Pak chief sleeps with one eye open and one finger on the nuclear button !?!1

Glad to see a Turkish brother who understands our position.