Pak may never try another Kargil, but it could get worse

[Carl Johnson]

i laugh at these indian internet warriors..... in a real life war they'd probably hide behind their mummyji's saris

And I lol at your signature when I remember 1971.

 

[batmannow]

and what is the price for your dignity, you have your piece of Kashmir, we have ours and the Chinese have thiers that you gave them.
settle for what every one has or think about another war.
and taking about solders are to fight, they are not to fight but to protect the nation.
if you think they are paid to die, i am sorry for your attitude towards soldiers who are also humans and have a family to live in peace, and you are forgeting the above fact

war & india?
after this?
are you still are able to think about a war???

Army Chief's leaked letter to PM puts Centre in a fix
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article3255243.ece
SMITA GUPTA
Will the government grin and bear it until Gen. V.K. Singh retires or ask him to go on forced leave?
Hours after the contents of a letter written by General V.K. Singh to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on the lack of defence preparedness appeared in a national daily on Wednesday, adding a new dimension to the ongoing controversy sparked by an explosive interview the Army Chief gave this newspaper, Defence Minister A.K. Antony assured Parliament that the government was committed to ensuring the safety and security of the nation.

And even as some parties denounced the Army Chief, demanding his dismissal and an inquiry into who had leaked the letter, the government went into damage-control mode: the Prime Minister — who returned late Tuesday night from South Korea — went into a huddle with Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee, Home Minister P. Chidambaram and Mr. Antony to discuss the government's limited options.

The government can grin and bear it until the General demits office at May-end. Or it can ask him to go on forced leave and risk damaging the office of Army Chief.

The letter may have painted a grim picture but, sources say, it is the practice for service chiefs to write to the Prime Minister, shortly before they retire, on the state of the fighting arm they head. This letter is also similar to the one Gen. Singh wrote to Mr. Antony last month. That too appeared in a newspaper and contains much of what the Army had shared with the Defence Ministry and the National Security Council last year.

Those close to the General — who was in Kashmir on Wednesday — deny that the letter was leaked from his office, stressing he had nothing to gain by its contents being made public. The March 12 letter says India's security may be at risk as tanks are running out of ammunition; air defence is becoming obsolete; and the infantry lacks critical weapons. A Congress functionary even told The Hindu that it was virtually impossible that the Army Chief would have leaked a confidential letter, as it was an offence that would attract court martial.

Through the day, it became clear that the government did not wish to act in haste. So while within the Congress, the mood was turning against the General — with Union Minister for Overseas Affairs Vayalar Ravi even calling him a “frustrated man” because he could not get an extension — Mr. Antony assured the Rajya Sabha that “the government is determined to do all that is necessary to ensure the safety and security of the nation,” adding it was committed to getting the best equipment for the armed forces and speeding up the modernisation process. By late afternoon, the government decided it needed to address the issues raised in the General's letter again. So it fielded its articulate Minister of State for Defence Pallam Raju. He told journalists that though in the last three years the entire capital budget had been utilised, there were “gaps in capabilities which we are trying to bridge as quickly as possible.” At the Congress' official briefing, the tone was muted. Party spokesperson Rashid Alvi said defence was a “sensitive” issue and should be not become the subject of loose talk. And while the leaking of the letter raised many questions, nothing should be said or done that would weaken India as a nation, he said.

Meanwhile, it became clear that till such time as it is known who leaked the letter, the Army Chief will remain in the dock. The Samajwadi Party, the Janata Dal (United) and the Rashtriya Janata Dal vociferously demanded that he be sacked. The Bharatiya Janata Party distanced itself from this demand, but it was no longer as sympathetic to the Army Chief; it appeared to be gradually veering round to the view that he had crossed the Lakshman Rekha. “Why did the Army Chief not meet the Prime Minister and personally brief him,” asked Leader of the Opposition in the Lok Sabha Sushma Swaraj. “The decision to write a letter is always fraught with the possibility, even if one per cent, that it may be leaked at some point in time… When the common man reads that the defence forces have no ammunition and cannot defend the country he finds it scary.” The only concession she was willing to give him was that perhaps his decision to write such a letter was a reflection of the complete breakdown of communication between the Army Chief and the government. But despite the growing unease over Gen. Singh's public statements, the BJP is not ready to seek any action against him. However, it has given notice for suspension of question hour in the Lok Sabha to discuss the subject; that did not happen on Wednesday as the House was plunged into turmoil on the Telangana issue.

wow what a capability india hve? to do a war?

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

And I lol at your signature when I remember 1971.

says the tool who probably wasnt even born until the 1990s.....

 

[Carl Johnson]

says the tool who probably wasnt even born until the 1990s.....

What has my age got to do here ? But my mental age is far more than yours as I can percieve from your previous juvenile troll post.

 

[batmannow]

Good that you finally realized the truth that no one can change it .... Status quo suits us fine dude , since the last time i checked Kargil is under Indian control

plz keep checking it, no one knows , when its not yours?

 

[Icewolf]

Kargil wasn't a war

 

[Carl Johnson]

Kargil wasn't a war

Ya it was just a target practice for our indian army.What say ?

 

[INDIC]

Kargil wasn't a war

Kargil Conflict is the right term.

 

[Icewolf]

Ya it was just a target practice for our indian army.What say ?

You're saying this on a Pakistani forum... Indian forums empty, or what?

 

[batmannow]

Not really much in there for Pakistan, India will keep the Pakistani hope of Kashmir alive till the point that Pakistan says enough is enough we no more want anything to do with Kashmir and that point has already come to an extent. A lot of people - not everybody - in Pakistan sees the futility of it and want to move on.

not much for india too, all of suden kashmir jihad , also can happen again?
guys you dont get it, core issue in pakistan still is kashmir any way, & no one has forgotten it yet!
many still are working on it, future will make india understands it?

Ya it was just a target practice for our indian army.What say ?

it wasnt, but mumbai was?

 

[Alchemy]

plz keep checking it, no one knows , when its not yours?

Get real mate , Pak has been trying to occupy Kashmir through force and failing miserably on each occasion ... what makes you think it will be any different in the future ?

Last time you tried Your PM Nawaz ran to US scurrying for help, next time it will be Raja Pervez scurrying .... That could be the only difference

 

[Carl Johnson]

it wasnt, but mumbai was?

So you are accepting that the terrorists that unleashed havoc in Mumbai were trained by your ISI or army and were Pakistani and not Indian as many pakistanis try to claim here after watching Zaid Hamid parodies ?

I mean that's a good gesture !

 

[batmannow]

even you get all what you want, dont think about starting a new war in the future, because this time if it gets uglier then you'll not have any other option but to take the war to the next level or to say a NUCLEAR war, which is not good for either side.

look who is crying?


India’s security at risk: Army Chief warns PM
Last Updated: Wednesday, March 28, 2012, 11:21
India

New Delhi: Amidst the raging row over bribery allegations, Army Chief General VK Singh is reported to have written a letter to the Prime Minister, stating the country’s security might be at risk owing to the fact that tanks are running out of ammunition, air defence is going obsolete and the infantry is operating without critical weapons.

According to DNA, Gen Singh wrote the letter to PM Manmohan Singh on March 12, two weeks before making an explosive revelation that he was offered Rs 14 crore bribe to clear a defence purchase.

The Army Chief’s letter also rocked both Houses of Parliament, with Opposition creating an uproar over the issue.

Defence Minister AK Antony told Rajya Sabha he was aware of the letter and that a response would be given “at an appropriate time”.
Minister of State for Defence Pallam Raju had earlier confirmed that the government had received the letter from the Army Chief and were taking it seriously. The minister added that steps were being taken to overcome the shortcomings in armed forces' preparedness.

"There is obviously a gap in the capabilities. We are trying to bridge that gap," the minister told reporters.

Sources meanwhile said that the Army Chief’s letter was a breach of protocol as it should have been sent to the Defence Minister only.

In the letter, the Army Chief – who also had a recent run-in with the government over his date of birth controversy – asked the PM to “pass suitable directions to enhance the preparedness of the Army”.

Gen Singh wrote to the PMO after he failed to get a response from the Defence Ministry. It is no secret that following the row with South Block —which houses the Defence Ministry — over his birth date, the Army Chief has had to face a bureaucracy that seems reluctant to process files.

Also, experts and observers have criticised the Manmohan Singh-led government, which first came to power in May 2004 and then won a re-election in 2009, for not having made any big ticket defence purchases.

“The state of the major (fighting) arms i.e. Mechanised Forces, Artillery, Air Defence, Infantry and Special Forces, as well as the Engineers and Signals, is indeed alarming,” Gen Singh wrote in his letter, as per DNA.
In his letter, the Army Chief stated that while there is lack of critical ammunition for the entire tank fleet, the country’s air defence is “97% obsolete and it doesn't give the deemed confidence to protect…from the air”.

Also, the infantry is crippled with “deficiencies of crew served weapon” and lacks “night fighting” capabilities. Elite Special Forces, on the other hand, are “woefully short” of “essential weapons”.

Lamenting the complex and slow defence procurement procedures, Gen Singh said that there was “hollowness” in the present system.

He also hit out at indigenous ordnance factories, saying they produce weapon systems and other fighting material of poor quality with no sense of urgency.

Stating the shortcomings were severely eroding the Army's preparedness, he stressed on the need to “urgently mitigate” these “critical deficiencies” that are “impacting the operational capability” of a 1.3million-strong Army.

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[Tshering22]

We may have reason to celebrate the Kargil victory, but there’s nothing to celebrate in the fact that, as a nation, we’ve learnt none of the lessons from it, and seem hell-bent on placing excessive trust in an unrepentant military state that hasn’t been cured of the lunacy of war.

Tell this to traitors like Mahesh Bhatt, Romila Thapar, Gautam Navlakha and the Aman ki Asha losers who are sitting in our country and eating it like a virus.

 

[batmannow]

So you are accepting that the terrorists that unleashed havoc in Mumbai were trained by your ISI or army and were Pakistani and not Indian as many pakistanis try to claim here after watching Zaid Hamid parodies ?

I mean that's a good gesture !

do you admit, surbajeet was a terrorsit, & he did terrorit activities in pakistan!