Pak may be fabricating trial story of 'dead' Kulbhushan Jadhav: Former union home secy

[The Eagle]

When it comes to the "mod" part I can assure you she has more experience than you.....and I believe I also know a thing or two..... but that's not the point here.....lets end this here.... or take it to some Where more appropriate....

Well trust me, if she is a Mod somewhere, is not my or anyone interest at all and same is not the subject. The matter is between her and Mods, rating and its review that she can discuss by herself at appropriate section.

Thanks

 

[patman]

German diplomat says Yadav was caught by Taliban

German diplomat and scholar Dr Gunter Mulack, while speaking at the Pakistan Institute of International Affairs on Friday on the topic of ‘Crisis in the Middle East — A German Perspective’, has reportedly said, “Be aware the Chinese will not bring you paradise on earth”. He added, “The Indian spy recently arrested in Balochistan was actually caught by the Taliban and sold to Pakistani intelligence.”

the idea of a seasoned spy stationed at iran for 10 years going deep into pakistan with a iranian passport and zero pakistani identification is utterly ridiculous.

 

[Sully3]

the idea of a seasoned spy stationed at iran for 10 years going deep into pakistan with a iranian passport and zero pakistani identification is utterly ridiculous.

its a shame he confessed himself.

your monkey will die. live with it.

When it comes to the "mod" part I can assure you she has more experience than you.....and I believe I also know a thing or two..... but that's not the point here...when it comes to tagging none those tagged members responded until you intervened .....lets end this here.... or take it to some Where more appropriate....

what a ridiculous post.

 

[nair]

what a ridiculous post.

Ok Saar.. ... now let us discuss the topic

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

He was supposedly tried by a field gen. court martial of the army, which means he was tried by a military jury, not trained in law and which is not independent or impartial and that which works under the Pak army.
- Is disrespecting the PA, which raises serious questions on your comprehension skills.

Should I show you Mastaan Khan's posts where he slaughters your PAF Admin on a daily basis?

Mastan Khan is Pakistani and have all the rights to criticise any institution of Pakistan if he feels there is something wrong with it. Indians or any non Pakistani doesn't have this right on our forum. We cannot tolerate any non Pakistani ridiculing any of our institution.

 

[MilSpec]

Mastan Khan is Pakistani and have all the rights to criticise any institution of Pakistan if he feels there is something wrong with it. Indians or any non Pakistani doesn't have this right on our forum. We cannot tolerate any non Pakistani ridiculing any of our institution.

Ok lets examine what you conceive as ridicule:
He was supposedly tried by a field gen.- Fact

Court martial of the army, which means he was tried by a military jury - Fact

not trained in law and which is not independent or impartial and that which works under the Pak army - Inference

Please point to which part of these arguments and inferences are insults to your Army.

Next lets examine the following: "We cannot tolerate any non Pakistani ridiculing any of our institution". - Is that a stated position of the forum, if yes please do show me where is that stated. Does it violate any of the established forum regulation, if yes please show me where. How does fact and inferences presented here violate forum regulation?

@Oscar @WebMaster @Horus wth is going on here?

 

[SQ8]

Mastan Khan is Pakistani and have all the rights to criticise any institution of Pakistan if he feels there is something wrong with it. Indians or any non Pakistani doesn't have this right on our forum. We cannot tolerate any non Pakistani ridiculing any of our institution.

We can tolerate civil constructive critique, especially from someone part of our analysis team.

It is part of our national character to accomodate people and ideas. Let the forum administration decide on who has what right or not.

Thanks

German diplomat says Yadav was caught by Taliban

German diplomat and scholar Dr Gunter Mulack, while speaking at the Pakistan Institute of International Affairs on Friday on the topic of ‘Crisis in the Middle East — A German Perspective’, has reportedly said, “Be aware the Chinese will not bring you paradise on earth”. He added, “The Indian spy recently arrested in Balochistan was actually caught by the Taliban and sold to Pakistani intelligence.”

Whereas the rest of the news article which you omitted convienently states that it is likely that the diplomat got his news from misleading sources.

Unless we ask Iranians uf they let Taliban roam free in their country?
@Serpentine are there Taliban in Iran as the diplomats half baked information implies?

 

[MilSpec]

Milspec, I informed you to avoid such behaviour. What MastanKhan did, he is responsible for himself but the same does not issue an open invitation to others like this.

Dear sir,

I i have caused a forum policy violation then please do educate, but please refrain from trying to teach me on how my narrative needs to be shaped. I will voice my opinion in the context I want to without violating norms, if you want come up with new forum policies such as no criticism of any institutions by any foreign national no matter the how ridiculous the actions are, you are more than welcome to do so.

And as far as criticizing institutions, I have criticized Indian, pakistani, iranian, US institutions on this forums openly without ever have to see this response, so to me you are setting a precedent here.

As I haven't been too active here, So I would indeed like some clarification from as the other member pointed out previous post did mention, separate sets of discriminatory rules for forum members.

Pakistani members will have a different set of rules to abide by compared to Indians, are there any more discriminatory guidelines that we need to know based on nationality, religion, race etc that have been established on the forum.

@WebMaster how about creating a new set of rules and guidelines as the Moderator infers here by nationality and probably other credentials.

We can tolerate civil constructive critique, especially from someone part of our analysis team.

It is part of our national character to accomodate people and ideas. Let the forum administration decide on who has what right or not.

Thanks


Whereas the rest of the news article which you omitted convienently states that it is likely that the diplomat got his news from misleading sources.

Unless we ask Iranians uf they let Taliban roam free in their country?
@Serpentine are there Taliban in Iran as the diplomats half baked information implies?

Rules for moderation are not subjective but on forum policy. If there is a topic that violates the stated position, it is a violation no matter who it comes from.
This selective moderation to muzzle counter opinions as demonstrated by the other moderator is cover for weak narrative.

When pointed out Lack in consistency of your jurisprudence, the response was just incoherent grandstanding and personal attacks. Finally followed by allegations of derailing the thread.

Even when precedence of a legal adjudication is direction that every civilized court in the world follows, here pointing out to precedence prevailing in Pakistani system is construed as policy violation, of which none exists to my recollection. That's just weak narrative with moderating privileges.

 

[duhastmish]

After going through many indian and asian defence forum. I realised this to be the most unbaised and discourseful platform.

Webmaster horus agnostic oscar neo eagle even the new guys are awesome. @MastanKhan whoes critique are sharp but always constructive. He says things in harsh but with solid foundations and gives a solution not just raise the problem . I am sure @MilSpec is not criticising him but only demanding his voice to keep the forum discussion worthy.
@Levina post was not disrespectful only telling the truth that soldiers and defence institutions are for that purpose not for legal battles. Her statement is open to criticism but not outright reject.

Lets be a little a constructive @The Eagle . You have responsibility just a little misjudgnent by dear @HRK i guess.

 

[SQ8]

Dear sir,

I i have caused a forum policy violation then please do educate, but please refrain from trying to teach me on how my narrative needs to be shaped. I will voice my opinion in the context I want to without violating norms, if you want come up with new forum policies such as no criticism of any institutions by any foreign national no matter the how ridiculous the actions are, you are more than welcome to do so.

And as far as criticizing institutions, I have criticized Indian, pakistani, iranian, US institutions on this forums openly without ever have to see this response, so to me you are setting a precedent here.

As I haven't been too active here, So I would indeed like some clarification from as the other member pointed out previous post did mention, separate sets of discriminatory rules for forum members.

Pakistani members will have a different set of rules to abide by compared to Indians, are there any more discriminatory guidelines that we need to know based on nationality, religion, race etc that have been established on the forum.

@WebMaster how about creating a new set of rules and guidelines as the Moderator infers here by nationality and probably other credentials.



Rules for moderation are not subjective but on forum policy. If there is a topic that violates the state position, it is a violation no matter who it comes from.
This selective moderation to muzzle counter opinions as demonstrated by the other moderator is cover for weak narrative.

When pointed out Lack in consistency of your jurisprudence, the response was just incoherent grandstanding and personal attacks. Finally followed by allegations of derailing the thread.

Even when precedence of a legal adjudication is direction that every civilized court in the world follows, here pointing out to precedence prevailing in Pakistani system is construed as policy violation, of which none exists to my recollection. That's just weak narrative with moderating privileges.

I am pretty confused regarding the context here or what you are implying.
What rules and regulations based on?
"Senior and elite" titles?
Please elaborate or highlight the post you object to and we can discuss it in PM

 

[Joe Shearer]

Sir, that was just to inform her as not to tag title holders referring to rating but need to contact appropriate section which can save derailing on thread as well as discussing another title holder.

Regards,



Milspec, I informed you to avoid such behaviour. What MastanKhan did, he is responsible for himself but the same does not issue an open invitation to others like this.

I write this with NO prejudice against you, personally, and no misgivings about your general approach to a difficult task.

My remark is more important for what it does not say, than for what it says. A comment from one of the dominant personalities of the forum advises members to allow the administration to do its job, to administer the rules, and to restrain or discipline members. This works, as long as there is respect for those who have these difficult responsibilities.

And contrariwise.

The attack on Levina, delivered in the very poor disguise of disciplining an errant member, leads me to question my Judgement on several matters. It appears in hindsight that I was wrong, and those who saw what was coming and walked away were right.

Sir, that was just to inform her as not to tag title holders referring to rating but need to contact appropriate section which can save derailing on thread as well as discussing another title holder.

Regards,



Milspec, I informed you to avoid such behaviour. What MastanKhan did, he is responsible for himself but the same does not issue an open invitation to others like this.

 

[SQ8]

Moderation and especially ratings are very subjective here with some being very bias to Indian posters.

Just coming from observation here.

That is probably because apart from.. lets see.. 1,2..3,4..5 maybe.. the rest of the Indian posters here are just here to disrupt any discussion on Pakistan at the least and generally troll most likely f the time. The sample space defines the response. If the representation improves, so will the metrics.
Instead of building bridges, current Indiana focus on flames; hence the response in kind by the administration to ensure positive discussion.

 

[The SC]

The theories are just getting absurd everyday.

More than absurd..actually the Indians are saying that Pakistan has kidnapped an innocent citizen of theirs and sentenced him to death.. just like that!

 

[duhastmish]

That is probably because apart from.. lets see.. 1,2..3,4..5 maybe.. the rest of the Indian posters here are just here to disrupt any discussion on Pakistan at the least and generally troll most likely f the time. The sample space defines the response. If the representation improves, so will the metrics.
Instead of building bridges, current Indiana focus on flames; hence the response in kind by the administration to ensure positive discussion.

But the forum is for them few people only. Rest are just seasonal birds. Who have no intrest in understanding other side.
Only biased rubbish that they utter. Forum is normally for people who are good listner than the people who have something to say about everything. Everyday i go through this forum. But i dont post i come here to learn and listen to people like you and a few others.
And those flame you see here are just social media fed uncouth youth. I am sure you too have them in majority of them. Just like every other place on earth.
I never said this but you guys are doing great job. A few hiccups are understandable.

 

[SQ8]

But the forum is for them few people only. Rest are just seasonal birds. Who have no intrest in understanding other side.
Only biased rubbish that they utter. Forum is normally for people who are good listner than the people who have something to say about everything. Everyday i go through this forum. But i dont post i come here to learn and listen to people like you and a few others.
And those flame you see here are just social media fed uncouth youth. I am sure you too have them in majority of them. Just like every other place on earth.
I never said this but you guys are doing great job. A few hiccups are understandable.

I tailor my response to the poster- be it a post or warning. Unfortunately, it does leave the chance for "guilty till proven innocent " but for someone with 26+ warnings- I believe some bias is allowed

More than absurd..actually the Indians are saying that Pakistan has kidnapped an innocent citizen of theirs and sentenced him to death.. just like that!

That is their perspective and it is absurd. Yes, some due process as been skipped per their view but since this man is considered an enemy combatant and NOT a civilian- the military has the right to apply its law.

I believe Pakistan military law has similar clauses as the following

The US Manual for Military Commissions (2007), Part IV, Crimes and Elements, includes in the list of crimes triable by military commissions:
SPYING.
a. Text. “Any person subject to this chapter who with intent or reason to believe that it is to be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of a foreign power, collects or attempts to collect information by clandestine means or while acting under false pretenses, for the purpose of conveying such information to an enemy of the United States, or one of the co-belligerents of the enemy, shall be punished by death or such other punishment as a military commission under this chapter may direct.”
b. Elements.
(1) The accused collected or attempted to collect certain information by clandestine means or while acting under false pretenses;
(2) The accused intended or had reason to believe the information collected would be used to injure the United States or to provide an advantage to a foreign power;
(3) The accused intended to convey such information to an enemy of the United States or one of the co-belligerents of the enemy; and
(4) The conduct took place in the context of and was associated with armed conflict.
c. Maximum punishment. Death.

@Oscar @The Eagle

I'm not even sure why you guys are taking Bhartis r. Rona so seriously.

It's obvious they are upset that their spy from Phantom film was caught and is going to hang for murder, espionage, and terrorism.

Forum rules and pretending to be more knowledgeable regarding forum policies are all desperate semantics for their frustration. Levina is one of the biggest trolls on the forum, yet you guys let her post with impunity, so I'm not exactly sure why the **** these Bhartis are crying.

Regarding Kulbushan, he's a dead man. There is no amount of Bhartis tears that can save him from his fate.

They have to present their country and its actions in the best light- they will try whatever misdirection or semantics they can, however ridiculous, fabricated or hypocritical they are. As long as these are civil, our rules and more importantly our morals compel us to let them be at it.