Pak left behind in the race, india can help catch up

[MilSpec]

You Indians keep yapping your beaks about Afghanistan. I don't know why. The CAR market is not as big as some of you think.

As for MFN status I don't see anything materializing anytime soon. No objection certificates in certain sectors are there but in all honesty it's just a token gesture. India did the exact same; it was a mere symbolic gesture nothing really materialized

Neighbours always gain from trade but Pakistan doesn't "need" trade with indian in order to boost economy. We just need to elect non corrupt, capable leadership. Opening up of EU markets to Pakistan is a much greater score for Pakistan (Eu being a large trade partner and despite India's belligerent opposition - which paid no dividends) and in fact that is why we must exploit Islamabad Tehran Istanbul railway to its fullest possible extent now that the facility is there

Do you have trains??

 

[Skull and Bones]

You Indians keep yapping your beaks about Afghanistan. I don't know why. The CAR market is not as big as some of you think.

Ok, for a moment lets agree CAR market isn't a profitable proposition for India, but those countries are mineral rich, and a route through Pakistan will be conducive to industrial growth on both countries.

Both countries should give it a try.

 

[MilSpec]

One case has negative actions by the Indian state.

One case has negative actions by citizens of Pakistan.

The Pakistani state can and has taken the citizens to court. Who would put the hands on the Indian state?

Hence a negative action by a state, is a lot bigger problem and irreparable.

You are an adminstrator of this forum, and you believe Pakistan as a state has not acted against India with kashmir and punjab insurgencies....what world do you live in?

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

We don't need to be friends but the fact remains that Pakistan's exports grew at a phenomenal percentage with India even without granting any leeway from your side(higher than the 'brotherly' nations dear to Pakistan).

Truth is, bilateral trade benefits Pakistan far more than it does India.

At the trade expo recently held, the entire fashion and jewelry stalls of private Pak companies were sold out completely bc of anxious Indian buyers

Understand basic economics and how trade works. Everyone always gains from free trade

Yes Pak would gain but then again so would india (whose producers mislabel their goods to make then
Emiratey or Qatari etc). Point is, trade with even Botswana helps Pakistan. But it isn't essential. Our largest trading partners aren't even in the sub continent

 

[Safriz]

They cant even play cricket with us without being drama queens....and talking about helping us out

 

[KRAIT]

NAFTA wasn't that beneficial for US back in the days. India and China had fought a war, have border issues, territorial claims, interfere directly or indirectly in each other's region, Still they trade with us and by 2015, this trade will touch $ 100 billion according to estimates.

Pakistan has two fastest growing economies in the world with which it shares borders.

Pakistan also share borders with Afghanistan which have trillion of dollars worth resources. Iran is a good trade partner of India and China both. Pakistan can get Natural Gas and Oil from Iran. India, China and Bangladesh and Myanmar are already trading with each other.

So in this region, except Pakistan, all have increasing trade with each other and has potential in becoming major economic block like EU.

Its up to Pakistan if it wants to jump in the band wagon of Economic development or keep the country in stress over a piece of land. Now, the choice is Pakistan's.

 

[Skull and Bones]

Imagine an industrial railway route stretching from Vietnam to Turkey and beyond. @Awesome @Abu Zolfiqar

They cant even play cricket with us without being drama queens....and talking about helping us out

We played hockey without any drama, stop being a sports-racist

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Ok, for a moment lets agree CAR market isn't a profitable proposition for India, but those countries are mineral rich, and a route through Pakistan will be conducive to industrial growth on both countries.

Both countries should give it a try.

All in good time. Let Afghanistan situation fizzle out and let's see what follows in post NATO environment

 

[Rahil khan]

We don't need to be friends but the fact remains that Pakistan's exports grew at a phenomenal percentage with India even without granting any leeway from your side(higher than the 'brotherly' nations dear to Pakistan).

Truth is, bilateral trade benefits Pakistan far more than it does India.

I absolutely agree with you sir. Take one example. If Pakistan sends its crude oil to Indian oil refineries rather than gulf for the refinement, just imagine how tremendous impact its gonna have on our economy.

 

[cyphercide]

At the trade expo recently held, the entire fashion and jewelry stalls of private Pak companies were sold out completely bc of anxious Indian buyers

Understand basic economics and how trade works. Everyone always gains from free trade

Yes Pak would gain but then again so would india (whose producers mislabel their goods to make then
Emiratey or Qatari etc). Point is, trade with even Botswana helps Pakistan. But it isn't essential. Our largest trading partners aren't even in the sub continent

But it isn't free trade, not yet from Pakistan's side. You constantly talk about signing the dotted line but never do. The understanding needs to come from your side as we have accommodated all that we can.


I'm not even remotely suggesting that the absence of bilateral trade would lead to a Pakistani collapse. But we demand credit where it is due.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

NAFTA wasn't that beneficial for US back in the days. India and China had fought a war, have border issues, territorial claims, interfere directly or indirectly in each other's region, Still they trade with us and by 2015, this trade will touch $ 100 billion according to estimates.

Pakistan has two fastest growing economies in the world with which it shares borders.

Pakistan also share borders with Afghanistan which have trillion of dollars worth resources. Iran is a good trade partner of India and China both. Pakistan can get Natural Gas and Oil from Iran. India, China and Bangladesh and Myanmar are already trading with each other.

So in this region, except Pakistan, all have increasing trade with each other and has potential in becoming major economic block like EU.

Its up to Pakistan if it wants to jump in the band wagon of Economic development or keep the country in stress over a piece of land. Now, the choice is Pakistan's.

Why would we need natural gas from India when we are sitting on much larger proven reserves (natural/shale) which in due time and with proper management an investment could negate the need for us to import it (or realistically, reduce imports)

As for Iran - we are working to normalize trade relations (despite barking from the west) and this is something that should contine to be given attention

Yes we share a border with what will be the worlds largest economy. Karakoram Highway and Gwadar are areas we can both continue to cooperate in. Gwadar is China centric with the CARs in mind as a secondary market. New energy corridor will be operational and that can generate Pakistan (like Bin Qasim port on much larger scale) multi fold

 

[Skull and Bones]

All in good time. Let Afghanistan situation fizzle out and let's see what follows in post NATO environment

The ball's in Pakistan's court, hope it won't mess up the situation in Afghanistan like they did after post soviet era.

 

[KRAIT]

@Abu Zolfiqar I said gas and oil from IRAN, not India.

Rest is all up to you. Its never wrong to increase trade with a bigger economy which also helps in normalization of relations and may be in few decades, the next generation will be less hostile to each other.

 

[cyphercide]

I absolutely agree with you sir. Take one example. If Pakistan sends its crude oil to Indian oil refineries rather than gulf for the refinement, just imagine how tremendous impact its gonna have on our economy.

You can count our economic dealings with other neighbors as a yardstick.

Take Bangladesh: We grant them soft loans and unwanted credit and yet they bar our pharma and textile industries.

Take Sri Lanka: Dozens of bilateral projects on the move. They didn't hesitate to tax our automobiles market.

Take Mali, Maldives or African nations ...the list goes on to prove that we do play fair comparatively to the rest of the lot.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

The ball's in Pakistan's court, hope it won't mess up the situation in Afghanistan like they did after post soviet era.

It was a civil war created by Afghans in a country that had witnessed scores of wars and invasions even before your soviet allies came and used their gunships on Afghan villages (with your backing)

Every country will do what is in its best interests and we would never have allowed your primary arms supplier and ally to be in our backyard. It's in the history books for the world to see. We asked our partners in the West to maintain a footprint so as to at least APPEAR to show that post-withdrawal they had nation-building on their mind. They didnt. So instead we took in millions of refugees despite the social and economic costs and now you want to claim that Pakistan created the mess? What was your contribution? Afghans who are informed would know that it was india that backed the soviet expansion into Afghanistan; one which would lead to the deaths of tens of thousands of Afghans, destruction of religious places of worship, and displacing of huge number of people.

of course you bhartis overlook that....but that's your own problem.

@Abu Zolfiqar I said gas and oil from IRAN, not India.

Rest is all up to you. Its never wrong to increase trade with a bigger economy which also helps in normalization of relations and may be in few decades, the next generation will be less hostile to each other.

Maybe