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I don't see anything saying the T-50 is getting a shortened version of the Brahmos. It all refers to the Su-30 getting it. you need to realize also just how much they need to shorten the missile to make it fit inside an internal weapons bay.
It makes no sense that MKI gets weapons, that the NG stealth fighters couldn't use, especially if these weapons are still in development! So it should be clear that the lighter and smaller Brahmos is aimed mainly for Pak Fa / FGFA, but I agree that it could also just mean, they use it on the wing staitions, the point was smaller versions are under development.I don't see anything saying the T-50 is getting a shortened version of the Brahmos. It all refers to the Su-30 getting it. you need to realize also just how much they need to shorten the missile to make it fit inside an internal weapons bay.
Honestly, brahmos won't be carried internally. Pakfa has provision for two external hardpoints for these kind of missiles.
As for stealth, it won't compromise on stealth because the range of brahmos is 290-350 kms, so it will be released way before entering enemy airspace. For other aircraft to detect Pakfa, that aircraft would have to come 50-80 kms near Pakfa. Before that Pakfa would have already launched the Brahmos, thereby not compromising on stealth at all.
It makes no sense that MKI gets weapons, that the NG stealth fighters couldn't use, especially if these weapons are still in development! So it should be clear that the lighter and smaller Brahmos is aimed mainly for Pak Fa / FGFA, but I agree that it could also just mean, they use it on the wing staitions, the point was smaller versions are under development.
I don't see the problem in make the missile smaller, because that depends on what performance it should have at the end (speed, range, warhead size). The frist air launched Brahmos for example will have only 1 booster instead of 2, which makes it shorter, bit it used the speed of the fighter to have the same performance as the land based.
The real problem I see for carrying a later Brahmos internally are the 2 seperated weapon bays that the Pak Fa prototypes has. If you check the pics, you will see that there is a part between them, which might be different at later versions, but with these part such long missiles can't be used there.
The picture you posted is PS btw and shows a landbased version of Brahmos, so don't take that as a base.
Wait a minute was he actually tryin to say "reduce some weight of brahmos"????
If yes i am sorry for my post. Plz do see to it that u use proper words.
And abt the junk thingy that still remains...........blah blah blah
Time will tell, I still see zero sense in putting it on the T-50 UB. It defeats the whole purpose of it's design as a stealthy air superiority fighter. Why put it on the T-50 when the Su-30/35 can do it better. Also while currently Pakistan doesn't have anything to defeat Brahmos effectivly. That will most likely change since it is in the interests of the U.S. to make sure Pakistan can defend itself against the Brahmos.
Why is it not in the US's interest to give Pakistan a nuclear deal. Why is it not in US's interest to allow Pakistan acquire Phalcon technology. Why is it not in US's interest to provide Pakistan drone technology?
Not sure where you are coming from ....
Pakistan is getting drone technology. nuclear deal has nothing to do with strategic defense. not sure on the Phalcon will have to research it more. As relations get better between Pakistan and the U.S. you will see Pakistan getting more technology that in the past the U.S. was resistant to providing. The drones are a recent example. And we still have to wait and see just what the all the upgrades will be on the Perry class frigates Pakistan is getting. If they do install the evolved sea sparrow that will give it's navy the ability to protect itself from Brahmos including the hypersonic version.
Does this make you unhappy?
So are you saying USAF will never use F35 with cruise or stand off missiles? Of course it is a disadvantage for the stealth feature, but that is only one side of the aircraft right? They still have other roles too and F35 in USN might use Harpoon only external, but it still will be a useful fighter or?Time will tell, I still see zero sense in putting it on the T-50 UB. It defeats the whole purpose of it's design as a stealthy air superiority fighter. Why put it on the T-50 when the Su-30/35 can do it better. Also while currently Pakistan doesn't have anything to defeat Brahmos effectivly. That will most likely change since it is in the interests of the U.S. to make sure Pakistan can defend itself against the Brahmos.
No. AWACS cannot 'see' VLO aircraft.How about AWACS! can they see it or not?
Excellent point. I said the same thing in my precious post.If Brahmos (A2G) has to be launched from distance than what is the point in mounting those on T-50? why not on mig-21 or su30!
[/quote]Once Brahmos is launched than there is no need for any more stealth ride. i guess all T-50 in range will be shot at sight, or as you mentioned the detection range as 50-80 km range.
True.Time will tell, I still see zero sense in putting it on the T-50 UB. It defeats the whole purpose of it's design as a stealthy air superiority fighter. Why put it on the T-50 when the Su-30/35 can do it better.
US interests are seeing that Pakistan and its nukes dont fall to religious fundamentalists. As regards to Pakistani capability to defend against Indian attack, Pakistan is on its own, US wont interfere, unless India crosses Pakistan's nuke threshold.Also while currently Pakistan doesn't have anything to defeat Brahmos effectivly. That will most likely change since it is in the interests of the U.S. to make sure Pakistan can defend itself against the Brahmos.
Reply to Thomas: we don't mind having good relations with US but what is the drone example you reffered..Sir?
I know we bought F-16 and MLU kits ...but nothing beyond is on horizon!
As regards to Pakistani capability to defend against Indian attack, Pakistan is on its own, US wont interfere, unless India crosses Pakistan's nuke threshold.