PAK-DA not for us : IAF Official

[jagjitnatt]

The PAK DA is a stratospheric reconnaissance plane.
ability to fly at stratospheric altitudes (50,000 meters) ie 1,50,000ft

read more at :
PAK DA

50,000 meters is the end of Stratosphere. Nothing can fly as high as that. The air is so thin, that even helium, hydrogen balloons don't reach that height.

The current world record is 123,523 feet in a Mig-25M. And that was a special air breather jet. Nothing till date has touched 1,50,000 feet.

All strategic bombers fly in the 40,000-50,000 ft altitude. Same with PAKDA. Internet isn't always right, and there's heap of senseless info out there, don't just believe everything.

 

[Moscow]

So much discussions for a plane which will not be built atleast cant say if some fanboys take out a phtoshop and claim that pakda has flown today and 3 people have seen it , as is the trend in recent times

hard facts pakda nowhere in the pipeline 2016 new bomber planned but its till that just planned and whats fact si the current white swans are being upgraded and will serve long enough in a much better way

 

[Kinetic]

So much discussions for a plane which will not be built atleast cant say if some fanboys take out a phtoshop and claim that pakda has flown today and 3 people have seen it , as is the trend in recent times

hard facts pakda nowhere in the pipeline 2016 new bomber planned but its till that just planned and whats fact si the current white swans are being upgraded and will serve long enough in a much better way

Talking about a plane that will not be test flown before 2025 and even it is uncertain that the project will go on or not!

 

[doctor_who]

moscow you are spot on. russian aviation industry and defense have too much on plate right now to worry about pak-da, they need lot of funding for other programme where they lack and need to catch up and leap ahead.

mostly : missile , fifth gen fighter, awacs , ucavs, satellite weapons, MBT, aircraft carrier , destroyers (naval), small weapons , development of rifles etc.

i dont see russia going for such and expensive plane which is not in demand in international market . so it will be of their own use. but need large funding....

 

[PRACTICAL PATRIOT]

Its not about Buying.... Russia Supported us when we were in Need, the only place where we can Invest is there defense sector as they do no produce much of Consumer goods My bad if they do, As a Good Friend It makes our duty to support there Economy with the necessary Cash Inflows and In return they are Giving the technology transfer Like No other country would ever which Benefits us the Most than the Machine we Buy from them....

Relationship is Valuable than Business....

off course our relationship with RUSSIA is valuable but our own interests come first in any relationship.
friendship and all is rubbish in international relationship its all about interests (proven by admiral gorshkov deal).
and INDIA is not so rich yet to spends billions on something we dont require just to support a friend. instead we are already buying many things which we need (FGFA,MTA.)
and by the way i am sure russian economy doesnt rely only on arm sales. so we can always buy things we need

 

[Moscow]

There is a misconception going around that russian defence industry lacks funds which is a very big misconception and that idea is a case of the 90s and people seemed to have been caged in their thought

russia has moved on but the mindset of people have not they still think they lack funds , what is the fundamental difference is because people dont know many things the soviet arms industry was hugely funded it was a prime source of goverment spending almost negl;ectiong many other sectors which is unlike the case there is need to spend on better infrastructure , industries , healtha nd civic amenities and its not true that funds are lacking with the largest producer of oil , gas , wood , blue water and its huge reserves money is abundant if you dont believe me come have a look in russia is there is funds lacking its never the case , manpower human resource skilled workers might be less and acceptable .....


so the basic misconception about fund is incorrect what is correct is many of hese programs were made almost 20 years ago with a vision of that time current dynamics have changed strategic outlook so according russia modifies itself

 

[doctor_who]

There is a misconception going around that russian defence industry lacks funds which is a very big misconception and that idea is a case of the 90s and people seemed to have been caged in their thought

russia has moved on but the mindset of people have not they still think they lack funds , what is the fundamental difference is because people dont know many things the soviet arms industry was hugely funded it was a prime source of goverment spending almost negl;ectiong many other sectors which is unlike the case there is need to spend on better infrastructure , industries , healtha nd civic amenities and its not true that funds are lacking with the largest producer of oil , gas , wood , blue water and its huge reserves money is abundant if you dont believe me come have a look in russia is there is funds lacking its never the case , manpower human resource skilled workers might be less and acceptable .....


so the basic misconception about fund is incorrect what is correct is many of hese programs were made almost 20 years ago with a vision of that time current dynamics have changed strategic outlook so according russia modifies itself

nobody deny that russian economy is booming yet again.... but still the need of money is too much. for defense purpose russian have the worst rival thats united states.

russian needs are diffrent now they dont need to be sole military super power on their own, as it was aimed during ussr. they have realised they cant exist alone.

but still their requirement is too much so they have to plan their funding. cant just spend like ameircans.

and future war fare is not - fighters or awacs but the space war satellite weapons etc. so these bomber might not be required at all. after 20 yrs.

 

[luckyyy]

So much discussions for a plane which will not be built atleast cant say if some fanboys take out a phtoshop and claim that pakda has flown today and 3 people have seen it , as is the trend in recent times

hard facts pakda nowhere in the pipeline 2016 new bomber planned but its till that just planned and whats fact si the current white swans are being upgraded and will serve long enough in a much better way

you think chief of Air Force Russia, General-Colonel Alexander Zelina is a funboy...?

Russia is developing a stratospheric aircraft, intelligence, air defense for the unattainable
06.08.2009

MOSCOW, August 4 - RIA Novosti. Ministry of Defense of Russia in the coming years will create a number of aircraft, intelligence officers, including a fundamentally new - stratospheric, inaccessible to the enemy air defense systems, told a news chief of Air Force (Air Force) Russia, General-Colonel Alexander Zelina.

"A special role for action in the future aviation surveillance systems should play a new class - high-altitude (stratospheric) manned reconnaissance aircraft, with the possibility of long-term presence in the air and able to monitor the zone of fighting in the deep without being logged in the zone air defenses," - noted Zelina.

According to the Chief, this is caused by a "highly dynamic nature of modern warfare, requiring awareness of the enemy."

Zelina added that in the coming years to replace the existing intelligence AVIACOMPLEX will be a number of modern aircraft, intelligence, able to conduct effective intelligence activities "through the entire depth of the front steps and part of long-range aviation."

To equip future aircraft technology will be developed qualitatively new samples on-board intelligence apparatus for various purposes and "ground handling and communicating intelligence," said head.

"At the same time, increasingly important in addressing the challenges of the intelligence will play an unmanned reconnaissance systems" - said Zelina.

He recalled that at the present time, armed with Russia Air Force reconnaissance aircraft are the Su-24MR and MiG-25RB.

"Their number is so far enough" - said Zelina.

But modern war requires awareness of the enemy, that the Russian Air Force has a fundamental need to upgrade intelligence aircraft, entered head.

 

[jagjitnatt]

you think chief of Air Force Russia, General-Colonel Alexander Zelina is a funboy...?

He is talking about a reconnaissance aircraft, not a bomber.

 

[luckyyy]

He is talking about a reconnaissance aircraft, not a bomber.

you has problums accepting a aircraft can fly at 150000ft..?

 

[Gene]

we don't need strategic bombers in case of war with pakistan,but seeing the vast region of china we might need some strategic bombers.

although missiles are good option,but long ranger bombers will be cost effective..

 

[Moscow]

you think chief of Air Force Russia, General-Colonel Alexander Zelina is a funboy...?

the chief of airstaff does not decide the development program , did you have a look at the date he told that pakda will fly ?

pakda funding is stopped together with many other projects in may 2010

if you have any problems believing me,then have a look yourself and think yourself
recently some other chief said that russia will ahve 200 new aircrafts by 2020 so you take that how as serious that makes 20 new aircrafts a year from today is it



i will tell you whats the problem many of the articles printed in english are translated russian originals which when translated change sthe original meaning and intension , just like the example i told you before those 200 aircrafts story was interpreted wrongly what he meant was 200 together consisting of upgraded and new ones which when translated gave the wrong impression


so read the line sin between what the general said in russian and then have a look if he said that pakda is flying anytime soon

 

[PRACTICAL PATRIOT]

we don't need strategic bombers in case of war with pakistan,but seeing the vast region of china we might need some strategic bombers.

although missiles are good option,but long ranger bombers will be cost effective..

i beg to differ here
the price of this bombers is expected to be around $2 billion which is too costly, so more cost effective solution will be to use either FGFA with brahmos or su 30 MKI with brahmos escorted by FGFA.
this can do job in more cost effective way as well as with what we already have.

 

[Moscow]

solution will be to use either FGFA with brahmos or su 30 MKI with brahmos escorted by FGFA.

Nice idea will live long to see this event , su30mki escorted by fgfa .... why does su30mki need an escort by fgfa by the way

 

[Markus]

The right time to discuss about PAK-DA will be 2015 when we will have some idea about this programme.

So, see you guys in this thread in 2015, untill then