Pak army needs to shift from defensive to offensive posture?

[Signalian]

With less strategic depth and advent of beyond battle field range artillery, defensive posture is no more effective approach for Pak army. We need to eqiup our forces with more offensive weaponery to enable them penetrate deep into enemy territory rather than fighting to hold our own soil.

All strike formations have modern weaponry for offensive operations inside enemy territory. Every weapon is offensive as its capable of damaging enemy whether inside or outside Pakistan.

We should raise 3rd strike corpse in Pano Aqil / Jeccobabad to improve our offensive in south. This can be done using armoured brigades of 5th and 12th corpse. One new infantry division may be raised to support armoured division.

Have you noticed this?

5-Corps has 25th Mechanized Division in this region, which can very well tie down Indian Forces operating in this region. For 25th Mechanized Division, to conduct operations without risk of being flanked, PA has put 26th Mechanized Division further north in Bahawalpur.

and for both the mechanized divisions to operate independently in their areas of responsibility, PA has put 1st Armoured Division north of Bahawalpur in Multan and then 6th Armoured Division further north in Gujranwala.

This has been done, so all the western sectors of Pakistan have atleast one strike formation which has the ability to cross into India.

Where can you see the defensive posture now?

Also we should raise a mountain corpse in Gilgit. This may be done by using existing 5 brigades of Northern Force command and some detachments from 12th division or other formations of 10th corpse.

10 Corps's area of responsibility is the mountain and hilly terrains. Its not officially called a Mountain Corps but if you see the formations under its command, you will get an idea that its already a Mountain Corps type formation.

FCNA - North in Gilgit Skardu area in mountains
12 Infantry Div - North East in mountains covering from God knows to Only God knows where
19 Infantry Div - Mangla region in mountains
23 Infantry Div - Jhelum and poised to go up north in Mountains.

111 Infantry Brigade and 8th IABG are found in the plains of Punjab only.

If you want to increase numbers, there are lots of paramilitary units (scouts) deployed in FCNA AOR and Janbaz/Mujahid battalions in 12 Infantry Div AOR.

The core issue in mountain is not numbers, its mobility.

Small changes.Put a fully capable Air Assault Brigade under 10 Corps and then watch Indian Army cope with this menace. Deploy an MLRS battery in mountains with guided munition. Increase mortar usage in every sector.

 

[Cuirassier]

X Corps will need to implement tactics similar to our WoT operations, especially the PAF element, in it's area of resp.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

All strike formations have modern weaponry for offensive operations inside enemy territory. Every weapon is offensive as its capable of damaging enemy whether inside or outside Pakistan.


Have you noticed this?

5-Corps has 25th Mechanized Division in this region, which can very well tie down Indian Forces operating in this region. For 25th Mechanized Division, to conduct operations without risk of being flanked, PA has put 26th Mechanized Division further north in Bahawalpur.

and for both the mechanized divisions to operate independently in their areas of responsibility, PA has put 1st Armoured Division north of Bahawalpur in Multan and then 6th Armoured Division further north in Gujranwala.

This has been done, so all the western sectors of Pakistan have atleast one strike formation which has the ability to cross into India.

Where can you see the defensive posture now?

10 Corps's area of responsibility is the mountain and hilly terrains. Its not officially called a Mountain Corps but if you see the formations under its command, you will get an idea that its already a Mountain Corps type formation.

FCNA - North in Gilgit Skardu area in mountains
12 Infantry Div - North East in mountains covering from God knows to Only God knows where
19 Infantry Div - Mangla region in mountains
23 Infantry Div - Jhelum and poised to go up north in Mountains.

111 Infantry Brigade and 8th IABG are found in the plains of Punjab only.

If you want to increase numbers, there are lots of paramilitary units (scouts) deployed in FCNA AOR and Janbaz/Mujahid battalions in 12 Infantry Div AOR.

The core issue in mountain is not numbers, its mobility.

Small changes.Put a fully capable Air Assault Brigade under 10 Corps and then watch Indian Army cope with this menace. Deploy an MLRS battery in mountains with guided munition. Increase mortar usage in every sector.

Sir can you post insignias of all our Divs?

 

[313ghazi]

We're incredibly hamstrung by the economy.

PAF wanted J-10 and it was all shelved after the Zardari government tanked the economy.

The economy is essential to our survival.

 

[HANI]

We're incredibly hamstrung by the economy.

PAF wanted J-10 and it was all shelved after the Zardari government tanked the economy.

The economy is essential to our survival.

i dont think we need j 10 bec it can't offer any thing new ...... jf17 and f16 is already there for the job what we need is a long endurance + multi mission + deep strike jet and we all know what fall in this category......

 

[Yaseen1]

for offensive mission we need icbms megaton nuke warheads nuclear submarine aircraft carrier space missions and 5 gen jets which require good economy and education which we lack

 

[Armchair]

All strike formations have modern weaponry for offensive operations inside enemy territory. Every weapon is offensive as its capable of damaging enemy whether inside or outside Pakistan.


Have you noticed this?

5-Corps has 25th Mechanized Division in this region, which can very well tie down Indian Forces operating in this region. For 25th Mechanized Division, to conduct operations without risk of being flanked, PA has put 26th Mechanized Division further north in Bahawalpur.

and for both the mechanized divisions to operate independently in their areas of responsibility, PA has put 1st Armoured Division north of Bahawalpur in Multan and then 6th Armoured Division further north in Gujranwala.

This has been done, so all the western sectors of Pakistan have atleast one strike formation which has the ability to cross into India.

Where can you see the defensive posture now?

10 Corps's area of responsibility is the mountain and hilly terrains. Its not officially called a Mountain Corps but if you see the formations under its command, you will get an idea that its already a Mountain Corps type formation.

FCNA - North in Gilgit Skardu area in mountains
12 Infantry Div - North East in mountains covering from God knows to Only God knows where
19 Infantry Div - Mangla region in mountains
23 Infantry Div - Jhelum and poised to go up north in Mountains.

111 Infantry Brigade and 8th IABG are found in the plains of Punjab only.

If you want to increase numbers, there are lots of paramilitary units (scouts) deployed in FCNA AOR and Janbaz/Mujahid battalions in 12 Infantry Div AOR.

The core issue in mountain is not numbers, its mobility.

Small changes.Put a fully capable Air Assault Brigade under 10 Corps and then watch Indian Army cope with this menace. Deploy an MLRS battery in mountains with guided munition. Increase mortar usage in every sector.

I assume you mean by "Air Assault Brigade" a combination of heliborne, parachuted and attack helicopter supported forces. Would be a very interesting brigade to design. Would some form of artillery be air-liftable to such altitudes?

I'm still partial to the IL-2s as a cheap way to form such forces.

 

[Rank]

This is very simple mathematics in the world... more you small more you aggressive so that your enemy can't bully you.. Here is the problem, Pakistan maintain and enjoy supermacy of aggression against India since long time but Musharaf revert back the entire strategy which backfire badly and now Pakistan limited to its border. This is a message to every country whom enemies is larger than its demo, geo and military you MUST act and behave aggressive to maintain peace and sstability else.. YOU'RE a biG LOOSER and yes PAKISTAN is accept it or not... RS revert the policy but not fully... no idea about the Bajwa, haven't seen any aggressive posture till now.

 

[Wolf]

With less strategic depth and advent of beyond battle field range artillery, defensive posture is no more effective approach for Pak army. We need to eqiup our forces with more offensive weaponery to enable them penetrate deep into enemy territory rather than fighting to hold our own soil.

We should raise 3rd strike corpse in Pano Aqil / Jeccobabad to improve our offensive in south. This can be done using armoured brigades of 5th and 12th corpse. One new infantry division may be raised to support armoured division.

Also we should raise a mountain corpse in Gilgit. This may be done by using existing 5 brigades of Northern Force command and some detachments from 12th division or other formations of 10th corpse.

More armour and artillery needed. Can be done and should be done

 

[Signalian]

I assume you mean by "Air Assault Brigade" a combination of heliborne, parachuted and attack helicopter supported forces. Would be a very interesting brigade to design. Would some form of artillery be air-liftable to such altitudes?

I'm still partial to the IL-2s as a cheap way to form such forces.

Air assault is term used for heliborne forces, could be with attack choppers, but not really for parachute forces which would be termed as airborne.
Air assault Brigade, penetrating at 20-25 different places along LOC in small teams capturing peaks will be a force to reckon with for IA, not necessarily at the same time. This gives much needed mobility in mountain terrain.

OTO Melara 105 mm Mod 56 is pack howitzer which is serving in PA, it can be suitably air lifted.

 

[New World]

We are on the offensive.

chachaji, being offensive is

 

[litman]

IA has huge numerical superiority. they are better equipped as well so how can PA be offensive. PA may attack in one area but then IA will open up border at too many places just like what happened in 65 and then we will be defensive again. so its better not to finger any body. we have seen the results of our aggression in 65 and kargil.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Pakistan appears to be making reasonable progess

a) Proper Missile Program
b) Navy getting due attention
c) Airforce doing the Azm program

 

[newb3e]

We're incredibly hamstrung by the economy.

PAF wanted J-10 and it was all shelved after the Zardari government tanked the economy.

The economy is essential to our survival.

exactly! first there is a need to stop protecting and supportinf these economic terrorist and get all the looted money back and hang them! but well as long as PA generals keeps parterning with these snakes we will never become strong militarily! nukes wont be of any use if generals and politicians keep destroying economy!

 

[Army research]

This is very simple mathematics in the world... more you small more you aggressive so that your enemy can't bully you.. Here is the problem, Pakistan maintain and enjoy supermacy of aggression against India since long time but Musharaf revert back the entire strategy which backfire badly and now Pakistan limited to its border. This is a message to every country whom enemies is larger than its demo, geo and military you MUST act and behave aggressive to maintain peace and sstability else.. YOU'RE a biG LOOSER and yes PAKISTAN is accept it or not... RS revert the policy but not fully... no idea about the Bajwa, haven't seen any aggressive posture till now.

Exercises were of offense early examples are zarb e momin era, musharaff made us defensive , kiyani revert a bit with azm e nau , rs tho initially carried away with zarb e azb wot etc then proceeded to carry out rad ul barq etc and more importantly direct speeches , hoping for another zarb e momin type exercise when wot finishes