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Pak Army isn't capable of fighting and Bajwa's Kashmir deal with India

Thanks for understanding that English is not my first language; just as logic is not your strong suit, evidently.

We have initiated and fought 3 wars with India and all failed to achieve our political goals. And that was when India was much weaker. Today India has state of the art weapons from all across the globe and a consistently growing economy which means that she can wage a war a lot longer than we can. In addition, the world is India's friend whereas we at best have some who consider us for our glorious relations in the past. We hold neither any conventional nor any strategic advantage over India and hence any talk of war or of taking Kashmir by force is not just senseless, it is outright retarded

Defeat is a state of mind; no one is very defeated until defeat has been accepted as a reality.

So basically what you are saying is we do not need any army as we have already lost it, rather the whole idea of partition and independence should be rolled back and we should either merge back with India or be a client state. India has claims on GB & AJK so maybe we should start by handing over that first?

No wonder you are always defending PDM parties. You are more disappointing than an unsalted pretzel. It’s impossible to underestimate you. :lol:

As for Bajwa ...... no operation or response, even Air or Naval, can take place without the explicit approval of the Army Chief and so, once again, the mere thought of Bajwa's shaking legs is just as retarded as is the consideration in the point above; it was the ISPR Spokesperson from the Army which had warned India to expect a swift and decisive response!
It is a well documented and established fact that Bajwa was not interested in responding, it was the PM along with Air and Naval chief's who took the stand.

Baki "main na mano" ka kuch nahi hou sakta
 
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Bullshit now come on. I understand the 22nd Graders are loser but that doesn't mean in the hatred you discount the fact that we Pakistani are incapable of Fighting Disgtuing creatures that walk on two legs, In fact Even during 65 far barring Rann of Kutch where we fingered with them, the shitehads even with massive force and firepower resulted in Stalemate, The Ugly monkeys can only Fantasize fighting us in Bollywood and not otherwise
 
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That was right after modi jizzed in him
Unfortunately, we always give benefits of the doubt to the generals, but hardly to the politicians. A corrupt politician in a democracy is better than an honest general in a military-ruled autocracy....
 
1. It was the trial of a Chinese Tank whereas our operational MBT's are perfectly fine to go to war at a moment's notice.

No

2. Well we don't, we judge them on their actions just like we judge the Military on it's actions and Bajwa's response to IAF action is written in history.

We very well do, that has been the practice in the country since so many years. Just have a look. Secondly, are we now going to attribute the PAF response to Bajwa as well now? There are multiple sources on record (other than PTI) that agree to Bajwa's conciliatory response and the PAF and PN going for the aggressive option.

Or are you saying that Bajwa ordered IK to give the go ahead for the strike? Let's not go there again.

3. I also want to be friends with India. We cannot change our neighbours and hence the most sensible thing to do is to befriend India; It's also in Indian interest to have excellent relations with us.

No one is saying don't be friends with India. But then don't bring up the 'Kashmir ka sauda kar lia' rhetoric either. PPP and PML had a whole campaign labeling IK as a traitor and the saudagar of Kashmir. But now suddenly when everyone gets to know it was Bajwa who was vying for it, it becomes the better option? Can't have this hypocrisy sir.

We as a nation really need to stop giving the estab an undue role in everything, from politics to foreign affairs to agriculture. Each and every politician is guilty of it across the spectrum. IK was guilty of it before, and the current lot is too, just have a look at Shahbaz's speech the other day. Try and pick up your own weight ffs and present yourself as credible enough to the international community so that you don't have to call the big guy again and again.

This might be anecdotal, but I heard once from someone within the FO that the world knows Pakistani foreign policy is dictated by the estab, and no one takes our foreign ministers (most of them) seriously, especially not these days when you have Khar and Billo going about in a totally disjoint manner. The US ambassador takes his orders not from the FO, but from somewhere else these days. Yeh haal hai hamari government ka is waqt.
 
We can take india any day..
Just give us NOC .TO build bharriya towns there also..
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I am not asking the Pak military leadership to be a Don Quixote, but with this mentality you've already lost it before firing a single bullet....

The Pak generals are yet to match "We'll not think to retaliate, but we will retaliate"! The rest are all Fasa Fiso....

Hence, I noted: the PMA cadets commision as cobras, but the PA generals retire as garden snakes (@Raja Porus).....

*Six centuries of the Ottoman Empire got lost in six years of rule by the coup mongers. The coup mongers lose both the military and war. Only after the purging of the coup mongers following the 2016 coup attempt, the Turkish military is showing success in the field. As for the PA coup mongers, the least said the better for some PDF members take it way too personally. I have a family member from the generals staffs who used to have the operational maps hanging beside his bed.
**Once the coup mongers/perpetrators are gone Kashmir is yours by HIS PERMISSION.

Ottomans were pretty much owned by European powers for the past 300 years. They were nicknamed sick man of Europe

if they can't fight India
then why the hell do they gobble up so much of the Budget, and why in the world is the armed forces so huge in numbers?

I could not answer the question

1. to prevent India from occupying Pakistan
2. of course to rule Pakistan
 
It was the same Punjab regiment (present day Pakistan army) that sided with Britain and retreated during the mutiny of 1857. Punjab has never given rise to empires, and has been subject to defeat and humiliation for the last 800 years by Arabs, Turks, Afghans, and Persians. There is a reason for this.
The Punjabis came to power in Pakistan only because of the British. Otherwise, if India was not divided, Punjab would still be under Maratha or Rajput rule. If India was divided, Punjab would be under Pashtun rule.
 

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