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Pak Army isn't capable of fighting and Bajwa's Kashmir deal with India

India is economically and militarily increasing the gap with Pakistan, there's no way Pakistan as a nation can take on India. Considering the fact that in a few years some half a dozen Indian states will have individual GDP sizes more than entire Pakistan. Today there's Maharashtra only, tomorrow Karnataka, Tamil Nadu, Gujarat and Uttar Pradesh GDP will overtake entire Pakistan. And in a decade even some individual cities of India along with some more states will also overtake Pakistan's economy as well.

Some might laugh on this post of mine, but its inevitable considering Pakistan's economic crisis has caused the country to stagnate.

With plenty of money Indian military will have ample resources to do shopping of weapons. Be it for aircraft carriers, fighter jets, tanks, artillery, missiles of various kind, drones, submarines etc etc something which Pakistani state as of now is incapable of.

Also with huge economic clout comes huge diplomatic clout, which will ensure India always has the upper hand in the region.
 
No position at the moment sure. But whose job is it to make sure it will be in that position in the future?
That's the whole problem with these generals isn't? Take over the country, run it into the ground, kick out the one party that is willing & capable of improving our economic & diplomatic situation & then bitch & complain you're not in a position to compete.
It is the Military's job I guess and I don't blame them for any of the Military's acquisition up till 1990. However, after that, procurement of Military equipment from the US was unreasonable even when we were getting equipment against CSF. The conditions attached with F-16's and the constant threat of sanctions is just insane. I was critical when PAF placed an order for 36 F-16's B-52+ before in 2005 before the order was halved due to the devastating earthquake.

We should have looked to France for the Jets at that time as those did not come with conditions.

P.S. your comment on a party being kicked out despite willing and capable if improving the economic and diplomatic situation; I seriously hope you did not mean PTI because I must have hundreds of posts debunking the myth on both accounts.

FYI, Kashmir in the hands of India is against our national security. Giving it up is not an option. Making excuses is not being rational. It's downright treasonous. Kashmir can be taken back if you use some creative thinking & belief in Allah (Swt).
The solution being worked on ever since Musharraf and Vajpayee attempted to resolve the long standing, bloody issue was demilitarization of entire Kashmir, the turning of LoC to IB after which our other issues could also be worked out. By National Security I take it you mean the water issue? Any idea how much water we already waste because of not building dams and the excessive waste of water in irrigation due to obsolete technology (no drip irrigation still), theft and tax-free use?

1) Hold a referendum in GB & AJK ASAP with international observers. They will obviously choose Pak. India on the other hand will be reluctant to hold referendum. Simultaneously, make sure to start awareness of Indian attempts to change demographics. Take this to UN as proof that Kashmiris want to be with Pak & India is an oppressive occupier who isn't letting them exercise their free choice. Threaten the UNSC that if they don't hold a meeting to either force india to hold a free & fair Kashmiri-only referendum or recognize Kashmir as Pakistani territory, Pak will go to war even if it means nuclear war. If India refuses to hold the referendum or rigs it, use this as justification to support the Kashmiri rebellion. If UNSC refuses to do anything, bait india into climbing the escalation ladder as proof to the UNSC that you're willing to make good on your threats.
2) Start a Syrian-style rebellion. Create a gov in exile with a "free J&K army". Make sure that this is the only insurgent group like the Afg Taliban did to ensure unity. Call a Kashmir conference to force OIC states to recognize it & donate to it. Hold a "friends of Kashmir" conference every time you need more. Use that money to rekindle rebellion. Support rebellions against any state that doesn't toe your line. Bring the Kashmiri leaders on state trips to raise awareness.
3) Spread Indian forces thin by starting Khalistan insurgency & supporting maoists in the east. I'm sure we can work out something with the Chinese or even friendly elements in Bangladesh to support the maoists. Also start a southern Indian separatist movement. Or a Dalit rebellion.
4) Repair relationship with Bangladesh by giving official state apology. Don't agree to genocide but acknowledge the wrongs we actually committed. Use this as a step to increase influence in Bangladesh for activities mentioned above.
5) Use the Iran-Saudi thaw to further relations with both of them. Use this & Chinese influence to end Iranian support of Indian terrorism in Baluchistan.
6) If we don't have an agreement with China regarding joint ops against india in case of war.
7) Work towards building a European Union style Islamic state with yourself as the core to increase economic diplomatic & military strength.
8) Build a BMD
9) Set up a worldwide propaganda network. Plenty of muslims willing to work for free even. Target not just india but also expat Indians & pro-indian politicians. So much to work with here.
10) Contrary to others, I'm in favour of trade with india albeit only if it's done concurrently with above steps & favourable for us e.g. we can import raw goods & export finished ones. We can take a step towards it by allowing international companies who move their production here to trade with India. Unlike us, China has a very smart approach to their dispute with India. Make sure to sit the Kashmiris down so that they're on board.
1. A referendum will either never take place, as India will not allow it; or it will take place once India has altered the dynamics and made sure that there are more Hindus in the population count than there are Muslims. Plus the fact that people of occupied Kashmir have no interest in living under Pakistan.....recall operation Gibraltar? You may also note that the world stands with India on diplomatic matters as India is a major financial power and most important countries have trade ties which they do not want to jeopardize because of Pakistan.
2. And get declared as a rouge state sponsoring terrorism? get on the FATF Black list? get on UNSC abn lists etc.?
3. Again, refer to point 2 above.
4. Repair relations and gain influence on Bangladesh for what exactly? And can this influence be more than the Indian influence?
5. You don't realize that both Iran and Saudi Arabia have much better relations with India than Pakistan?
6. ??
7. Seriously?? And antagonize Saudi Arabia even more?
8. With several interlapping layers, could that be as multu-layered and multi-vendor as the Indian BMD?
9. Again, to what end? They already have a population of a Billion and have roots deeper and stronger all over the world than we do.
10. India will trade with us even when we follow the steps you want us to follow?
 
People are getting surprised by Bajwa statements. Anyone with basic knowledge of war, military and economy could have concluded that automatically.
 
My only question is why Hamid Mir was silent for the last one year? As far as my opinion is concerned, General Bajwa must have highlighted some limitations, not a blatant statement like these anchors are saying that we are not capable of fighting....in ko bhi masala lagana achi tarah aata hai.
Imran riyaz have explained this 24+ of jurnists were called of the record meeting they can not disclose the meeting MOM but they have to make ground for peace with india
 
They got no fuel for war but they got plenty fuel to bring model girls
from Europe to ISI safe houses to make secret videos of all Generals,
Judges, Politicians and anyone they want to blackmail.

Khusra Anjuman is using ISI plane to even bring in skin specialists
from France to see him. lol
 
It's a no brainer, goes without saying.

An army whose top brass is interested in plots and permits, there lust for money including green dollars, green card is unending, the greed and hunger for more plots, agri land, housing societies including DHA, banks to fertilizer, meat to other business have taken prominence over security and patriotism, the actual duty assigned is all gone.

Turned into real Estate, property developers over a period of years, this kind of greedy, corrupt, crooked, arrogant and ignorant army cannot fight and win a war.

Indian army is scared of the foot soldiers and lower rank and file, who are staunchly patriotic, the reason India haven't ventured into.
 
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All I am saying is that perhaps Bajwa tried to explain the reality that Pakistan is in no position to go to war against India, especially on account of Kashmir, as such an offensive war would immediately result in imposition of global sanctions on Pakistan including on supply of arms and weapons to Pakistan after which our Jets will eventually be grounded after running out of armaments and spares amongst other West centric equipment.
Besides F16, what major ticket item is western?
Almost all of are Army equiopment is either indigenous or Chinese, saving Artillery and the artillery is overhauled locally.
Navy is either French, Chinese or indigenous.
Air Force (beside the aforementioned F16) is all Chinese.
 
Besides F16, what major ticket item is western?
Almost all of are Army equiopment is either indigenous or Chinese, saving Artillery and the artillery is overhauled locally.
Navy is either French, Chinese or indigenous.
Air Force (beside the aforementioned F16) is all Chinese.
Mirages, most of the reliable and battle tested armament such as AMRAAM etc., Augusta Submarines amongst others; P-3C Orions, Helos (almost all of them), Artillery and many many more.....
 
It's a no brainer, goes without saying.

An army whose top brass is interested in plots and permits, there lust for money including green dollars, green card is unending, the greed and hunger for more plots, agri land, housing socities including DHA, banks to fertilizer, meat to other business have taken prominence over security and patriotism, the actual duty assigned is all gone.

Turned into real Estate, property developers over a period of years, this kind of greedy, corrupt, crooked, arrogant and ignorant army cannot fight and win a war.

Indian army is sacred of the foot soldiers and lower rank and file, who are staunch patriotic, the reason India haven't ventured into.
This is why he Bajwa “my legs are shaking”said we cannot fight India.. what he was trying to say is that … “we officers don’t want to fight, we would rather spend our time in property wheeling dealing, making videos, shouting and abusing at foot soldiers and playing golf.. we’re not cut out for this ‘war fighting thing’. We joined the army to have a good time, boozing, doing hanky panky with each others wives, getting big houses, cars, being saluted at guards of honor, getting cushy jobs after retirement…

We officers like all the above and will not hesitate to fight to our last breadth to protect our God given rights to the all the above..

But if you ask us to fight against India.. then take a hike.. it’s not what we signed up for.. “
 
All I am saying is that perhaps Bajwa tried to explain the reality that Pakistan is in no position to go to war against India, especially on account of Kashmir, as such an offensive war would immediately result in imposition of global sanctions on Pakistan including on supply of arms and weapons to Pakistan after which our Jets will eventually be grounded after running out of armaments and spares amongst other West centric equipment.
Besides F16, what major ticket item is western?
Almost all of are Army equiopment is either indigenous or Chinese, saving Artillery and the artillery is overhauled locally.
Navy is either French, Chinese or indigenous.
Air Force (beside the aforementioned F16) is all Chinese.
Are all locally ovrhauled, the OEM has long since stopped making spares and more to the point, being phased out.
most of the reliable and battle tested armament such as AMRAAM etc
Only on the F16 and we have alternatives.
., Augusta Submarines amongst others;
is French. The upcoming Hangor is Chinese.
P-3C Orions,
Being replaced
Helos (almost all of them)
Most of our heavy lift helos are Russian and European in origin.
, Artillery and many many more.....
Only the 155mm M109 and M198.

Evidently your patriotism is not to the country but to personalities and hence your confusion. In my books, whoever solved Kashmir issue for Pakistan deserves to be held up as high as the founding father Jinnah.


The Americans razed Afghanistan to the ground........and then decided to rebuild it. Indians would not be so kind, they would not bother to fix the damage they would eventually cause in a full fledged war. In any war, we too would inflict damage on them as long as our Western weapon system last, when we run out of them, we will have to rely on China whose equipment is not battle tested. Furthermore, there is no evidence to suggest that China would even entertain a scenario where Pakistan goes to war against India.

Why the Indians don't attack Pakistan? Because they are not stupid, they are content getting stronger both militarily and financially. Pretty soon they will have a defining advantage over Pakistan in conventional terms, if not achieved already. Your flaw is that you are dreaming of fighting a war while depending on another country to provide you weapons.....weapons for which you have no money. Fools paradise it is called.
There is no full on war scenario with India that doesn't turn nuclear. Which means that submission fantasy of getting whopped by India isn't happening.
 
1- Don't know about telling to the media, but there was a big scandal within the military and it was discussed in a CC conference as well when some trials of a tank failed and the army had to go into overdrive to procure new armor.
That a lot of our AFV and artillery was worn out due to use in the FATA ops was well known and was discussed openly including here back in the late 2010's. The expansion of HIT and the development and procurement of new systems like the AK-1, and VT4/Haider and SH15 SP Arty, plus greatly enhanced overhauling capacity for the existing systems.
 

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