Pak Army Aviation helicopter hard landing under fire

[Icarus]

it would be nice if the heli was guarded by Cobra

In a flight formation, that would be the case but this was a rescue operation and Cobras are not good for precision kill situations which is why the Bell and Fennecs were flying alone.

 

[Imran Khan]

In a flight formation, that would be the case but this was a rescue operation and Cobras are not good for precision kill situations which is why the Bell and Fennecs were flying alone.

and both were unarmed a cave man loaded with AK-47 bring them down .

 

[Burhan Wani]

ether PTV is liar or our general rest upon you

According to the picture it is a direct hit to the tail.
7.62 mm is lethal cartridge.

 

[Icarus]

and both were unarmed a cave man loaded with AK-47 bring them down .

As long as the crew survived, its nothing. Material loss is acceptable any day over the loss of life.

According to the picture it is a direct hit to the tail.
7.56 mm is lethal cartridge.

The Ts were armed with AP rounds.

 

[Indus Falcon]

our stupid forces sometime park AWACS in front of terrorists and sometime P-3Cs to bomb them and if in any case terrorists attack a facility where there is no air assets our brave forces by themselves help taliban and send something to hit it ? what more called stupidity ?????????

Imran Bhai calm down. You must understand, what the heli was doing, it was conducting a "medivac" in a HOT Zone. Chopper pilots are trained for such contingencies. The life, the heli was sent to save was MORE important than the chopper. Combat losses are to be expected, and we are prepared for them. Unfortuantely we did not have Cobra's to back them up, since they were deployed somewhere else.

The AWACS is a different story. One on which I'd rather not comment on.

 

[Burhan Wani]

As long as the crew survived, its nothing. Material loss is acceptable any day over the loss of life.



The Ts were armed with AP rounds.

Armour piercing?
which cartdidges 7.62 or 5.56?

 

[Icarus]

Armour piercing?
which cartdidges 7.62 or 5.56?

7.62mm

 

[Secret Service]

 

[Imran Khan]

As long as the crew survived, its nothing. Material loss is acceptable any day over the loss of life.



The Ts were armed with AP rounds.

jee sir jee aik din sary jhaaz aysy tabah kara ker afghaniyoo ke trah hathoo se larna phir

 

[Burhan Wani]

7.62mm

I was expecting this.

 

[Imran Khan]

Imran Bhai calm down. You must understand, what the heli was doing, it was conducting a "medivac" in a HOT Zone. Chopper pilots are trained for such contingencies. The life, the heli was sent to save was MORE important than the chopper. Combat losses are to be expected, and we are prepared for them. Unfortuantely we did not have Cobra's to back them up, since they were deployed somewhere else.

The AWACS is a different story. One on which I'd rather not comment on.

haan jee her baar wo a ker air equpment destroy ker ke marty raheen or hum yahan safaiyaan dety rahy or apni forces ko wah wah shabash dety raheen . since years and years we are doing it here humara or kaam kya hai . sahi ya ghalat apni fauj ki wah wah kareen . kam is kam APC per injured ko nikal ker safe zone tak to le aaty itna to aqal ho ga janab ke pass ? tab heli mangwaty .

 

[!eon]

Even why PAF has camp in that area, which had remained favorite target for terrorists since many years.
PAF and Navy had always been easy to target, and same wall breaking is used by attackers again and again.
They should have exchange this camp with army and move somewhere inside Peshawar.

Hey but no, security has been tightend. Same BS repeated every time.

look like our forces are more stupid then our thoughts when there was ongoing terror operation they send a helicopter to recovery mission and it was hot cake target for taliban . and here is result of 2.5 millions dollars brand new helicopter lose .

hats off to taliban victory now

 

[Black Richi Rich]

i urge everyone on here not to trust ISPR, they are known for making up stories, The pilot of the helo confirmed he took a hit from enemy fire, ISPR now has denied this who would you rather believe the guy who was flying the helo or the guy sitting behind the desk 100 miles away from the action

 

[Icarus]

jee sir jee aik din sary jhaaz aysy tabah kara ker afghaniyoo ke trah hathoo se larna phir

Sir aap fikar na karen, jis din humaray pass heli na huay, hum woh bhi khud bana lain gay. For the moment, we cannot fret over material loss in the line of duty. Yehi jahaz agar khara tabah hota toh mujhe dukh hota magar kaam main zaya honay wali cheez apna kaam kartay jaye toh bura nahi lagta.

i urge everyone on here not to trust ISPR, they are known for making up stories, The pilot of the helo confirmed he took a hit from enemy fire, ISPR now has denied this who would you rather believe the guy who was flying the helo or the guy sitting behind the desk 100 miles away from the action

And the man 5000 miles away from the action is the go-to guy for the trustworthiness certificate of national institutions. Sure.

 

[Spectre]

Sir the Taliban attacked with 14 attackers, the largest assault ever planned. Their press releases indicate they were looking for at least 300 kills with this operation. Limiting them to 30m of their breach and keeping the casualty to 29 is nothing short of a miracle in my opinion.

Indeed a commendable job, horrible and sad though the attack was - one should not ignore the silver linings.

If we dig through similar situations in past - small number of attackers have managed to extract a highly disproportionate toll which was limited in this case:

Word Terrorist was used for the first time I think in 1795 by Edmund Burke against Jacobians. The conflict lasted for two years and left 17,000 people dead. The tools may have changed but Terrorists with the advantage of surprise and Kamikaze attitude have always been a tough nut to crack.

I see many people criticizing the security establishment but they should note even the most secure and powerful countries can only react and limit the damage and not prevent it. After all these terrorists are mostly zealots, deranged fanatics with no sense of self-preservation - short of dropping a nuke or large scale indiscriminate genocide their are no easy solutions. It is very easy to point fingers and pontificate about short comings with the benefit of hind-sight but such actions often are counter-productive and end up de-moralizing the men in fatigues.

I am not saying constructive criticism and debate and review of short- comings is not needed. It is most essential but perhaps people should research a bit more before joining the mob - that is all I am asking. Hurling accusations when emotional and hurt are not the way to go

Apologies if it is out of context but I have listed some lesser known terrorist attacks below for those who are unaware that such incidents can and do happen in all places and have been happening for quite a while. The casualties are often ten or twenty times that of attackers and hence PA should be congratulated rather being lampooned for mitigating the damage.

King David Hotel Bombing

On July 22, 1946, the rebellious right-wing Zionist group, Irgun, carried out an offensive against the British by bombing the British Administrative Headquarters for Palestine, which was housed at the King David Hotel. This terrorist campaign concluded with the death of 91 people from various nationalities and injured 46 others. This is considered the deadliest terrorist attack to occur during the British Mandate era from 1920 to 1948.

The Cinema Rex Fire

The arson, which happened in a cinema in Abadan, Iran on August 19, 1978 cost the lives of 470 individuals, most of them unidentified due to the extent of the burns. When an Iranian newspaper reported that it was started by radical Islamists, it was shut down by the Islamic government, however, it was later found out that anti-Shah militants were behind the fire.

The Grand Mosque Seizure

This terrorist act, which occurred from November 20, 1979 to December 5, 1979, was a takeover by the Islamists dissidents of Mecca, the holiest place in Islam. The insurgents’ leader, Mohammed Abdullah al-Qahtani, declared that he is the “Mahdi” or “redeemer” of Islam and all the Muslims should obey him. Hundreds of pilgrims who were present for the annual “hajj” were taken as hostages and a number of them were killed along with the rebels in the crossfire that ensued for the control of the site. The siege ended with the death of 255 pilgrims and militants with 500 injured.

Beirut Barracks Bombing

One of the major acts of terrorism in the 1980s, the event happened on October 23, 1983 at the height of the Lebanese Civil War, when two truck bombs exploded near the housing of US and French military forces. The attack against the multinational forces in Lebanon was claimed by the organization Islamic Jihad, the nom de guere for Hezbollah who was receiving help from the Islam Republic of Iran. The explosives, which were equivalent to 5400 kg of TNT, resulted in the deadliest single-day death toll for the US Marine Corps with casualties that included 241 servicemen.

Pan Am Flight 103

Also known as the ‘Lockerbie Bombing,’ this event happened on December 21, 1988 in a Pan Am transatlantic flight from London Heathrow Airport on its way to JFK International Airport in New York. The Boeing 747-121, “Clipper Maid of the Seas,” exploded killing all 243 passengers aboard as well as its 16 crewmembers before it crashed in Lockerbie, Scotland killing 11 more on the ground. A three-year joint investigation of the Scottish police and the US FBI resulted in the arrest of 2 Libyan nationals who were handed over by the Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi. Gaddafi also paid compensation to the victims’ families, though maintaining that he did not personally order the attack which resulted in more conspiracy theories.

US Embassy Bombings

This is a series of terrorist attacks on US Embassies in the East African cities of Nairobi, and Dar es Slaam on August 7, 1998, which was the 8th anniversary of the arrival of US forces in Saudi Arabia. The truck bomb explosions were linked to the local terrorist group of al Qaeda, headed by Osama bin Laden. The trucks, which were laden with 3 to 17 tons of high explosive materials detonated simultaneously, with over 200 dead and thousands wounded as a result. Though it was directed at American facilities, most of the victims were local citizens with only 12 Americans casualties.

The Al Hillah Bombings

This terrorist attack was committed against Shia Muslims, who were on their way to a pilgrim in Al Hillah on March 6, 2007. Two suicide bombers donning explosive vests mingled with the crowd who were celebrating a traditional festival. It claimed the lives of nearly 200 people.

Yazidi Communities Bombing

The second deadliest attacks ever committed after 9-11, it happened on August 14, 2007 when four corresponding suicide bombs exploded in the towns of Yazidi and Jazeera. The most deadly car bomb assault under major US combat operations, it had estimated casualties of 796 while 1, 562 people were injured. The two tons of explosives that the 3 cars and a fuel tanker carried crumbled buildings, trapping everyone beneath, while others wrecked and flattened entire neighborhoods.