Pak Afghan Border Clashes Continue

[kabooter_maila]

Thats why PA should invade Kunar Nuristan Khost with scorched earth policy. Burn everything and everyone, poision the water crops and make it arid so nobody settles. Bunkerbuster sorties on the caves to smoke them out.

Pure emotions and non-sense.

 

[CHI RULES]

Pure emotions and non-sense.

The response from Pak was not sufficient in the past nor now and country shall face consequences in future due to soft replies.

 

[kabooter_maila]

The response from Pak was not sufficient in the past nor now and country shall face consequences in future due to soft replies.

Want an active war on your western border too? That's exactly your enemies want. Solve this Afghan problem with hikmat and national unity (both are distant realities at the moment). The whole logic of creating, arming, actively supporting the terrorists of TTP was monolithically aimed at engaging and bleeding PA. Pak was able to get itself out of that deadly trap after it had a government supported by the nation (Musharraf's tailor-made democracy and Zardari's foreign imposed democracy had no real roots in people of Pakistan). Now that we were expecting Pak to launch a counter attack on those who imposed a covert war on us, our generals decided to conquer Islamabad first. We are at the slippery slop yet once more. We need not blaming any one else but ourselves. Rejecting actions taken by chief executive (i.e. PM) office by the spokesman of a subordinate department (ISPR) tells all the tale. I hope our generals take a dose of sanity, shed their silly ego, start working under civilian government, and we'll then have a chance. Playing with the national fabric (and politics is the surface/face of that fabric) with political engineering will not bring any good to us. We lost half of the country under a dictator, Siachin under another one, got embroiled into the WoT yet by a third one. Now you start a war on your western front, we'll be bound to lose something else. Not to Afghan army - rather to our much bigger and resourceful real enemies. Let's pray to Allah Almighty to help us.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Want an active war on your western border too? That's exactly your enemies want. Solve this Afghan problem with hikmat and national unity (both are distant realities at the moment). The whole logic of creating, arming, actively supporting the terrorists of TTP was monolithically aimed at engaging and bleeding PA. Pak was able to get itself out of that deadly trap after it had a government supported by the nation (Musharraf's tailor-made democracy and Zardari's foreign imposed democracy had no real roots in people of Pakistan). Now that we were expecting Pak to launch a counter attack on those who imposed a covert war on us, our generals decided to conquer Islamabad first. We are at the slippery slop yet once more. We need not blaming any one else but ourselves. Rejecting actions taken by chief executive (i.e. PM) office by the spokesman of a subordinate department (ISPR) tells all the tale. I hope our generals take a dose of sanity, shed their silly ego, start working under civilian government, and we'll then have a chance. Playing with the national fabric (and politics is the surface/face of that fabric) with political engineering will not bring any good to us. We lost half of the country under a dictator, Siachin under another one, got embroiled into the WoT yet by a third one. Now you start a war on your western front, we'll be bound to lose something else. Not to Afghan army - rather to our much bigger and resourceful real enemies. Let's pray to Allah Almighty to help us.

Pakistan never lost "half our country in 1971". bangladesh is 6× smaller than Pakistan. Since when did 1/6=1/2....

 

[CHI RULES]

Want an active war on your western border too? That's exactly your enemies want. Solve this Afghan problem with hikmat and national unity (both are distant realities at the moment). The whole logic of creating, arming, actively supporting the terrorists of TTP was monolithically aimed at engaging and bleeding PA. Pak was able to get itself out of that deadly trap after it had a government supported by the nation (Musharraf's tailor-made democracy and Zardari's foreign imposed democracy had no real roots in people of Pakistan). Now that we were expecting Pak to launch a counter attack on those who imposed a covert war on us, our generals decided to conquer Islamabad first. We are at the slippery slop yet once more. We need not blaming any one else but ourselves. Rejecting actions taken by chief executive (i.e. PM) office by the spokesman of a subordinate department (ISPR) tells all the tale. I hope our generals take a dose of sanity, shed their silly ego, start working under civilian government, and we'll then have a chance. Playing with the national fabric (and politics is the surface/face of that fabric) with political engineering will not bring any good to us. We lost half of the country under a dictator, Siachin under another one, got embroiled into the WoT yet by a third one. Now you start a war on your western front, we'll be bound to lose something else. Not to Afghan army - rather to our much bigger and resourceful real enemies. Let's pray to Allah Almighty to help us.

Thks for ur detailed reply however in Military prospective the response was necessary, Afghans cannot wage war against Pak yet shall test our nerves again and again. One or two befitting replies are must. The Idea of Taliban was not wrong and paying of in a sense that USA/Afghan puppet Govt got stuck in Afghanistan other wise we shall have been sandwiched between India and Afghan/Irani border.
Despite or own faults the country is standing tall and people who believe in it are there whether military or civilian. We need management and learning from past and move on. Certainly blame game and inner conflict between Govt/Military is not good.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Due to the continuing dazzling success of CPEC, the recent afghan border clash is a desperate, dying and pathetic attempt by our enemies to try to curb our progress. As usual it didn't work.

 

[sparten]

This one is harsh, this one is killing and a reason for the raise of hate against Punjabi. Instead of recognizing someone's problems and look for the solution, you are suggesting to surrender to it.
Do you remember in start of operation zarb-e-azb Punjab govt banned entry to IDPs into punjab?
Secondary a lot of people did, moved to other parts of Pakistan, Rao Anwar killed about 440 peoples in last couple of years in encounters, All of them were Pashtoon. So what if they move to other areas if they had to get killed.
And yes I foresee PTM and armed movement, and that is because of government not ready to listen.
Do you know, Mullah Fazlullah's movement was a peaceful movement for about 4 years, and they picked guns in his fifth year.

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Well well well, on the one hand you call for Army to leave FATA and stand down its alert and in the same breath threaten another armed uprising.
Don't worry mara, we'll pummel PTM just like all the others.

What you fail to realise is that Pakistan and Pakistanis are not perturbed easily. Threats to raise an armed uprising don't scare us and the time we listened to non state actors threatening sedition under the guise of legitamate things like Islamic law and constitutional rights are in the past.

 

[Winchester]

All of them were Pashtoon.

Completely false.

Koi aqal istimal karu bhai....even in the Naqeeb encounter two men from Punjab were killed \

https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/2...judicially-by-rao-anwar-along-with-naqeebulah

Most encounters happen in Punjab, by Punjab police against Punjabis.

https://nation.com.pk/10-Feb-2018/870-killed-in-fake-punjab-police-encounters-imran

The whole Punjabi Lashkare Jhangwi leadership was wiped out in an encounter. In Karachi encounters started happening because before the operation, TTP had virtual control of areas like Manghopir.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=11&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi0qK-khcvaAhUMzbwKHSAdCA4QFghYMAo&url=http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/29/world/asia/taliban-extending-reach-across-pakistan.html&usg=AOvVaw0UHAoqEbqy23LelY2CEvDr

Do you know, Mullah Fazlullah's movement was a peaceful movement for about 4 years, and they picked guns in his fifth year.

You folks have lost it.

 

[TMA]

Completely false.

Koi aqal istimal karu bhai....even in the Naqeeb encounter two men from Punjab were killed \

https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/2...judicially-by-rao-anwar-along-with-naqeebulah

Most encounters happen in Punjab, by Punjab police against Punjabis.

https://nation.com.pk/10-Feb-2018/870-killed-in-fake-punjab-police-encounters-imran

The whole Punjabi Lashkare Jhangwi leadership was wiped out in an encounter. In Karachi encounters started happening because before the operation, TTP had virtual control of areas like Manghopir.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=11&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi0qK-khcvaAhUMzbwKHSAdCA4QFghYMAo&url=http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/29/world/asia/taliban-extending-reach-across-pakistan.html&usg=AOvVaw0UHAoqEbqy23LelY2CEvDr



You folks have lost it.

No(.) Punjabi police only target Pukhtoons(.) Never mind that millions of Punjabis have Pukhtoon blood in them from old times(.) The sole and only victim in Pakistan are Pukhtoons(.) Never mind they make the backbone of the country and are fully integrated and hold important positions in all fields(.) This is not really about stirring up ethnic tensions, oh no, not at all(!) I mean I just want equality and freedom for Pukhtoons on both side of the borders to be one people(.) I want Pukhtoons in Pakistan to be treated like Pukhtoons in Afghanistan(!)

 

[SherDil]

I want Pukhtoons in Pakistan to be treated like Pukhtoons in Afghanistan

Have you ever been on the other side of Pak-Afghan border ??
God Forbid if we Pakistani Pukhtoons ever treated like Afghani treat their pukhtoons. We are in much more better condition than Afghan Pukhtoons.

 

[kabooter_maila]

Thks for ur detailed reply however in Military prospective the response was necessary, Afghans cannot wage war against Pak yet shall test our nerves again and again. One or two befitting replies are must. The Idea of Taliban was not wrong and paying of in a sense that USA/Afghan puppet Govt got stuck in Afghanistan other wise we shall have been sandwiched between India and Afghan/Irani border.
Despite or own faults the country is standing tall and people who believe in it are there whether military or civilian. We need management and learning from past and move on. Certainly blame game and inner conflict between Govt/Military is not good.

Is Afghanistan weaker than illiterate Mullah Fazal and his gang of criminals in TTP? If your 'real' enemies can turn those dumb pigs into a deadly and devastating terrorist organization, why can't they do the same with Afghan national army? The brainless pigs of TTP were used as foot soldiers to burn themselves with explosives while all the recce, target selection, planning, logistics, etc. was done by their masters who got ultra high tech gadgets like satellites, sensors, drones, comm intel, every thing many times better that what PA has. ANA will be used the same way. Who cares how many of them are killed? They have dark skin and thus no value. But PA would certainly bleed in the process. The best strategy would be to not allowing ANA to be used as a tool against you. Bajwa was on right track. But the enemy (and Afghans) now know that our internal system is about to crumble. Also, election season is about to start. Why then ANA would listen to Bajwa or our PM or FM? Need to ponder on that.

Pakistan never lost "half our country in 1971". bangladesh is 6× smaller than Pakistan. Since when did 1/6=1/2....

 

[CHI RULES]

The Afghan Taliban are more than 90% Pashtun and the struggle going on in Afghanistan is handled by Pashtuns. There majority is not against Pakistan or Punjabis.
The propaganda war is going on against Pakistan Army and Punjab as enemy has failed in efforts to divide country ethnically just like Syria or Lebanon.

Moreover the terrorists shall be got killed/executed whether they are from Punjab or KPK. The reason for majority of losses in KPK is that it is the center point of whole game.
On the other hand u can clearly observe that when war against terrorism is fought it also has it's after effects. Many innocent also included in hundreds of deaths but the burden of them lies on USA/India and puppet Afghan Govt rather on PA.

 

[TMA]

Have you ever been on the other side of Pak-Afghan border ??
God Forbid if we Pakistani Pukhtoons ever treated like Afghani treat their pukhtoons. We are in much more better condition than Afghan Pukhtoons.

No you are wrong (.)Afghan Puktoons are treated much better than Pakistani Puktoons(.)Look at the president he is Pukhtoon (.)Never mind the Afghan state is created by the liberators from NATO and still needs support from them (.)In Pakistan they have never been given high posts (.) Plus the Afghan King only signed for 100 years (. ) I think Afghanistan should take this issue to the UN to claim back her rightful territory and if the Pukhtoons of Pakistan don't agree well they are occupiers(.)

 

[ziaulislam]

Want an active war on your western border too? That's exactly your enemies want. Solve this Afghan problem with hikmat and national unity (both are distant realities at the moment). The whole logic of creating, arming, actively supporting the terrorists of TTP was monolithically aimed at engaging and bleeding PA. Pak was able to get itself out of that deadly trap after it had a government supported by the nation (Musharraf's tailor-made democracy and Zardari's foreign imposed democracy had no real roots in people of Pakistan). Now that we were expecting Pak to launch a counter attack on those who imposed a covert war on us, our generals decided to conquer Islamabad first. We are at the slippery slop yet once more. We need not blaming any one else but ourselves. Rejecting actions taken by chief executive (i.e. PM) office by the spokesman of a subordinate department (ISPR) tells all the tale. I hope our generals take a dose of sanity, shed their silly ego, start working under civilian government, and we'll then have a chance. Playing with the national fabric (and politics is the surface/face of that fabric) with political engineering will not bring any good to us. We lost half of the country under a dictator, Siachin under another one, got embroiled into the WoT yet by a third one. Now you start a war on your western front, we'll be bound to lose something else. Not to Afghan army - rather to our much bigger and resourceful real enemies. Let's pray to Allah Almighty to help us.

the 1971 saga belongs to bhutto, PPP should own it
the lat 5 years belongs to PML N the should own both the good(defeating terrorism and improving power supply) and bad(bad foreign policy and poor reforms in economy, and debt)
you cannot pick and choose

 

[Haris Mansoor]

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Well well well, on the one hand you call for Army to leave FATA and stand down its alert and in the same breath threaten another armed uprising.
Don't worry mara, we'll pummel PTM just like all the others.
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This is, where the problem is. Like Manzoor Pashtoon said, they just don't accept their is a problem. No one asked Army to leave FATA, can you please present me anything where someone from PTM asked Army to leave FATA???

Completely false.

Koi aqal istimal karu bhai....even in the Naqeeb encounter two men from Punjab were killed \

It is not my statistics, a journalist "Habib Akram" said it on a show.

Most encounters happen in Punjab, by Punjab police against Punjabis.

https://nation.com.pk/10-Feb-2018/870-killed-in-fake-punjab-police-encounters-imran

The whole Punjabi Lashkare Jhangwi leadership was wiped out in an encounter. In Karachi encounters started happening because before the operation, TTP had virtual control of areas like Manghopir.

First of all my point on killing of Pashtoon in encounters was in response to a brother who was suggesting to leave the area if it is not safe. then I said, people did left FATA but two things happend with them, one Punjab banned them from entering there and if someone sneaked into, they had to face people like Rao Anwar there