Pak-Afghan after Kunduz

[Jacob Martin]

Actually no. From CIA, US, entire West and even Isreal's help who are your best buddies now. Kindly take it up with them. We are not responsible for Afghans and what happens inside Afghanistan. It is their country. They better take care of it or call who they think are their friends. India is most welcome to help its strategic ally.

Your ID includes the word "sanity" somewhere....

 

[Paksanity]

Your ID includes the word "sanity" somewhere....

And?

 

[Jacob Martin]

Your ID includes the word "sanity" somewhere....

And?

Denying Pakistani involvement in the creation of Taliban,of the fact that they were the only country to give them diplomatic status, etc. etc. does not enhance your credibility. It takes away from the claim of being sane that you make.

 

[Paksanity]

Denying Pakistani involvement in the creation of Taliban,of the fact that they were the only country to give them diplomatic status, etc. etc. does not enhance your credibility. It takes away from the claim of being sane that you make.

Despite modest achievements in field of Science that we had, I assure you sir we have not been able to create human beings in factories. Yet. Taliban which essentially refers to a specific group of homosapiens more commonly known as humans these days must have been born to natural mother belonging to a particular nationality. If you would be so kind to tell us which nationality that is? Furthermore, as your earlier post suggest, blame of such apocalyptic happening lies on Gen Zia, will you please elaborate as to how a man who ceased to live in 1987 could manifest unleashing of such scourge on the face of planet earth decades later? I also dare to bring to your notice that group of these humans henceforth called Taliban were diplomatically recognised by KSA, UAE and had representation in UN as well as an office in Qatar. I would humbly seek your attention to the fact that a great conflict raged in the country called Afghanistan resulting from Soviet invasion and many nations including the one you are living in now actively participated in it. It will only be fair if you could bring to our knowledge all parties who were involved in such war with their money, weapons and training. I will further request you to appraise us, your ignorant subjects, as to what transpired in nation called Afghanistan in the period between withdrawl of Soviet forces to rise of Taliban. I rest my submission, sire!

 

[Jacob Martin]

Despite modest achievements in field of Science that we had, I assure you sir we have not been able to create human beings in factories. Yet. Taliban which essentially refers to a specific group of homosapiens more commonly known as humans these days must have been born to natural mother belonging to a particular nationality. If you would be so kind to tell us which nationality that is? Furthermore, as your earlier post suggest, blame of such apocalyptic happening lies on Gen Zia, will you please elaborate as to how a man who ceased to live in 1987 could manifest unleashing of such scourge on the face of planet earth decades later? I also dare to bring to your notice that group of these humans henceforth called Taliban were diplomatically recognised by KSA, UAE and had representation in UN as well as an office in Qatar. I would humbly seek your attention to the fact that a great conflict raged in the country called Afghanistan resulting from Soviet invasion and many nations including the one you are living in now actively participated in it. It will only be fair if you could bring to our knowledge all parties who were involved in such war with their money, weapons and training. I will further request you to appraise us, your ignorant subjects, as to what transpired in nation called Afghanistan in the period between withdrawl of Soviet forces to rise of Taliban. I rest my submission, sire!

Your comical interjection cannot hide the fact that the Mujahedeen leftover of the Afghan War are ripping Afghanistan apart today. Taliban were born out of this, and used as a Proxy for strategic depth by Pakistan for over a decade. Only APkistan maintained an embassy in Kabul and vice-versa during Taliban reign. If you did more reading, and less polishing of your skills in sarcasm, you might have known all this.

 

[Paksanity]

Your comical interjection cannot hide the fact that the Mujahedeen leftover of the Afghan War are ripping Afghanistan apart today. Taliban were born out of this, and used as a Proxy for strategic depth by Pakistan for over a decade. Only APkistan maintained an embassy in Kabul and vice-versa during Taliban reign. If you did more reading, and less polishing of your skills in sarcasm, you might have known all this.

Answers to questions in my post, please?

 

[Jacob Martin]

Answers to questions in my post, please?

1. Zia/ISI collaborated with CIA to create the Mujahedeen.
2. After the Afghan war, the Mujahedeen splintered and continued a civil war. Certain Uzbeks/Tajiks also joined in.
3. Taliban arose from the Madrasahs set up to provide cannon-fodder for the Mujahedeen during the Afghan War.
4. Pakistan saw an opportunity to insert itself into the situation, adopted the Taliban and sponsored its rise to power in Kabul, with a view to securing "strategic depth."
5. Pakistan continued to support the Taliban regime. 9/11 forced the Pak Army of pretending action against the Taliban, resulting in no change on the ground.
6. Taliban were provided sanctuaries in KPK, and thus began Pakistan's own headaches, in the form of TTP.
7. Today, the Pakistani government maintains a studied silence on the Afghan Taliban, while trying to wage war on their TTP counterparts.

For further reading, refer to US Department of State Annual Country Reports on Terrorism, 2000-2014.

 

[Inception-06]

On one side you say, Pakistan is a failed state, then very next moment you held Pakistan capable for building and destroying governments in other countries. How a failed state is so much capable ?

You say Pakistan is responsible for Taliban's advancement in Afghanistan, and yet Ashraf Ghani has documented evidence in his hands about the activities of Taliban in Pakistan using Afghan soil.

You say Taliban shuras are in Pakistan, why would they want to live out of Afhanistan, when they are controlling more area in Afghanistan more than government.

And the government, which has lost much of the area to militants due to their own incompatibilities, declares Pakistan as incapable.

Good reply, Afghans should ask Pakistan for more cooperation, for example, military exercise, training and joint operation ! by the way: kommst du aus deutschland ?

 

[Gazi]

1. Zia/ISI collaborated with CIA to create the Mujaheddin.

Mujahideens were already there in 1976 before arrival of Soviets. Their main concern back then was communists who took over Afghanistan by Saur Revolution. The fighting only Intensified when Soviet came to equation and were also joined by Pro China Communist Party members as well.

2. After the Afghan war, the Mujaheddin splintered and continued a civil war. Certain Uzbeks/Tajiks also joined in.

Wrong. Most of Mujaheddin were Comprised of mainly Tajiks United under leadership of Ahmad Shah Massoud while there was Gulbaddin Himatyar as well but he was very uneffective while a Pashtun Communist Leader Najibullah was ruling the Country.

3. Taliban arose from the Madrasahs set up to provide cannon-fodder for the Mujahedeen during the Afghan War.

When Soviets left USA also Abandoned Afghanistan while putting Sanctions on Pakistan for their Nuclear Program left Afghanistan in Completely Helpless situation to establish Schools or Hospitals in the first place leaving Likes of Usama Bin Ladin to capitalize the situation hence Madarsaas in Afghanistan instead of Schools. The Blame goes both ways not just rest with Pakistan only.

4. Pakistan saw an opportunity to insert itself into the situation, adopted the Taliban and sponsored its rise to power in Kabul, with a view to securing "strategic depth."

Wrong the idea of Strategic Depth has never been Utilize otherwise there would have been Pakistani Troops in Afghanistan rather then Taliban back in 1990s while Govt. in Kabul serving as Client dependent on Pakistan Military.

5. Pakistan continued to support the Taliban regime. 9/11 forced the Pak Army of pretending action against the Taliban, resulting in no change on the ground.

Pakistan Changed their Approach in return USA would not allow former Mujaheddin and Warlords in Govt. either because they were Threats to Majority Pashtun and their Interests. USA refuse, Pashtuns reorganize Taliban Pakistan left with nothing but Hostile Afghanistan and insurgency Spillover.

6. Taliban were provided sanctuaries in KPK, and thus began Pakistan's own headaches, in the form of TTP.

Wrong TTP didnt even exist before 2007 while Taliban had been Fighting since 1994. Both doesnt have any Connections with each other in fact they are fighting each other right now in Afghanistan.

7. Today, the Pakistani government maintains a studied silence on the Afghan Taliban, while trying to wage war on their TTP counterparts.

TTP has nothing in common except for the term "Taliban". They had been Disowned by Afghan Taliban many times before and currently taking refuge under banner of IS and are in Conflict with Afghan Taliban after being Beaten out of Pakistani Territory.



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[Quester Sergeant]

Is Afrasiab Khattak (the writer) a senator from ANP? The ones who oppose Durand Line?

Just curious...

Yes!

 

[Paksanity]

1. Zia/ISI collaborated with CIA to create the Mujahedeen.
2. After the Afghan war, the Mujahedeen splintered and continued a civil war. Certain Uzbeks/Tajiks also joined in.
3. Taliban arose from the Madrasahs set up to provide cannon-fodder for the Mujahedeen during the Afghan War.
4. Pakistan saw an opportunity to insert itself into the situation, adopted the Taliban and sponsored its rise to power in Kabul, with a view to securing "strategic depth."
5. Pakistan continued to support the Taliban regime. 9/11 forced the Pak Army of pretending action against the Taliban, resulting in no change on the ground.
6. Taliban were provided sanctuaries in KPK, and thus began Pakistan's own headaches, in the form of TTP.
7. Today, the Pakistani government maintains a studied silence on the Afghan Taliban, while trying to wage war on their TTP counterparts.

For further reading, refer to US Department of State Annual Country Reports on Terrorism, 2000-2014.

Taliban are Afghans. TTP is not. Taliban were provided sanctuaries in Pakistan. US and Pakistan Military hunted Al-Qaeda together in FATA. Taliban operate in Afghanistan and not our headache. If they come in Pakistan we will deal with them. TTP attacks in Pakistan. They are our problem. We will hunt them. Kunduz city which fell is not even close to Pakistan border. If there is cross border movement from Pakistan, Afghan Army has been called upon many times to seal border with us. Fact is only Pakistan mans it's posts, ANA doesn't. We asked to mine the border. Karzai went through the roof. We started digging trench and Karzai wouldn't eat in despair. So let's cut the crap and see who is doing what. We will help if Afghanistan wants us to or they should handle it themselves. If India feels so obliged they are free to use their mighty Army to crush Taliban. We don't care. People of Pakistan don't have the patience to listen to crap whether Kunduz falls or Kabul falls. It is Afghanistan's problem.

 

[Odysseus]

Keep on crying afghans, and afghan gov.

Typical anti pakistan article, blaming pakistan. Grow up afghans.

Did you even see who wrote the article, it's by a retired pakistani senator.

 

[!eon]

Good reply, Afghans should ask Pakistan for more cooperation, for example, military exercise, training and joint operation ! by the way: kommst du aus deutschland ?

Genau

With lots and lots of help from Zia and ISI. C'mon, no need to be so modest....



Some of these misgivings arise from previous experiences. Such as Pakistan being victim of terror/frontline ally in War on Terror, etc., etc., and then Osama bin Laden surfaces in Abbottabad. These episodes erode trust in even the blindest of allies...

Welcome to forum.
First you need to know who was helped by Zia and ISI in Afghanistan. Not that Indian version, search independently.
Hopefully that bin Laden real story will be published some day by US govt, may be after after 5 to 10 years.

 

[I M Sikander]

Did you even see who wrote the article, it's by a retired pakistani senator.

I read it, but we know, why some pakistani write some paid articles. Its nothing new.

The contents of the article shows who is behind it and who is blaming pakistan, using a Pakistani mouth.

 

[I M Sikander]

Denying Pakistani involvement in the creation of Taliban,of the fact that they were the only country to give them diplomatic status, etc. etc. does not enhance your credibility. It takes away from the claim of being sane that you make.

Yes we created and financed them, with saudi and american help.

Whats wrong in that, every country had a proxy in Afghanistan. So did Pakistan.

Afghanistan is a proxy heaven and being an important neighboring country, we have every right to secure our interests in Afghanistan.

Should i tell you about the russian, iranian and indian proxies in Afghanistan.