PAF's possible answer to MRCA

[maverick2009]

J11 is no answer to potential MRCA orders

Infact the J11 is inferior to SU30MKI with the indian flanker having TVC canards & far better Israeli/french electronics and the BARS pesa radar.

The answer to MRCA is another MRCA eg Typhoon or Rafale

 

[SQ8]

The only thing that would actually counter the MRCA effectively and which could be procured without restrictions would be something hypothetical like Munir's avatar.
Other than that.. unless somebody strikes oil in Baluchistan the Defense of our skies needs divine support.

 

[Keysersoze]

J11 is no answer to potential MRCA orders

Infact the J11 is inferior to SU30MKI with the indian flanker having TVC canards & far better Israeli/french electronics and the BARS pesa radar.

The answer to MRCA is another MRCA eg Typhoon or Rafale

Dude do you think at all? In the event of a J-11 procurement do you think that the PAf would just take the vanilla model? They didn't with the J-7 j-10 so why would they with the J-11?

 

[hj786]

Russians will sell there own mothers for the right price. Its all comes to the top brass someone needs to put pressure to get J-11.
J-10 is good no doubt but you cant compare lavi project vs J-11, J-11 is to superior. Have one SQD in Kamra one in Karachi and we are covered pretty much.

If you can buy and operate 2 F-20 for 1 F-16 and 2 F-16 for 1 F-15, can we assume PAF can buy and operate 4 squads of J-10 for 2 squads of J-11? Would the cost justify the capabilities?

J-10's airframe has some differences in the vertical stab., wing and canard shape to the Lavi and Chengdu have researched a delta-canard fighter since the mid 60s (Chengdu J-9 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). I don't think it is a simple Lavi copy with a Russian engine.

 

[BSF]

Dude do you think at all? In the event of a J-11 procurement do you think that the PAf would just take the vanilla model? They didn't with the J-7 j-10 so why would they with the J-11?

Well as of now your Jf 17 seems to be a vanilla model..Why should I assume J11 to be any different and that too if you are buying it on a "soft soft" loan from china.

 

[SQ8]

Off course its vanilla, its pathetic, on a butter loan from the chinese.. nothing like the aMKItabh or LCA Khan..
Unbeatable. the F-22 doesnt stand a chance.. stupid American major.. what did he know about MKI deva.bought with diamonds from the Russians coated with KY Jelly.

 

[Jako]

Off course its vanilla, its pathetic, on a butter loan from the chinese.. nothing like the aMKItabh or LCA Khan..
Unbeatable. the F-22 doesnt stand a chance.. stupid American major.. what did he know about MKI deva.bought with diamonds from the Russians coated with KY Jelly.

enter the great SARCASM........

 

[Keysersoze]

Well as of now your Jf 17 seems to be a vanilla model..Why should I assume J11 to be any different and that too if you are buying it on a "soft soft" loan from china.

You are new and obviously not too bright. Have you followed the procurement of the JF-17? The radars were chosen from western and Chinese models as were other components. It's not Vanilla when you specify what you want.

And regardless of how we get things we get them. And despite your vaunted MKI's you still can't get into PAK airspace without permission.

 

[Keysersoze]

enter the great SARCASM........

Yes it's best not to waste reason on people Like BSF

 

[sergente rehan]

Off course its vanilla, its pathetic, on a butter loan from the chinese.. nothing like the aMKItabh or LCA Khan..
Unbeatable. the F-22 doesnt stand a chance.. stupid American major.. what did he know about MKI deva.bought with diamonds from the Russians coated with KY Jelly.

True said bro....poor F-22 is nothing compare to Mki....even if F-22 is a 5th generation and Mki a 4.5 gen. jet!

 

[Jako]

Yes it's best not to waste reason on people Like BSF

uum....dont know,but he cd have been answered in a better way.....anyways i too agree,jf17 is no way a vanilla model......they can match the indian mig29s and mirages imo......and plz stop this bs bout mki and lca......btw have you guys seen pics of lca pv-5,it looks great

 

[SQ8]

Sarcasm is my preffered treatment for fanboys.. wherever they are from
Wont change that for all the kudos in the world

 

[sancho]

Dude do you think at all? In the event of a J-11 procurement do you think that the PAf would just take the vanilla model? They didn't with the J-7 j-10 so why would they with the J-11?

PAF has more access to western techs than PLAAF, so they might be able to make J7 more capable with better techs than F7, or JF 17 better than FC1, but does that also mean that they have better techs than their IAF counterparts? Are PAFs J7 able of BVR combat like Mig 21 Bisons?
Or JF 17 for example, it should get Grifo radar, SD 10 BVR Missile (maybe Mica), rumors talked about M88 (75Kn thrust), but now it has RD93 engine that could be upgraded to 90 Kn thrust.
LCA instead should get Elta 2052 AESA, Astra and latest R77missile, has GE 404 with 85Kn thrust and should get upg GE 414 (over 100Kn), or EJ 200 (90 - 100Kn) with TVC.
And now think about the techs that will be available for PAF if they get a copied Russian Flanker.
Who will provide PAF better techs than BARS PESA radar, OLS 30, or latest AL 31/41? China can't, that's why they got Su 30 MKK and keeps the Flankers upgraded with Russian techs. Russia and Israel won't and the western countries can only offer avionics and maybe some weapons. So at the end a hypothetical PAF J11 might be better that PLAAF J11, but like maverick2009 said, it will remain inferior to MKI. Not because MKI is unbeatable, but because of inferior techs.

IAF MMRCA can only be countered by PAF with J10B and a capable AESA radar, or by purchasing other latest MMRCA like Rafale, or F18SH.

 

[Arsalan]

just to please our indian members

sir we do not have any answer to the MRCA! it is great and nothing in the worls can stop it from destroying our country

for more serious members

the FC20 will be a match for the MRCA, also by the time indian will induct MRCA we will have intensively modified the JF17, some modification in FC20 may also be made and we may even see a new jet flying with the PAF by then so no need to worry! i think time before its induction (2015 + ) is of more importance as we wont be having the Fc20 in next few years and also the JF17 wont be mature. the F16 programme is alos very very fragile as it is carried with our ALL WEATHER frient the great US

regards!

 

[Gucci Juice]

PAF has more access to western techs than PLAAF, so they might be able to make J7 more capable with better techs than F7, or JF 17 better than FC1, but does that also mean that they have better techs than their IAF counterparts? Are PAFs J7 able of BVR combat like Mig 21 Bisons?
Or JF 17 for example, it should get Grifo radar, SD 10 BVR Missile (maybe Mica), rumors talked about M88 (75Kn thrust), but now it has RD93 engine that could be upgraded to 90 Kn thrust.
LCA instead should get Elta 2052 AESA, Astra and latest R77missile, has GE 404 with 85Kn thrust and should get upg GE 414 (over 100Kn), or EJ 200 (90 - 100Kn) with TVC.
And now think about the techs that will be available for PAF if they get a copied Russian Flanker.
Who will provide PAF better techs than BARS PESA radar, OLS 30, or latest AL 31/41? China can't, that's why they got Su 30 MKK and keeps the Flankers upgraded with Russian techs. Russia and Israel won't and the western countries can only offer avionics and maybe some weapons. So at the end a hypothetical PAF J11 might be better that PLAAF J11, but like maverick2009 said, it will remain inferior to MKI. Not because MKI is unbeatable, but because of inferior techs.

IAF MMRCA can only be countered by PAF with J10B and a capable AESA radar, or by purchasing other latest MMRCA like Rafale, or F18SH.

i doubt j-10b can compete with the mrca. why? well there are 5 a/c competing and surely the best will be picked and all 5 of those countries have more experience with airplanes than china does and if the best is picked it will CRUSH the j-10b. i mean look at the strengths of all the a/c compared with the j-10b.

-ef has supercruise and good electronics and good ew system
-rafael has 2nd best ew system in the world and claimed to have supercruise
-sh proven in many wars has best and cheapest weapons and also REALLY good aesa and ew systems
-f-16 same as sh
-mig-35 aesa is prolly 3rd best after sh and f-16 and mig has more design experience than dassault or ef team, that combined with proven Israeli/western avionics, ew systems, and tvc make this 1 powerful bird
-gripen ppl say its the underdog but it prolly has the least maintenence costs and can be operated from anywhere and is comparable to the f-16/lca block 2 which has 100 kn engine, aesa, and possibly tvc. there are also reports of it supercruising without weapons load... why's this important? u can get back faster after a mission is done.