PAF Vs IAF Command and Control Systems

[paritosh]

ECOM SQPS is a multiplier that a commando needs. The success of a squad behind enemy lines may just depend on this. After a para-drop from the plane inside hostile territory you must know where you and your squad are vis-à-vis the objective. SQPS is a personnel electronic map positioning system, the commander wears it on his belt. On a small portable color screen, he can view the map of the area, his objective, his own position and that of his entire squad. A miniature GPS sensor on the shoulder of every commando establishes his position, which is electronically transmitted to the commander and displayed on hand computer via the squad radio. The entire mission is programmed in the map on the commanders hand computer overlaid on the geographic map of the area. Being evaluated by the SSG, SSGN, SSW, SOTF and will then be introduced to regular infantry formations.

the infantry man's hand-held integrated computer when first inducted into the Indian army...gave the jawan a scare...
the semi-literate jawans could not understand and operate the marking and following of GPS coordinates...
the people from the signals regiment and other enggs in the army conduct seminars and workshops for acclimatizing the jawan with these gadgets of this day and age...but they face a problem here...
it'd take a lot of time before these hi-fi gadgets get truly operational and beneficial in the armed forces of India and Pakistan...

 

[paritosh]

We are streets ahead of india in networked warfare, this has been proven through open sources Your claim that your strategists are aware holds no water, and regarding BVR we have caught you up, and with the AMRAAM 120-C5 have the most advanced BVR missile in the subcontinent.

any basis for that claim?on paper the R-77 appears to be a better weapon based on it's range and it's maneuverability...
besides..your BVR planes are very limited...and so are the number of your planes...

 

[silent hawk]

any basis for that claim?on paper the R-77 appears to be a better weapon based on it's range and it's maneuverability...
besides..your BVR planes are very limited...and so are the number of your planes...

There can be little doubt that on paper the adder and the amraam are closely matched. It is once again C4I which gives Pakistan the edge.

Link 16 Tactical Data Link

The link-16 is better than anything the Indians have because it can integrate with all ground and air based sensors. This enables the F-16 to pick up the target earlier. After launching the missile the F-16 can turn away and the AMRAAM can be updated using data from the Link-16. This not only gives the F-16 a very high off boresight capability but also allows it to achieve the largest possible F-Pole.

IAF has the advantage in Quantity but PAF is ahead in Quality.

 

[IND151]

IAF IS UPGRADING ITSELF LOT.SO IAF WILL BE STRENGTHENED.

 

[rockstarIN]

There can be little doubt that on paper the adder and the amraam are closely matched. It is once again C4I which gives Pakistan the edge.

Link 16 Tactical Data Link

The link-16 is better than anything the Indians have because it can integrate with all ground and air based sensors. This enables the F-16 to pick up the target earlier. After launching the missile the F-16 can turn away and the AMRAAM can be updated using data from the Link-16. This not only gives the F-16 a very high off boresight capability but also allows it to achieve the largest possible F-Pole.

IAF has the advantage in Quantity but PAF is ahead in Quality.

Few details about Su-30 MKI

MKI fitted with Sextant Avionique's avionics from France, liquid crystal multi-function displays (MFDs), a new flight data recorder, a dual ring laser gyro INS (inertial navigation system) with embedded GPS (Global Positioning Satellite), EW (Electronic Warfare) equipment procured from Israel's IAI (Israeli Aircraft Industries), a new electro-optical targeting system and a RWR (Radar Warning Receiver).


The navigation equipment is based on a 7 channel GPS and ring-laser Inertial Navigation System (INS), an integration of systems produced by Honeywell, Raytheon and General Dynamics. The TACAN is provided by Rockwell, which also provides the ARC-217 HF radio. BAE Systems is providing the ILS system and an advanced IFF transponder/interrogator. which improves the operation of the aircraft beyond visual range, and enable safe employment of long range A/A missiles. The communications equipment is based on an integrated voice/data system, that incorporates RAFAEL's Green Radio, a localized and improved version of the Rockwell Collins ARC-210 VHF/UHF radio, equipped with a data modem, and an advanced data-link system, produced by IAI/MLM. These classified systems are believed to be more advanced to Link 16, offer integrated, secured and jam-resistant communications was designed to provide instantaneous high quality, high capacity communication between surface and air elements.



Came across with these details from some forum, do not know the correctness..

 

[satishkumarcsc]

There can be little doubt that on paper the adder and the amraam are closely matched. It is once again C4I which gives Pakistan the edge.

Link 16 Tactical Data Link

The link-16 is better than anything the Indians have because it can integrate with all ground and air based sensors. This enables the F-16 to pick up the target earlier. After launching the missile the F-16 can turn away and the AMRAAM can be updated using data from the Link-16. This not only gives the F-16 a very high off boresight capability but also allows it to achieve the largest possible F-Pole.

IAF has the advantage in Quantity but PAF is ahead in Quality.

But we are developing our own ODL with IAI

domain-b.com : IAI bags contract for IAF's pilot operational data link project

 

[rockstarIN]

But we are developing our own ODL with IAI

domain-b.com : IAI bags contract for IAF's pilot operational data link project

If we are getting the system which they use in Sufa, then it is much more upgraded than Link-16 and more resistable to jamming.

 

[IND151]

Indian Air Force now a net-centric combat force

 

[IND151]

"IAF has taken up a mandate to create and maintain an assured, dedicated, secure and inter-operable communication network along with associated services to provide real time, instantaneous transfer of information between Sensors, Command and Control (C2) centres and Shooters," the release said.

In addition, IAF aspires to use communication network and IT-enabled infrastructure for all other operational, techno-logistics and administrative functions to leverage development in this field to enhance efficiency, cost-effectiveness and ease of administration, it said.

The spokesperson said all major formations and static establishments had been linked through a secure Wide Area Network (WAN) and were accessible through data communication lines.

The nationwide programme was launched by the IAF in collaboration with the private industry to accelerate the use of Information Technology (IT) as well as to link all field units using a dedicated satellite.

"AFNET incorporates the latest traffic transportation technology in form of IP (Internet Protocol) packets over the network using Multi Protocol Label Switching (MPLS). A large VoIP (Voice over Internet Protocol) layer with stringent quality of service enforcement will facilitate robust, high quality voice, video and conferencing solutions," he said.

 

[Rafi]

any basis for that claim?on paper the R-77 appears to be a better weapon based on it's range and it's maneuverability...
besides..your BVR planes are very limited...and so are the number of your planes...

Pretty much all of our front line fighter aircraft will be BVR missile capable. How many kills has r-77 achieved versus Amraam.

 

[Rafi]

C4I AND AIR DEFENCE AUTOMATION SYSTEM


Category : C4-1 Air Defence Automation System
Manufacturer : GIDS
Detail

The Air Defense Automation System has been indigenously developed by Air Weapons Complex (AERO). The designed system collects information from all Air Defense sensors and radars, processes it, converts it into a standard format and displays it in real time at any desired location. The system architecture is independent of space, time and communication medium. The Command and Control System provides an environment for multiple functions to operate on the same hardware platform and share data via a Local Area Network (LAN) or a Wide Area Network (WAN).
The System allows the Commander to a view a fused picture of his complete Area Of Responsibility (AOR). It is a compilation of data from all Air Defense sensors, combined with battle plan, projection overlays, and any other data that is available, including:
current locations and planned movement operations of ground, maritime and air units of friendly, neutral, and enemy forces generated features and projections (e.g. battle plans, operating zones).
Our engineers work closely with the customers to provide them customized, open, flexible and cost-effective solutions to their Air Defense Automation System requirements. AERO provides comprehensive Integrated Logistic Support (ILS) throughout the life cycle of the System.
SALIENT FEATURES

Seamless integration with C4I systems.
Network centric design allowing self-forming and self-healing network (user can enter or leave the network dynamically).
Complete Air Situation Display (ASD).
User friendly and compact Graphical User Interface.
The System can be operated in different modes (Operator, Commander etc.)
Personnel training under simulation mode.
Scenario recording and replay facility.
Communication with lower and higher command centers.
Advanced GIS support.
Multiple layer architecture (Display of multiple maps).
Map features e.g. map loading, map editing, map color changing etc.
Preset and programmable zoom buttons.
Display of Latitude/Longitude, Georef and Grid System.
True battlefield scenario support.
Display of track history during interception operation. User can switch on/off history of track.
Track symbol indicating its category.
Track type indicates the threat status of the track.
Tactical interception aids available.
Radar on/off option.
Aircraft Plot Suppression Area (PSA).
Non-automatic track initiation area.
Weapons (SAM/AAA) status monitoring.
Use of commercial technologies.
Ergonomically designed Command and Control Console.
Easy maintenance.
MULTIPLE RADAR TRACKER
Multi Radar Tracker (MRT) uses state-of-the-art tracking algorithms to detect and track all modern, fast and highly maneuverable targets, hence forming an integral part of C4I and Air Defense Automation System. It works effectively in high clutter environments and displays real time information for any command & control function. It can handle 2000 plots and 1000 tracks. This capability can be further enhanced due to scalable design of the Tracker. It can be integrated simultaneously with homogenous and heterogeneous radars.
The Tracker automatically initiates and reliably tracks maneuvering targets. The tracks initiation and maneuvering detection is enhanced with multiple sensors. The trackers update the display information at a high rate to form a true, accurate and complete Air Situation Display (ASD) for all air-defense and air-traffic control operations.

The main functions of the MRT algorithm include:

Inferring the presence of valid targets from a series of plots and tracks received from different radars.
Calculating optimally by the sensor the true trajectories of the target in presence of uncertainties imposed by the sensor as well as aircraft dynamics.
Recognizing and rejecting false targets.
Successfully tracking and predicting the optimal estimates of the target in the presence of clutter and false alarms.
Displaying target tracking information.
Forming correct association between tracks and observation from radars in different environment.
Successfully tracking the target during extreme conditions of fast maneuver, formations, miss detection, cross-overs etc.
Fusing information from multiple radars of different ranges, resolutions, scan times and other radars parameters.
Analyzing the influence of sensor modeling, radar processor design, and change of other system parameters on algorithm design.

 

[Rafi]

The Sakb and the Al Khalid and Al Zarrar main battle tanks are all being equipped with the Integrated Battlefield Management System (IBMS), a system to track friendly and enemy positions similar to the US Army's Blue Force Tracking.

The IBMS uses VHF and UHF communications and each vehicle can act as a relay. The integration of the systems is already under way and is scheduled to be finished by December, said Mohsin Rahmatullah, director of business development, which developed the IBMS together with HIT. The hardware from the system may be exported, most likely first to the United Arab Emirates, Rahmatullah said.
'HIT's vehicle showcase' (JDW 25 September 2002)

THAT WAS 8 YEARS AGO, BY THE WAY, SO THIS SYSTEM HAS ALREADY BEEN UPDATED.

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[Rafi]

the infantry man's hand-held integrated computer when first inducted into the Indian army...gave the jawan a scare...
the semi-literate jawans could not understand and operate the marking and following of GPS coordinates...
the people from the signals regiment and other enggs in the army conduct seminars and workshops for acclimatizing the jawan with these gadgets of this day and age...but they face a problem here...
it'd take a lot of time before these hi-fi gadgets get truly operational and beneficial in the armed forces of India and Pakistan...

The Pak Army has simplified the hand held for use of ordinary Jawans using icons and help software, so far the Special Forces love it, because it allows the Commander a tactical advantage and is proving essential for missions. This system is being introduced slowly as a force of more than half a million stretches resources.

 

[Rafi]

This is an actual PAF C4I Centre - where is the photographic proof of an indian equivalent, if our indian friends cannot provide one, then it is quite clear that india is behind us in C4I. I have also provided evidence on systems in the Tanks and Special Forces that are for the Army, the Navy is also introducing net centric warfare capabilities.

 

[paritosh]

There can be little doubt that on paper the adder and the amraam are closely matched. It is once again C4I which gives Pakistan the edge.

Link 16 Tactical Data Link

The link-16 is better than anything the Indians have because it can integrate with all ground and air based sensors. This enables the F-16 to pick up the target earlier. After launching the missile the F-16 can turn away and the AMRAAM can be updated using data from the Link-16. This not only gives the F-16 a very high off boresight capability but also allows it to achieve the largest possible F-Pole.

IAF has the advantage in Quantity but PAF is ahead in Quality.

that pic shows the standard usage of awacs...
it's the job of the awacs systems to guide the pilots and missiles on to the target...most BVR missiles have guidance in stages...
the first stage they are guided by the plane's on-board radar...in the second stage they switch to their own seeker...if they have one...and in the third..they use laser or radio waves for a proximity blast...
using awacs the first stage of the missiles flight is out-sourced to the awacs...
now tell me how is the aim-120 better than the r-77?
or that we lack in C4I?
ar you also bringing in the capabilities of the erieye and the phalcon into this comparative analysis?
please refrain from using open-ended statements while comparing things..