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There are many..Patriot, Ahmed is the first Indian who admits that we Pakitanis were in small numbers but superior in 65.
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There are many..Patriot, Ahmed is the first Indian who admits that we Pakitanis were in small numbers but superior in 65.
The air force decided that instead of providing close air support to the army, it will fight a virtually independent air war... These tactics met with limited success because Pakistan based its aircraft deep inside its territory and the Indian Air Force suffered considerable and unnecessary losses trying to attack these targets.
By 1971, the air force had learned its lessons from the 1965 war... The doctrine of strategic bombing that had dominated 1965 war was viewed as carry over from World War 2 and was not considered a priority in South Asian context... An effort was made to improve communication between the services... By assigning specific corps or areas, the air force was able to get the response time down to one to one and half hours by 1971. Thus in 1971 war the air force was able to fly over 5,000 sorties in support of the army, thereby providing effective support in the ground battle in both western and eastern sectors.
He was referring to the Babur Cruise Missiles, and he is right, they are made for such operations. Refer to my above post, you will get the scenario I feel. Rest all You are spot on! Thanks!
In 71 our biggest problem or political defeat was because we were fight our own people.
Our missile technology is way advanced/ far ahead from India in the case we go for war,
U surely misunderstood me ... anyway if u think u've something worth while to add to the debate...go ahead . I would like to read it.
'Building an arsenal: the evolution of regional power force structures' by Amit Gupta perfectly summarizes the consequences of the 1965 war for the Indian Air Force -
The Pakistani Air Force had some success in the 1965 war not because it was better than the Indian Air Force, but because Indian generals made the wrong decisions. This is proved by the fact that the very same IAF outperformed the PAF in every aspect just six years after the 1965 war because they learned from their mistakes.
It seems that most Pakistanis are still stuck in history, or I should only that part of the history which they consider to be 'glorious'. Indians, on the other hand, have moved on and continuously learn from their mistakes and the results are there for every one to see.
The Pakistani Air Force had some success in the 1965 war not because it was better than the Indian Air Force, but because Indian generals made the wrong decisions.
Are you suggesting the Allies never suffered any defeats against the Germans and Japanese?
How does that explain Indian victories during battle of Longewala and Basantar?
And leave the flaming on East Pakistan alone please.And own people? What happened to your 'own people' during Operation Searchlight?
This was true even in '65 and '71.I see them rather defending their own Airspace.
In '65, PAF made 1303 sorties (out of total 2363 sorties) for air defense which took up about 55% of their air effort. If you remove the 148 sorties for photo/recon, then 58% of direct combat effort would be solely for air defense.If you look at the percentage effort spent on air defence, 55 and 57%, in '65 and '71 (the effort to protect air bases), and if we subtract bomber, transport and recce effort, then the resultant effect is that the PAF spent up to 70% of the available air effort to protect itself!
The Fighter Gap 2
Are you suggesting the Allies never suffered any defeats against the Germans and Japanese?
And leave the flaming on East Pakistan alone please.
Too many new Indians on the forum think they are being 'original' wise-arses by making comments we have all heard a thousand times.
Don't troll and flame, shape up or ship out.
You need to make up your mind..in one post you say paf had better training then you say IAF pilots were so great that they made Gnat better then sabre and no Sabre was not better.Gnat was smaller and more agile then Sabre.The Gnat had a thrust-to-weight ratio of near one - unheard-of at that time while sabre did not have that kind of T2W ratio.
And who are you to say Pakistanis are stuck in history? Who are you to say on behalf of all the Indians that they have moved on and continuously learn from their mistakes?
What are you talking about? What Generals? You mean Air Chiefs? You mean their incompetence doesn't represent the Air Force they work for?
Dude.. I can't speak for all Indians. Neither can you speak for all Pakistanis. But yes, through categorical thinking we can homogenize people into various groups with shared traits.
By the tone adopted by most Pakistanis here, one can easily homogenize them as a group of people who are stuck in the past - for example, boasting about the Mughal Empire as if it belonged only to Pakistan, and boasting about the 1965 war as if they actually won the war etc.
Are you suggesting the Allies never suffered any defeats against the Germans and Japanese?
And leave the flaming on East Pakistan alone please.
Too many new Indians on the forum think they are being 'original' wise-arses by making comments we have all heard a thousand times.
Don't troll and flame, shape up or ship out.