PAF revamped Air Defense Alert System

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PAKISTAN Aerostat L-88 Radar System
(Source : US Defense Security Cooperation Agency ; issued July 31, 2002)

On 26 July 2002, the Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress of a possible Foreign Military Sale to Pakistan of Aerostat Radar Systems as well as associated equipment and services. The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $155 million.

The Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale of six Aerostat L-88 Radar Systems, spare and repair parts, facility construction and support, publications and technical documentation, personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor engineering and logistics personnel services and other related elements of logistics support. The estimated cost is $155 million.

This proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy and national security of the United States by helping to improve the security of a friendly country which has been and continues to be an important partner in the war on terrorism in South Asia.

The radar systems will add to Pakistan's ability to monitor its western borders in support of Operation Enduring Freedom and control narcotics trade activities. Specifically, the radar systems will be used to monitor ground traffic and low-flying aircraft along this border. The Aerostat is a relatively low technology, fixed site system which Pakistan can easily absorb and utilize within its existing structure.

The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not affect the basic military balance in the region.

The prime contractor will be the Lockheed Martin-Akron of Akron, Ohio and/or TCOM, L.P. of Columbia, Maryland. There are no offset agreements proposed in connection with this potential sale.

Implementation of this proposed sale will require the assignment of eight each U.S. Government and contractor representatives for annual program management and technical reviews to Pakistan.

There will be no adverse impact on U.S. defense readiness as a result of this proposed sale.

This notice of a potential sale is required by law; it does not mean that the sale has been concluded.

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http://www.defense-aerospace.com/ar...tan-to-acquire-l_88-radar-system-(aug-1).html

Per paf history 1999-2013 theses Radar was evaluated but their availability and up time is ~30 % and paf opted to go for full blown awacs plus ground base radar

Bottomline did not meet paf requirements

 

[Inception-06]

Pakistani air defence industry:


@Signalian @Dazzler did you guys notice that the Iranian domistic air defence missile programm is much more diversified, well developed and multifaceted compared to us, we have taken zero steps in that direction ! May be I am wrong but iranian list is very long,it would be pathetic and naive to ignore that just stamp it as iranian propaganda and low quality products.

• 
  Air defense weapons
• Qaem - anti-helicopter, lightweight, laser-guided missile
• Raad - anti-helicopter system.
• Misagh-1 - copy of Chinese QW-1 Vanguard with upgrades
• Misagh-2 - copy of Chinese QW-2 Vanguard
• Misagh-3 - shoulder-fired missile
• 23mm Anti-Aircraft Gun - Iranian version of ZU-23 which comes in one or two barrel configurations
• Samavat 35mm Anti-Aircraft Guns - Copy of Oerlikon 35 mm twin cannon skyguard
• Sa'ir 100mm Anti-Aircraft Guns - Upgraded automatic version of KS-19 100m gun, it can detect and intercept targets automatically through radar or optical systems at low and medium altitude
• Shahab Thaqeb (شهاب ثاقب) - copy of the Chinese HQ-7 (FM-80)
• SM-1 copy of RIM-66 Standard.
• Sayyad-1 / Sayyad-1A - upgraded copy of Chinese HQ-2,[113] Sayyad-1A has IR tracking.
• Sayyad-2 (Hunter II). Upgraded version of the Sayyad-1 system with higher precision, range and defensive power. It is equipped with a 200-kilogram warhead and has a speed of 1,200 meters per second. The Sayyad-1 missile defense system is composed of two-stage missiles that can target all kinds of aircraft, including bombers, at medium and high altitudes.[114]
• Fajr-8 - upgrade of S-200[115]
• Fajr-27 - advanced sea rapid fire cannon[116][117]
• Fath (victory) - the 40-millimeter naval cannon's range is 12 km and shoots 300 projectiles per minute.[118][119]
• Mersad - Iran's first advanced air defense system based on the US MIM-23 Hawk. It is capable of hitting modern aircraft flying at low and medium altitudes. The Mersad system is equipped with sophisticated radar signal processing technology, an advanced launcher, and electronic equipment for guidance and target acquisition. Mersad uses domestically manufactured Shahin missiles.[120]
• Mesbah 1 air defense system - can target and destroy fighters, helicopters, cruise missiles and other objects flying at low altitude. Mesbah 1 is equipped with a three-dimensional interception radar and an optical guidance system. Mesbah 1 can fire four thousand rounds per minute.[121][122]
• Mehrab (altar) - surface-to-air medium-range smart missile. The Mehrab missile is equipped with anti-radar and anti-jamming systems, and if the enemy tries to jam the guidance system of the missile, it immediately identifies the source of the interference and changes its course toward the source and destroys the jammer.[123]
• Raad - Air defence system with range of 50 kilometers and engagement altitude of 25 to 27 kilometers[124]
• Bavar-373 (under development). Iran's corrected version of Russia's S-300 surface-to-air missile system, which uses two or three types of missiles to confront aerial targets in different layers.[125]
• Ya Zahra - Low-altitude mobile air defense system.[126]
• Soheil - Quadruped- MANPADS missile launcher, which can detect and intercept aerial targets.[127][128]
• Herz-9 - Passive low-altitude mobile air defense system with operating range of 10 km and operating altitude of 5 km.[129][130][131]
• Talaash- A mid-range, high-altitude missile mobile air defense missile system which uses an upgraded copy of SM-1 (RIM-66) missile called Sayyad-2, in November 2013 Iran launched the production line of Sayyad-2 missile.(The whole system is still under development)[132][133][134]
• Asefeh - Asefeh is three-barrelled 23 mm Gatling gun that is reportedly capable of firing up to 900 rounds a minute, it is currently under development by IRGC ground force and will be used as a close in weapon system to defend against cruise missiles.[135]
• 3rd Khordad - missile system with a range of 75 kilometers and an altitude of 30 kilometers[136][83]
• Tabas - missile system with a range of 60 kilometers and an altitude of 30 kilometers

 

[Khafee]

Pakistani air defence industry:


@Signalian @Dazzler did you guys notice that the Iranian domistic air defence missile programm is much more diversified, well developed and multifaceted compared to us, we have taken zero steps in that direction ! May be I am wrong but iranian list is very long,it would be pathetic and naive to ignore that just stamp it as iranian propaganda and low quality products.

• 
  Air defense weapons
• Qaem - anti-helicopter, lightweight, laser-guided missile
• Raad - anti-helicopter system.
• Misagh-1 - copy of Chinese QW-1 Vanguard with upgrades
• Misagh-2 - copy of Chinese QW-2 Vanguard
• Misagh-3 - shoulder-fired missile
• 23mm Anti-Aircraft Gun - Iranian version of ZU-23 which comes in one or two barrel configurations
• Samavat 35mm Anti-Aircraft Guns - Copy of Oerlikon 35 mm twin cannon skyguard
• Sa'ir 100mm Anti-Aircraft Guns - Upgraded automatic version of KS-19 100m gun, it can detect and intercept targets automatically through radar or optical systems at low and medium altitude
• Shahab Thaqeb (شهاب ثاقب) - copy of the Chinese HQ-7 (FM-80)
• SM-1 copy of RIM-66 Standard.
• Sayyad-1 / Sayyad-1A - upgraded copy of Chinese HQ-2,[113] Sayyad-1A has IR tracking.
• Sayyad-2 (Hunter II). Upgraded version of the Sayyad-1 system with higher precision, range and defensive power. It is equipped with a 200-kilogram warhead and has a speed of 1,200 meters per second. The Sayyad-1 missile defense system is composed of two-stage missiles that can target all kinds of aircraft, including bombers, at medium and high altitudes.[114]
• Fajr-8 - upgrade of S-200[115]
• Fajr-27 - advanced sea rapid fire cannon[116][117]
• Fath (victory) - the 40-millimeter naval cannon's range is 12 km and shoots 300 projectiles per minute.[118][119]
• Mersad - Iran's first advanced air defense system based on the US MIM-23 Hawk. It is capable of hitting modern aircraft flying at low and medium altitudes. The Mersad system is equipped with sophisticated radar signal processing technology, an advanced launcher, and electronic equipment for guidance and target acquisition. Mersad uses domestically manufactured Shahin missiles.[120]
• Mesbah 1 air defense system - can target and destroy fighters, helicopters, cruise missiles and other objects flying at low altitude. Mesbah 1 is equipped with a three-dimensional interception radar and an optical guidance system. Mesbah 1 can fire four thousand rounds per minute.[121][122]
• Mehrab (altar) - surface-to-air medium-range smart missile. The Mehrab missile is equipped with anti-radar and anti-jamming systems, and if the enemy tries to jam the guidance system of the missile, it immediately identifies the source of the interference and changes its course toward the source and destroys the jammer.[123]
• Raad - Air defence system with range of 50 kilometers and engagement altitude of 25 to 27 kilometers[124]
• Bavar-373 (under development). Iran's corrected version of Russia's S-300 surface-to-air missile system, which uses two or three types of missiles to confront aerial targets in different layers.[125]
• Ya Zahra - Low-altitude mobile air defense system.[126]
• Soheil - Quadruped- MANPADS missile launcher, which can detect and intercept aerial targets.[127][128]
• Herz-9 - Passive low-altitude mobile air defense system with operating range of 10 km and operating altitude of 5 km.[129][130][131]
• Talaash- A mid-range, high-altitude missile mobile air defense missile system which uses an upgraded copy of SM-1 (RIM-66) missile called Sayyad-2, in November 2013 Iran launched the production line of Sayyad-2 missile.(The whole system is still under development)[132][133][134]
• Asefeh - Asefeh is three-barrelled 23 mm Gatling gun that is reportedly capable of firing up to 900 rounds a minute, it is currently under development by IRGC ground force and will be used as a close in weapon system to defend against cruise missiles.[135]
• 3rd Khordad - missile system with a range of 75 kilometers and an altitude of 30 kilometers[136][83]
• Tabas - missile system with a range of 60 kilometers and an altitude of 30 kilometers

There is a glaring difference in doctrine, Quantity Vs Quality.

PAF/PA prefer Quality, and they have done it quite well.

 

[ZedZeeshan]

Pakistani air defence industry:


@Signalian @Dazzler did you guys notice that the Iranian domistic air defence missile programm is much more diversified, well developed and multifaceted compared to us, we have taken zero steps in that direction ! May be I am wrong but iranian list is very long,it would be pathetic and naive to ignore that just stamp it as iranian propaganda and low quality products.

• 
  Air defense weapons
• Qaem - anti-helicopter, lightweight, laser-guided missile
• Raad - anti-helicopter system.
• Misagh-1 - copy of Chinese QW-1 Vanguard with upgrades
• Misagh-2 - copy of Chinese QW-2 Vanguard
• Misagh-3 - shoulder-fired missile
• 23mm Anti-Aircraft Gun - Iranian version of ZU-23 which comes in one or two barrel configurations
• Samavat 35mm Anti-Aircraft Guns - Copy of Oerlikon 35 mm twin cannon skyguard
• Sa'ir 100mm Anti-Aircraft Guns - Upgraded automatic version of KS-19 100m gun, it can detect and intercept targets automatically through radar or optical systems at low and medium altitude
• Shahab Thaqeb (شهاب ثاقب) - copy of the Chinese HQ-7 (FM-80)
• SM-1 copy of RIM-66 Standard.
• Sayyad-1 / Sayyad-1A - upgraded copy of Chinese HQ-2,[113] Sayyad-1A has IR tracking.
• Sayyad-2 (Hunter II). Upgraded version of the Sayyad-1 system with higher precision, range and defensive power. It is equipped with a 200-kilogram warhead and has a speed of 1,200 meters per second. The Sayyad-1 missile defense system is composed of two-stage missiles that can target all kinds of aircraft, including bombers, at medium and high altitudes.[114]
• Fajr-8 - upgrade of S-200[115]
• Fajr-27 - advanced sea rapid fire cannon[116][117]
• Fath (victory) - the 40-millimeter naval cannon's range is 12 km and shoots 300 projectiles per minute.[118][119]
• Mersad - Iran's first advanced air defense system based on the US MIM-23 Hawk. It is capable of hitting modern aircraft flying at low and medium altitudes. The Mersad system is equipped with sophisticated radar signal processing technology, an advanced launcher, and electronic equipment for guidance and target acquisition. Mersad uses domestically manufactured Shahin missiles.[120]
• Mesbah 1 air defense system - can target and destroy fighters, helicopters, cruise missiles and other objects flying at low altitude. Mesbah 1 is equipped with a three-dimensional interception radar and an optical guidance system. Mesbah 1 can fire four thousand rounds per minute.[121][122]
• Mehrab (altar) - surface-to-air medium-range smart missile. The Mehrab missile is equipped with anti-radar and anti-jamming systems, and if the enemy tries to jam the guidance system of the missile, it immediately identifies the source of the interference and changes its course toward the source and destroys the jammer.[123]
• Raad - Air defence system with range of 50 kilometers and engagement altitude of 25 to 27 kilometers[124]
• Bavar-373 (under development). Iran's corrected version of Russia's S-300 surface-to-air missile system, which uses two or three types of missiles to confront aerial targets in different layers.[125]
• Ya Zahra - Low-altitude mobile air defense system.[126]
• Soheil - Quadruped- MANPADS missile launcher, which can detect and intercept aerial targets.[127][128]
• Herz-9 - Passive low-altitude mobile air defense system with operating range of 10 km and operating altitude of 5 km.[129][130][131]
• Talaash- A mid-range, high-altitude missile mobile air defense missile system which uses an upgraded copy of SM-1 (RIM-66) missile called Sayyad-2, in November 2013 Iran launched the production line of Sayyad-2 missile.(The whole system is still under development)[132][133][134]
• Asefeh - Asefeh is three-barrelled 23 mm Gatling gun that is reportedly capable of firing up to 900 rounds a minute, it is currently under development by IRGC ground force and will be used as a close in weapon system to defend against cruise missiles.[135]
• 3rd Khordad - missile system with a range of 75 kilometers and an altitude of 30 kilometers[136][83]
• Tabas - missile system with a range of 60 kilometers and an altitude of 30 kilometers

Non of them is battle tested or reliable verified from any independent source...what I personally think its more like an eye wash to keep enemy at its bay..

 

[Tps43]

Pakistani air defence industry:


@Signalian @Dazzler did you guys notice that the Iranian domistic air defence missile programm is much more diversified, well developed and multifaceted compared to us, we have taken zero steps in that direction ! May be I am wrong but iranian list is very long,it would be pathetic and naive to ignore that just stamp it as iranian propaganda and low quality products.

• 
  Air defense weapons
• Qaem - anti-helicopter, lightweight, laser-guided missile
• Raad - anti-helicopter system.
• Misagh-1 - copy of Chinese QW-1 Vanguard with upgrades
• Misagh-2 - copy of Chinese QW-2 Vanguard
• Misagh-3 - shoulder-fired missile
• 23mm Anti-Aircraft Gun - Iranian version of ZU-23 which comes in one or two barrel configurations
• Samavat 35mm Anti-Aircraft Guns - Copy of Oerlikon 35 mm twin cannon skyguard
• Sa'ir 100mm Anti-Aircraft Guns - Upgraded automatic version of KS-19 100m gun, it can detect and intercept targets automatically through radar or optical systems at low and medium altitude
• Shahab Thaqeb (شهاب ثاقب) - copy of the Chinese HQ-7 (FM-80)
• SM-1 copy of RIM-66 Standard.
• Sayyad-1 / Sayyad-1A - upgraded copy of Chinese HQ-2,[113] Sayyad-1A has IR tracking.
• Sayyad-2 (Hunter II). Upgraded version of the Sayyad-1 system with higher precision, range and defensive power. It is equipped with a 200-kilogram warhead and has a speed of 1,200 meters per second. The Sayyad-1 missile defense system is composed of two-stage missiles that can target all kinds of aircraft, including bombers, at medium and high altitudes.[114]
• Fajr-8 - upgrade of S-200[115]
• Fajr-27 - advanced sea rapid fire cannon[116][117]
• Fath (victory) - the 40-millimeter naval cannon's range is 12 km and shoots 300 projectiles per minute.[118][119]
• Mersad - Iran's first advanced air defense system based on the US MIM-23 Hawk. It is capable of hitting modern aircraft flying at low and medium altitudes. The Mersad system is equipped with sophisticated radar signal processing technology, an advanced launcher, and electronic equipment for guidance and target acquisition. Mersad uses domestically manufactured Shahin missiles.[120]
• Mesbah 1 air defense system - can target and destroy fighters, helicopters, cruise missiles and other objects flying at low altitude. Mesbah 1 is equipped with a three-dimensional interception radar and an optical guidance system. Mesbah 1 can fire four thousand rounds per minute.[121][122]
• Mehrab (altar) - surface-to-air medium-range smart missile. The Mehrab missile is equipped with anti-radar and anti-jamming systems, and if the enemy tries to jam the guidance system of the missile, it immediately identifies the source of the interference and changes its course toward the source and destroys the jammer.[123]
• Raad - Air defence system with range of 50 kilometers and engagement altitude of 25 to 27 kilometers[124]
• Bavar-373 (under development). Iran's corrected version of Russia's S-300 surface-to-air missile system, which uses two or three types of missiles to confront aerial targets in different layers.[125]
• Ya Zahra - Low-altitude mobile air defense system.[126]
• Soheil - Quadruped- MANPADS missile launcher, which can detect and intercept aerial targets.[127][128]
• Herz-9 - Passive low-altitude mobile air defense system with operating range of 10 km and operating altitude of 5 km.[129][130][131]
• Talaash- A mid-range, high-altitude missile mobile air defense missile system which uses an upgraded copy of SM-1 (RIM-66) missile called Sayyad-2, in November 2013 Iran launched the production line of Sayyad-2 missile.(The whole system is still under development)[132][133][134]
• Asefeh - Asefeh is three-barrelled 23 mm Gatling gun that is reportedly capable of firing up to 900 rounds a minute, it is currently under development by IRGC ground force and will be used as a close in weapon system to defend against cruise missiles.[135]
• 3rd Khordad - missile system with a range of 75 kilometers and an altitude of 30 kilometers[136][83]
• Tabas - missile system with a range of 60 kilometers and an altitude of 30 kilometers

I Know very well about these sys none of homegrown went to mass production there are many other things which I cant state here.

Non of them is battle tested or reliable verified from any independent source...what I personally think its more like an eye wash to keep enemy at its bay..

What we call this is Disinformation. Which works for some and for some not.

 

[ZedZeeshan]

I Know very well about these sys none of homegrown went to mass production there are many other things which I cant state here.


What we call this is Disinformation. Which works for some and some not.

In today's time the best battle tested weapon is disinformation. we all know very well that Iran has been under strict sanctions even their students were not allowed to study in good universities of US and Eu. their Disinformation is paying them very well and have saved them from a lot of trouble..

 

[CHI RULES]

There is a glaring difference in doctrine, Quantity Vs Quality.

PAF/PA prefer Quality, and they have done it quite well.

Sir in my humble opinion though Pak SAMs apart from Anza and Manpads are quite betetr in quality however considering changing scenarios both on eastern and western borders Pak should also go for quantity. High altitude modern SAMs also still missing.

The official version during OBL operation was that Pak's entire Radar network was jammed. We should check loop holes and try to improve SAM numbers/layers.

 

[Khafee]

Sir in my humble opinion though Pak SAMs apart from Anza and Manpads are quite betetr in quality however considering changing scenarios both on eastern and western borders Pak should also go for quantity. High altitude modern SAMs also still missing.

The official version during OBL operation was that Pak's entire Radar network was jammed. We should check loop holes and try to improve SAM numbers/layers.

No radars were jammed, this I can assure you.

 

[Tps43]

In today's time the best battle tested weapon is disinformation. we all know very well that Iran has been under strict sanctions even their students were not allowed to study in good universities of US and Eu. their Disinformation is paying them very well and have saved them from a lot of trouble..

But some how they learned now and they are sending there students even to harvard from last 2 3 years

 

[CHI RULES]

No radars were jammed, this I can assure you.

Hi Hi official version just quoted however I honestly believe that Radars provided by USA and EU based radars can be jammed easily by their makers.

You are right reality is always different.

 

[Tps43]

Hi Hi official version just quoted however I honestly believe that Radars provided by USA and EU based radars can be jammed easily by their makers.

You are right reality is always different.

No radars were jammed I too can assure u this , There's another interesting thing which for the sake of national security I dont want to share in public.

 

[ZedZeeshan]

But some how they learned now and they are sending there students even to harvard from last 2 3 years

Yeah things changed after Obama deal...

 

[Inception-06]

No radars were jammed I too can assure u this , There's another interesting thing which for the sake of national security I dont want to share in public.

Is it a political or technical thing ?

 

[Readerdefence]

Is it a political or technical thing ?

Hi looks like political

 

[Khafee]

Hi Hi official version just quoted however I honestly believe that Radars provided by USA and EU based radars can be jammed easily by their makers.

You are right reality is always different.

I'm not a Pakistani, what do I gain from parroting their official or unofficial lines?