PAF revamped Air Defense Alert System

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Can you provide more information about what these sensors are?

Thanks

It's not known. Hensoldt inherited Siemens, so it could be MPDR-related stuff for maintenance and/or rebuild work at PAC. Alternatively, it could be specific components for avionics suites (for JF-17), C4I, etc. If it's in relation to a new system, it could be CKDs for a radar for the PAF to trial, but if the measurement is in kg, then they'll need 2-3 shipments of that size to give a reliable indication.

 

[Gryphon]

Some more imports from Hensoldt, but to Aviation Productions Factory at PAC. @TheOccupiedKashmir @tps77

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https://pak.eximtradeinfo.com/items/Hensoldt

Probably spares.

 

[Tps43]

Some more imports from Hensoldt, but to Aviation Productions Factory at PAC. @TheOccupiedKashmir @tps77

View attachment 428115

https://pak.eximtradeinfo.com/items/Hensoldt

Spares Most probably but my 6th sense says this is related to trails for the replacement of MPDR's as those sys were sent back for some modifications but If we look at the quantity stated here I think they r spares logically saying but they also can be components for the new trail radars.
My Final words=Related to trails for new sys.

 

[Inception-06]

40 KM as publicly announced in Pakistan day parade

A selam, how are you, Sir? Pakdef.org seems down forever any news from Harris Khan or Usman?

 

[HRK]

A selam, how are you, Sir? Pakdef.org seems down forever any news from Harris Khan or Usman?

nope.... I also tried many times but no success either its gone or they are facing some very big technical issue

 

[Major Sam]

nope.... I also tried many times but no success either its gone or they are facing some very big technical issue

The way they were having arguments it might b possible it has gone for ever. But m praying for their come back. Finger cross

 

[MastanKhan]

A selam, how are you, Sir? Pakdef.org seems down forever any news from Harris Khan or Usman?

Hi,

That was a worthless kiss ar-se website---.

 

[Taha Samad]

1. Did pakistan get L88 Aerostat radars? There are notifications to congress from 2002, but can not find anything else.
   
   • If acquired how does that effect our low-level radar coverage?
2. Secondly did Pakistan acquire YLC-6 systems from China?

 

[khanasifm]

1. Did pakistan get L88 Aerostat radars? There are notifications to congress from 2002, but can not find anything else.
   
   • If acquired how does that effect our low-level radar coverage?
2. Secondly did Pakistan acquire YLC-6 systems from China?

No, yes

 

[Taha Samad]

No, yes

Hmm, following post suggests we did:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/army-readies-jlens-surveillance-aerostat.320914/page-2#post-5867404

We use the L88 Tethered Aerostat Radar System by Lockheed.
Radar Range is +/- 400km / 200NM
Max Altitude is 25,000feet / 7.6km

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Other links suggest at least initial process of FMS:

https://www.dawn.com/news/350999

Another system to be acquired by Pakistan from the US at a cost of $155 million include low technology, fixed site six Aerostat L-88 radars to monitor ground traffic and low flying aircraft along the western borders.

Functioning of the L-88 radar systems is conditional to assignment of 16 representatives of the US government and its contractors for annual programme management and technical reviews to Pakistan.

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https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-...stats-rise-through-ranks-surveillance-service

Pakistan is reported to be acquiring six L-88 radar-carrying aerostats. India bought Elta-radar equipped aerostats from Israel to monitor the Pakistan border, one of which was lost in “difficult weather” but the country ordered more as a response to the seaborne terrorist attack on Mumbai.

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http://www.defense-aerospace.com/ar...tan-to-acquire-l_88-radar-system-(aug-1).html

PAKISTAN Aerostat L-88 Radar System
(Source : US Defense Security Cooperation Agency ; issued July 31, 2002)

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https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pafs-drones-aerostat.28955/

Other nations using aerostat-mounted sensors include Israel, with Elta EL/M-2083 radars on Tcom platforms. India has bought similar systems. Israel also operates the Tcom 32M aerostat with EL/I-3330 radar. Pakistan uses the ILC Dover Tars (Tethered Aerostat Radar System), developed for the US Air Force. The United Arab Emirates use the Tcom Tas (Tactical Aerostat System) with 17M and 71M balloons.

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Although delivery for any US system is generally public event, so lack of news may suggest that deal may not have gone through. But considering this was in same time period as TPS-77 / F-16 deal, it seems unlikely that congress would have blocked sale of L-88 radars when sale of F-16 and TPS-77 went through. Any info on what went wrong?

Any idea on number of YLC-6?

 

[Taha Samad]

I guess total stands something like:
6 TPS-77
5 YLC-2
6 TPS-43 (Acquired in 70s/80s)

10 YLC-6
45 MPDR-45/60/90
6 L-88 V3 Aerostat / TARS (Unconfirmed, but great addition to low level capability; with ability to operate at 25K Ft and range of 400Km)

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pakistan-plugging-the-gaps.9109/

The service has also acquired several new radar systems from China, including the YLC-2 long-range 3-D phased-array surveillance system and previously unknown YLC-6 low-level system. Six of 10 YLC-6 radars on order have so far been delivered and Pakistan is also gaining six US-made AN/TPS-77 tactical mobile radars for medium-level application.

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http://www.radartutorial.eu/19.kartei/02.surv/karte032.en.html

A total of 5 sets of YLC-2 radar systems were delivered to Pakistan from 2003 to 2004.

 

[Taha Samad]

I guess total stands something like:
6 TPS-77
5 YLC-2
6 TPS-43 (Acquired in 70s/80s)

10 YLC-6
45 MPDR-45/60/90
6 L-88 V3 Aerostat / TARS (Unconfirmed, but great addition to low level capability; with ability to operate at 25K Ft and range of 400Km)

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pakistan-plugging-the-gaps.9109/


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http://www.radartutorial.eu/19.kartei/02.surv/karte032.en.html

@Bilal Khan 777 Sir, are you aware of what happened to L-88 Aerostat acquisition?

 

[ejaz007]

PAKISTAN Aerostat L-88 Radar System
(Source : US Defense Security Cooperation Agency ; issued July 31, 2002)

On 26 July 2002, the Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress of a possible Foreign Military Sale to Pakistan of Aerostat Radar Systems as well as associated equipment and services. The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $155 million.

The Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale of six Aerostat L-88 Radar Systems, spare and repair parts, facility construction and support, publications and technical documentation, personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor engineering and logistics personnel services and other related elements of logistics support. The estimated cost is $155 million.

This proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy and national security of the United States by helping to improve the security of a friendly country which has been and continues to be an important partner in the war on terrorism in South Asia.

The radar systems will add to Pakistan's ability to monitor its western borders in support of Operation Enduring Freedom and control narcotics trade activities. Specifically, the radar systems will be used to monitor ground traffic and low-flying aircraft along this border. The Aerostat is a relatively low technology, fixed site system which Pakistan can easily absorb and utilize within its existing structure.

The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not affect the basic military balance in the region.

The prime contractor will be the Lockheed Martin-Akron of Akron, Ohio and/or TCOM, L.P. of Columbia, Maryland. There are no offset agreements proposed in connection with this potential sale.

Implementation of this proposed sale will require the assignment of eight each U.S. Government and contractor representatives for annual program management and technical reviews to Pakistan.

There will be no adverse impact on U.S. defense readiness as a result of this proposed sale.

This notice of a potential sale is required by law; it does not mean that the sale has been concluded.

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http://www.defense-aerospace.com/ar...tan-to-acquire-l_88-radar-system-(aug-1).html

 

[Khafee]

@tps77 @Bilal Khan (Quwa)

After a long time, I have been so hooked to a thread. I went through the last 10 pages, and immensely enjoyed the contribution made by both of you.

The rating is not for just one post, but for bringing qualitative substance to this thread, and forum.

Thank You, and Keep up the good work!!

Best Regards

 

[Tps43]

@tps77 @Bilal Khan (Quwa)

After a long time, I have been so hooked to a thread. I went through the last 10 pages, and immensely enjoyed the contribution made by both of you.

The rating is not for just one post, but for bringing qualitative substance to this thread, and forum.

Thank You, and Keep up the good work!!

Best Regards

Thanks , I'm happy that u enjoyed it . Looking forward to contribute more.