PAF & Rafale Story Will Not Go Away !

[Haris Ali2140]

So it means we are screwd when IAF gets hand on Rafale?

There will always be something to counter.

 

[The Accountant]

IAF weapons are customer specific and have many differences.

Fake news which was intially picked up Indian media but later denied by French Ambassador himself.
Don't bother quoting until you can provide concrete proof that Ambassador was wrong.

Yes ... right Rafael has developed, meteor mica and spice are made for india ...

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

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From another thread. He works for PAC, look what plane is on his nametag.

@Windjammer I think you are the one who posted these.

Looks like Mirage factory to me

 

[Patriot786b2]

Rafale already flown by PAF: Pak media

New Delhi, Sep 24 (IANS): Less than a fortnight before French aviation major Dassault delivers the first Rafale fighter aircraft to India, an Islamabad-based newspaper report quoted that Pakistan Air Force (PAF) pilots have already been given access to the fighter jets and have trained to operate them in France.


The unsubstantiated media report, however, did not quote anybody even as it mentioned that the Pakistani military is aware of the exact specifications of the aircraft.


When contacted, Indian Air Force (IAF) officials rubbished the media report by calling it baseless.

"(The aircraft)... has reportedly been undermined by recent reports that Pakistani pilots were given access to the aircraft and trained to operate them in France.... Pakistani military is likely aware of the exact specifications of the fighters has dealt a serious blow to the platform's potential viability in Indian hands," states the newspaper report.

India has signed a multi-billion dollar inter-governmental agreement with France and Dassault Aviation to acquire 36 Rafale aircraft in flyaway condition. The first of these aircraft was technically 'accepted' by the IAF in France last week. Defence Minister Rajnath Singh will formally receive the aircraft in France on Dussehra next month.


"While the primary pretext link for Rafale acquisition has been to counter Pakistan, particularly in light of recent skirmishes in the air between the two countries in late February 2019, news that the Pakistani military is likely aware of the exact specifications of the fighters has dealt a serious blow to the platform's potential viability in Indian hands.... Pakistani pilots under the Qatari Air Force were dispatched to France to train on the Rafales," the report further states.


The first of the 36 Rafale aircraft will physically arrive in India only in May 2020. The aircraft will be stationed at Ambala Air Base in Punjab and Hashimara Air Base in West Bengal.

Source https://www.daijiworld.com/news/newsDisplay.aspx?newsID=627802

 

[Patriot786b2]

Here is the video to go with the story

 

[BRAVO_]

for me this logic don't make sense... since india has very good relations with isreal which is using F-16 C and Ds for a long time so indians pilots are already aware about the capabilities of F-16s yet they are unable to deal with it, which proves that avionics are just one aspect of entire combat scenario, pilots capabilities and expertise, mission awareness and strategies, ground radar support, AWACs support etc are the others so not every single pilot in PAF aware with the full capabilities of Rafeal nor every indian pilot is aware about the capabilities of PAF F-16. its all depending who is dealing what ..

 

[Patriot786b2]

for me this logic don't make sense... since india has very good relations with isreal which is using F-16 C and Ds for a long time so indians pilots are already aware about the capabilities of F-16s yet they are unable to deal with it, which proves that avionics are just one aspect of entire combat scenario, pilots capabilities and expertise, mission awareness and strategies, ground radar support, AWACs support etc are the others so not every single pilot in PAF aware with the full capabilities of Rafeal nor every indian pilot is aware about the capabilities of PAF F-16. its all depending who is dealing what ..

To know weaknesses of your enemy is always a good hunt for pray. To be submissive & humble and accept defeat is to give in to your enemy as for Arabs. Its very certain the FYI documents of PAF on Rafale aircrafts is briefed into staff of PAF pilots. Can't say much for IAF pilots last time they made total complete fools during Balakot Feb 2019.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

India enjoying its sloppy seconds as usual.

 

[loanranger]

for me this logic don't make sense... since india has very good relations with isreal which is using F-16 C and Ds for a long time so indians pilots are already aware about the capabilities of F-16s yet they are unable to deal with it, which proves that avionics are just one aspect of entire combat scenario, pilots capabilities and expertise, mission awareness and strategies, ground radar support, AWACs support etc are the others so not every single pilot in PAF aware with the full capabilities of Rafeal nor every indian pilot is aware about the capabilities of PAF F-16. its all depending who is dealing what ..

No wrong. The weaknessess noted by the Indians during their time with the Isreali F 16s can mostly be exploited in WVR. IAF could not use their knowledge against us because PAF didnot let it get to a WVR scenario. Cannot do much when PAF had better ranged missiles than IAF. We could reach them but they could not reach us.

 

[BRAVO_]

To know weaknesses of your enemy is always a good hunt for pray. To be submissive & humble and accept defeat is to give in to your enemy as for Arabs. Its very certain the FYI documents of PAF on Rafale aircrafts is briefed into staff of PAF pilots. Can't say much for IAF pilots last time they made total complete fools during Balakot Feb 2019.

as i said .. air war is an art .. a team effort where pilot and aircraft is just one aspect rest of all factors have their own importance, but in this forum there are lots of senior members who are well aware with capabilities of Rafael because in todays world no knowledge can be kept hidden for a long time, the most horrific type of it, is nuclear weapons, which started spreading through America and now many countries have them, same way all major airforces keep an eye on the enemies acquisitions and its capabilities, upon the basis of which they plan their rule of engagement and counter measures.

at the end i would say .. work like a team and team always win ...

No wrong. The weaknessess noted by the Indians during their time with the Isreali F 16s can mostly be exploited in WVR. IAF could not use their knowledge against us because PAF didnot let it get to a WVR scenario. Cannot do much when PAF had better ranged missiles than IAF. We could reach them but they could not reach us.

yes... that what illustrate my point, our pilots know the basics of Rafael i am sure they did not use its weaponry and its effectiveness in the battlefield, its all depend who is dealing what ... and what package india use at their Rafaels on that specific day

 

[Mav3rick]

So it means we are screwd when IAF gets hand on Rafale?

Well, Rafale certainly won't be making our lives any easier. However, we were already concerned with the MKI's and they failed to impress on 26th so I am guessing that PAF would have planned for Rafale too; it may still be a surprise.

 

[Signalian]

So it means we are screwd when IAF gets hand on Rafale?

Lol, IAF faces the same issue with PAF F-16s.

If radio waves can't be used, then optical are put in use. When an individual aircraft's Radar or EW systems are not enough, then other aircrafts support it to complete mission successfully. Can you look up if Mirage-V or Mirage-III used on 27th Feb 2019 had radars or not.

There are ways to go around any problem, chin up.

 

[maximuswarrior]

I like it how sanghis are burning. Their investment got compromised LOL

 

[blueazure]

PAF pilots know ALL the mid eastern top tier fighters

1. the UAEF BLK 70 F sola and M2000

2. & the qatari rafael is no exception


sources .. ex PAF pilot serving as instructors in UAE AF

the arabs cant win a bar brawl, dont expect them to fly rafaels too . PAF does that

 

[Ark_Angel]

PAF pilots know ALL the mid eastern top tier fighters

1. the UAEF BLK 70 F sola and M2000

2. & the qatari rafael is no exception


sources .. ex PAF pilot serving as instructors in UAE AF

the arabs cant win a bar brawl, dont expect them to fly rafaels too . PAF does that

F-16 Block 60 Desert Falcons are a No-Go for PAF instructors. M-2000 Yes.
Emiratis are a bunch of damn good breed of fighter pilots. Thorough professionals. Same goes for RSAF to a certain extent. The best of Saudi High School Students end up in the AF including the Royals. To sum up the Emiratis and The Saudis these peeps are smart workers not hard workers. They would do all the requisite work/mission req without going into extra fatigue. Kuwaiti and Qatari not too much.