PAF quickly put bases on high alert.

[mirage 5000]

put high alert or sleep tight whats difrent ? today 5 missiles fired on pakistani land from air were was PAF ?

 

[Awesome]

boss do you know an thing about a bullets?,if war started between US and Pakistan, do you know the outcomes? we cant hurt them other than killing some hundreds of soldiers, but the entire country can be in flames of US made bombs Missiles, etc, I know it is a very crucial decision to start a war, but when its started they show no mercy,, n ura mulk khra ho jae to kya ek add nuke ko rook ly ga?

Ek kaam karo mulk bandh kardoh.

Its like saying ghar ki auraton pe koi pehlwaan agar hamla karega hum logon ko shaklein dekhni chahiye. Tab mar mitne ko tayaar ho jao ge ke nahi? Mulk bhi tumhari maan hai.

History is proof when you stand up to a bully, the bully wimps away. Ek point aata hai jab banday ko khara hona parhta hai. You can't live this sort of a buzdil's life. Its not worth it if these are the lessons you are going to pass onto the next generation, its really not worth it. Close down Pakistan gift it to America.

Aglon ne isse zyada mushkil waqt main mulk chheen ke bana lia tha.

 

[VCheng]

Ek kaam karo mulk bandh kardoh.

Its like saying ghar ki auraton pe koi pehlwaan agar hamla karega hum logon ko shaklein dekhni chahiye. Tab mar mitne ko tayaar ho jao ge ke nahi? Mulk bhi tumhari maan hai.

History is proof when you stand up to a bully, the bully wimps away. Ek point aata hai jab banday ko khara hona parhta hai. You can't live this sort of a buzdil's life. Its not worth it if these are the lessons you are going to pass onto the next generation, its really not worth it. Close down Pakistan gift it to America.

Aglon ne isse zyada mushkil waqt main mulk chheen ke bana lia tha.

If only the rulers of Pakistan had only a tiny fraction of the courage shown in this post, there would be no trouble!

Bravo for these words AA!

I hope that the nation follows up the brave steps by the PA in rejecting US Aid, by strong and deft political moves to break free.

Sher ki eik din ki zindagi geedar ki sau sala zindagi seh better he!

 

[*Awan*]

A very interesting post, if nothing else.

Destroy all?

If it were so easy, it would have been long ago, without your goading!

when we are going down why not we take 2-3 with us?

 

[TARIQ BN ZIYAAD]

Assalam alaikum

Again realistic ppl r trying to make us scare of u.s might. To invade iraq there were many preparations for months ( actually iraq was under sanctions for 13 years almost ) and to invade afghanistan they needed months and routes and bases close. Now our realistic ppl telling us if we interept some u.s helis america would have have gone to a war while it didnot have any legal or moral base to his action. 180 million ppl with nuclear arms and missiles yeh kis din k liyai hain if not to protect our airspaces and lands while we have all the right to do so?

TARIQ

 

[*Awan*]

You guys might wanna have a look at this, it's an interesting read:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-forum/119595-u-s-using-electronic-warfare-attack-waves.html

Maybe that's partly how they got through your defenses. The F-18 Growler is indeed a gorgeous machine.

Some say that the Blackhawks used during the operations were stealth versions.

Mission helo was secret stealth Black Hawk - Army News | News from Afghanistan & Iraq - Army Times

buddy please remember this thing

WE cannot shoot down American helicopters not because of their stealth but because they were American .
hope you understand/.

 

[VCheng]

Assalam alaikum

Again realistci ppl r trying to make us scare of u.s might. To invade iraq there were many preparations for months ( actually iraq was under sanctions for 13 years almost ) and to invade afghanistan they needed months and routes and bases close. Now our realistic ppl telling us if we interept some u.s helis america would have have gone to a war while it didnot have any legal or moral base to his action. 180 million ppl with nuclear arms and missiles yeh kis din k liyai hain if not to protect our airspaces and lands while we have all the right to do so?

TARIQ

Aisey kai din aa ker jaa bhi chukay, aur kuch bhi kaam naa aaein yeh cheezain.

Kion?

 

[TARIQ BN ZIYAAD]

Ek kaam karo mulk bandh kardoh.

Its like saying ghar ki auraton pe koi pehlwaan agar hamla karega hum logon ko shaklein dekhni chahiye. Tab mar mitne ko tayaar ho jao ge ke nahi? Mulk bhi tumhari maan hai.

History is proof when you stand up to a bully, the bully wimps away. Ek point aata hai jab banday ko khara hona parhta hai. You can't live this sort of a buzdil's life. Its not worth it if these are the lessons you are going to pass onto the next generation, its really not worth it. Close down Pakistan gift it to America.

Aglon ne isse zyada mushkil waqt main mulk chheen ke bana lia tha.

Assalam alaikum

Very well said brother. when we say those things they call us ghairat brgaid and not realistic.

TARIQ

 

[forcetrip]

in an event of full scale war all the american soldiers would have been vapourized in Afghanistan
..we are 180 million and growing no worries ....we could hit all the american bases within 4500 kilometer radius although the radius is much more....israel could have been annahilated.......such arguments that oh america would have done this and that are usually given by secular fascists who receive payments from Captain america to demoralize nation.
Dident Hazrat Hussain radi Allah took stand.....so did Khalid bin Waleed radi Allah against the largest Byzantine army scoring the most decisive victory in the history of warfare....so did Tipu Sultan..againt entire British Freemasonic Empire where sun never used to set

What exactly are you doing right this minute? By your statements we have been at war for the past few years. Are you still sitting by your computer?

 

[Rank]

ham ye kardengay ham woh kardeengay old style of this Fauj... jab waqt ata hey tab okaat samnay ajata hey aur we have seen performance of our forces from last 60 years... 1971 ... 1980z... kargil.... and from 2001 - 2011

Mark my word "America will again take such action like OBL for Zawari in up coming days" and after that this military will again say... "aainda aye thay asi nahe chadanga" lol i am listing this bullshit from last many years! and up coming days... you will see again such statemnets....

IMHO such kind of missile... Airforce... Navy... Army... sab khatam karkay in sab ko ghar bheejdoo from everyday 1000 of pakistani died because of this USELESS DRONE STRIKE... jo bhi maray woh terrorist waah.. my question to AL SO CALLED SUPER DUPER MILITARY PROFESSIONALS on this forum... kabhe sharam nahe ati military ke harkatoon kay bawajood unko innocent kahtay ?? 60 saal ke is fauj ke policy nay jo kya haina is mulk kay saath... Allah asi fauj say behtar ... dushman dayday "thats what today bacha bacha of this nation saying"

 

[VCheng]

ISLAMABAD - A top air force official informed the Abbottabad Commission that the country’s air bases were put on high alert as soon as the PAF received information about the US raid on the compound of Osama bin Laden.

The second meeting of the high powered commission, tasked with investigating the May 2 Abbottabad incursion by the US Navy Seals and reported killing of Osama bin Laden (OBL) by them, took place on Monday under the chairmanship of Supreme Court Judge, Justice Javed Iqbal, here in the Cabinet Division Block of Pakistan Secretariat. The other members of the commission, IG (r) Abbas Khan, Ashraf Jehangir Qazi and Lt Gen (r) Nadeem Ahmed, also attended the meeting. Major General Ashfaq Nadeem and deputy chief of the Pakistan Air Force (PAF), Air Marshall Mohammed Hassan, appeared before the commission and gave briefings. Afterwards the two officials answered question of the commission members.

The commission discussed the deployment of the air force and army on the borders and the violation of Pakistani airspace by the US during the time of the operation.

Air Marshal Mohammad Hassan gave a detailed statement to the commission highlighting the events leading to Abbottabad Operation. He elaborated functioning of radar system, which forms the fundamental component of PAF’s air defence system. He also informed the commission about locations and altitude the PAF radars can cover, and their operation mechanism during war as well as peacetime.

He also indicated situations where the radar system cannot detect an intruding aircraft/helicopter due to terrain limitations. He stated that for the past many years and prior to May 2, PAF has maintained peacetime posture on its western borders.

He told the commission that on learning about the OBL operation, PAF immediately took adequate operational measures as per standard operating procedures (SOPs). PAF aircraft continued their presence in Abbottabad area till early morning.

To go back to the REAL topic of this thread, why don't we all cool down the rhetoric, and wait for the final report of the investigating commission?

 

[SQ8]

Asslam alaikum
Santro
Brother if i remember persian emire had elephants ( tanks of those days) and when we fight we dont care if we live or die either ghazi or shaheed Al-nasr mn 3nd Allah . Saying that doesnot mean we dont prepare ourselves.

TARIQ

it not the gun but the man behind the gun
similarly numbers and technology dosent matters...its the same taleban who used to live in caves with whom america is now negotiating a safe exit
we have nuclear arms and we can deliver them anywhere...thats why we made them and ate grass to raise 6th largest army...
we not on a suicide trip...we can give a war to USA if it wants it...there just too many american bases around our missile radius....the largest one is in israel ....considering it was ben gurion who initiated the hate and war against us in 1948

Lets put it this way, How much difference was there between elephants and horses?.. were the men on the elephants inaccessible??
What you suggest is pure suicide.. Islam does not encourage cowardice.. or does it encourage suicide.
Are you supposed to run from a fight.. no? but if there are overwhelming number's, self protection is key.. and the idea to live to fight another day (better prepared).. is prime.

Every Muslim expedition that went out to meet the enemy went as well prepared as possible.. is the PAF or Pakistan military as well prepared as realistically possible for us?? no.
Hundreds of young guys from Local Pakistani households went for Jihad during the early stages of the Afghan war.. they fought against Mi-24's, tanks and Ak-47's with flintlock rifles.... none of them ever came back, they are martyrs.. but those that encouraged them to go without preparation are criminals.

Let me ask you something.. what is the temperature of your Body??.
98.6 degrees..right?
Anything above that.. you arent well.. anything below that.. you arent well.
similarly..
Too little fervor... everybody will beat you back.. too much fervor.. you will end up killing yourself.
Islam is a religion of the middle path, would you not agree?.. in all aspects of life?.. then does it make sense that a way of life that encourages balance would encourage foolish endeavors in combat??

currently , we cannot take on the US in a conventional scenario and have thousands if not hundreds of thousands of our soldiers and civillians killed.
The US, for all its bullying attitude, has not yet pushed us into a corner and given us some room to wriggle... we can wriggle.
And whilst we can wriggle, we must avoid armed conflict with any adversary till we sort our internal mess out. At the same time.. we need to beef up our ability to wage combat on the level of any potential adversary.

The men who fought in the battles of Islamic empires past, never faced an adversary with whom they did not possess a means of defeating.
Even in such a case, they did not plunge headlong into the fray without carefully planning their moves.
Such is the call of the day for us today..

Had the PAF taken on the choppers, they would have been blown from BVR ranges by AIM-120's.
I consider it god's good grace that those interceptor's never found the chopper's.

There is a fine line that separates passion and courage from obsession and foolhardiness.

 

[Rank]

To go back to the REAL topic of this thread, why don't we all cool down the rhetoric, and wait for the final report of the investigating commission?

Sir do you really think that the REAL report will come in front of us ?

 

[VCheng]

Lets put it this way, How much difference was there between elephants and horses?.. were the men on the elephants inaccessible??
What you suggest is pure suicide.. Islam does not encourage cowardice.. or does it encourage suicide.
Are you supposed to run from a fight.. no? but if there are overwhelming number's, self protection is key.. and the idea to live to fight another day (better prepared).. is prime.

Every Muslim expedition that went out to meet the enemy went as well prepared as possible.. is the PAF or Pakistan military as well prepared as realistically possible for us?? no.
Hundreds of young guys from Local Pakistani households went for Jihad during the early stages of the Afghan war.. they fought against Mi-24's, tanks and Ak-47's with flintlock rifles.... none of them ever came back, they are martyrs.. but those that encouraged them to go without preparation are criminals.

Let me ask you something.. what is the temperature of your Body??.
98.6 degrees..right?
Anything above that.. you arent well.. anything below that.. you arent well.
similarly..
Too little fervor... everybody will beat you back.. too much fervor.. you will end up killing yourself.
Islam is a religion of the middle path, would you not agree?.. in all aspects of life?.. then does it make sense that a way of life that encourages balance would encourage foolish endeavors in combat??

currently , we cannot take on the US in a conventional scenario and have thousands if not hundreds of thousands of our soldiers and civillians killed.
The US, for all its bullying attitude, has not yet pushed us into a corner and given us some room to wriggle... we can wriggle.
And whilst we can wriggle, we must avoid armed conflict with any adversary till we sort our internal mess out. At the same time.. we need to beef up our ability to wage combat on the level of any potential adversary.

The men who fought in the battles of Islamic empires past, never faced an adversary with whom they did not possess a means of defeating.
Even in such a case, they did not plunge headlong into the fray without carefully planning their moves.
Such is the call of the day for us today..

Had the PAF taken on the choppers, they would have been blown from BVR ranges by AIM-120's.
I consider it god's good grace that those interceptor's never found the chopper's.

There is a fine line that separates passion and courage from obsession and foolhardiness.

Thank you very much for this post, for if I had said it, I would have been vilified as (insert your favorite gaali here), but it rings very true. Wise words indeed.

 

[VCheng]

Sir do you really think that the REAL report will come in front of us ?

The nation is owed an explanation, and in this day and age, I am sure that the report will either be released, or it will be leaked.