PAF participates in "Red Flag" and "Green Flag"

[behram]

Talked to a PAF pilot recently, yes there is a hint that No.9 Sqn will head for Red Flag.

 

[Super Falcon]

Number 9 Squadron so what fighter jets are in that squadron F 16 or Mirages

 

[mjnaushad]

Number 9 Squadron so what fighter jets are in that squadron F 16 or Mirages

F16 A, Perhaps upgrade to block40 standard

Pakistan Air Force Squadrons

This site says its F16 A

 

[Super Falcon]

sir their is no 50 block i heared of may be it is block 50/52 are you sure it is block 40

 

[WAQAS119]

Why PAF is not participating with JF17..?
I mean it is a good opportunity for PAF to determine its true capabilities.

no answer yet!!!!!!!
@PShamim: please sir! tell me why not JF17?

 

[Kompromat]

no answer yet!!!!!!!
@PShamim: please sir! tell me why not JF17?

It already has been answered , the JF-17 cannot Data Link with E-3 Awacs and other control measures used in Red Flag moreover the JF-17 has very little A2A capability as for now .

 

[behram]

sir their is no 50 block i heared of may be it is block 50/52 are you sure it is block 40

Block 15, or Block 15MLU will be flown to US if PAF gets the green light for Red Flag this year, no block 40s at all of course as PAF doesnt operate them. Don't know about the Block 52s though.

 

[fatman17]

Block 15, or Block 15MLU will be flown to US if PAF gets the green light for Red Flag this year, no block 40s at all of course as PAF doesnt operate them. Don't know about the Block 52s though.

my info (not verified) is that 4 MLU examples which r already in the US + 4 blk 52 will participate subject to GoP greenlight as the excercise is very expensive - ~$25m has been quoted.!!! - so lets see what happens.

 

[Storm Force]

blackblood

2 questions re your comment " It already has been answered , the JF-17 cannot Data Link with E-3 Awacs and other control measures used in Red Flag moreover the JF-17 has very little A2A capability as for now .

Are yopu saying Thunder has no datalink capability

Thunder has no Strike weapons. Its only recognised armanent are chinease
SD10 & pl9 a2a missles. In other words at the moment it has no laser guided strike weapons at all.

India took the SU30MKI with a non western data link system it was fine WHY NOT THUNDER.

My guess is the current Thunders stil very basic capability and RED FLAG IS VERY TECH strong environment.. Hence PAF will send its best planes the F16a/b/c to the excercise

 

[Kompromat]

blackblood

2 questions re your comment " It already has been answered , the JF-17 cannot Data Link with E-3 Awacs and other control measures used in Red Flag moreover the JF-17 has very little A2A capability as for now .

Are yopu saying Thunder has no datalink capability

Thunder has no Strike weapons. Its only recognised armanent are chinease
SD10 & pl9 a2a missles. In other words at the moment it has no laser guided strike weapons at all.

India took the SU30MKI with a non western data link system it was fine WHY NOT THUNDER.

My guess is the current Thunders stil very basic capability and RED FLAG IS VERY TECH strong environment.. Hence PAF will send its best planes the F16a/b/c to the excercise

I have never said that Thunder does not have any Data Linking system but my point was that its Data Linking system wont be able to communicate with E-3 AWACS .

MKI was unable to Communicate with the AWACS in Red Flag ! and this is why it was being said that MKI pilots had no idea what was going on in the Excercise.

The FC-1’s avionics architecture is supported by two mission computers based on Multi-Bus System (MIL-STD-1553B). The heart of the system is a 32-bit Weapon and Mission management Computer (WMMC) which performs mission computations, flight management, reconfiguration / redundancy management and in-flight system self-test.

Navigation -- Hybrid inertial navigation system (INS) and global positioning system (GPS);
Communications -- Independent data link with two Independent wide-band radios with anti-jamming capabilities; Electronic warfare (EW) -- Self production jammer, missile approach warning system, radar warning receiver (RWR), chaff & flare dispenser;
Identification of Friend and foe (IFF) -- IFF interrogator for target verification at the BVR range;
‘Glass’ cockpit -- Three large Multifunction Colour Displays (MFD) and smart Heads-Up Display (HUD) with built-in symbol generation capability; HOTAS;
Targeting -- Laser Designator and Targeting Pod (LDTP) for target illumination and detection with day/ night capabilities;

First 50 Thunders are meant to replace Q-5 Ground attack air crafts which means that the current fleet has a limited BVR capability.

Our Thunders cannot communicate with Erie just because of Data Linking differences but once we have new western Avionics for upcoming jets plus a Radar this problem would be solved and we would be sending Thunders to Anatolian Eagle and other excercises.

Moreover Thunders are capable of firing all sorts of PGM's and LGB's.

The aircraft can carry a special pod allowing day/night delivery of laser-guided weapons. In addition, it can also carry unguided weapons such as low-drag general-purpose (LDGP) bombs and unguided rocket launchers.

Regards:

 

[Al Bhatti]

UAE's F16s to take to the big screen

More than 700 Air Force guests attended the screening at Emirates Palace.

Abu Dhabi: The UAE Air Force and Air Defence yesterday hosted a red-carpet VIP screening of Desert Falcons, a documentary featuring the nation's role in Red Flag — the world's most challenging aerial combat training exercise.

More than 700 Air Force guests attended the screening at Emirates Palace.

Now UAE residents will be the first public audience in the world to see Desert Falcons, with its global broadcast premiere tonight at 10pm on Abu Dhabi's Al Emarat channel.

The English version will be broadcast on Abu Dhabi Sports at 10.30pm. The documentary will be shown again on June 26 during the weekly programme Al Madar on Abu Dhabi Sports.

Hosted by the US Air Force and held at Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada, USA, participation in Red Flag is by invitation only.

Since its first exercise in 1975, fewer than 30 countries have taken part.

From August 22 to September 5, 2009, more than 140 of the UAE Air Force's most talented fighter pilots and maintenance officers spent two weeks training in realistic aerial combat exercises conducted over the 15,000 square mile Nevada Test and Training Range north of Las Vegas. The documentary features the UAE's fighter aircraft the F16 Block 60, better known as the Desert Falcon.

Developed and built by Lockheed Martin, the Desert Falcons are the most technologically advanced F16s, and they are owned exclusively by the UAE Air Force.

Flying high: Defence display

For more information on the documentary and the UAE Air Force and Air Defence, log onto Desert Falcons

Source

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Watch the global Premiere of Desert Falcons on Wednesday, 23-june at 10 PM UAE time (6 pm GMT) on Abu Dhabi Al Emarat Channel

English broadcast will air on Wednesday, june 23 at 10.30 PM UAE time (6-30 PM GMT) Abu Dhabi Sports Channel


Desert Falcons

 

[behram]

UAE's F16s to take to the big screen

More than 700 Air Force guests attended the screening at Emirates Palace.

Abu Dhabi: The UAE Air Force and Air Defence yesterday hosted a red-carpet VIP screening of Desert Falcons, a documentary featuring the nation's role in Red Flag — the world's most challenging aerial combat training exercise.

More than 700 Air Force guests attended the screening at Emirates Palace.

Now UAE residents will be the first public audience in the world to see Desert Falcons, with its global broadcast premiere tonight at 10pm on Abu Dhabi's Al Emarat channel.

The English version will be broadcast on Abu Dhabi Sports at 10.30pm. The documentary will be shown again on June 26 during the weekly programme Al Madar on Abu Dhabi Sports.

Hosted by the US Air Force and held at Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada, USA, participation in Red Flag is by invitation only.

Since its first exercise in 1975, fewer than 30 countries have taken part.

From August 22 to September 5, 2009, more than 140 of the UAE Air Force's most talented fighter pilots and maintenance officers spent two weeks training in realistic aerial combat exercises conducted over the 15,000 square mile Nevada Test and Training Range north of Las Vegas. The documentary features the UAE's fighter aircraft the F16 Block 60, better known as the Desert Falcon.

Developed and built by Lockheed Martin, the Desert Falcons are the most technologically advanced F16s, and they are owned exclusively by the UAE Air Force.

Flying high: Defence display

For more information on the documentary and the UAE Air Force and Air Defence, log onto Desert Falcons

Source

------------

Watch the global Premiere of Desert Falcons on Wednesday, 23-june at 10 PM UAE time (6 pm GMT) on Abu Dhabi Al Emarat Channel

English broadcast will air on Wednesday, june 23 at 10.30 PM UAE time (6-30 PM GMT) Abu Dhabi Sports Channel


Desert Falcons

One of the "camels" was my instructor(and he was my dad's student).

 

[Chogy]

Interesting thread. In my own experience, a well-run Red Flag is probably the finest training available in the world, and I'm not stating that just because I am American. I believe it to be a reality. I have flown multiple Red Flags, Maple Flags, Copper Flag, and have also flown the "free fight" skies of Europe back when there was a West Germany, and any fighter anywhere is subject to (mock) attack. None of them can compare to Red Flag as a package that combines an enormous number of elements into a fight that tasks pilots and planners to the absolute maximum.

You've got a supersonic land range, which is often rare. Masking terrain. Multiple ground threats. Hot ranges for ground attack. Full ACMI for debrief, none of this "I shot you first" "no you didn't" crap. I've seen everything from strings of B-52's crossing a dry lake bed, kicking up rooster tails, to strike packages led by EF-111 and containing 18 attack aircraft, with defensive outriggers, pressing towards a target.

You've got ECM, ECCM, COMM jamming, as much fog of war that the administrators can create; again, replicating a real-world environment.

The adrenaline soars. Those who participate WILL get a feel for aerial combat that in many ways exceeds the real thing, at least in the low levels it has been executed in the last 2 decades.

You take from the training what you put into it. There is no "setup" involved in the sense of a scenario where you are either doomed to failure, or guaranteed to emerge victorious. The scenarios are what they are, and often an impossible situation turns into victory. Occasionally, they are stacked towards red, and the next day, they may favor blue. And isn't that war? You can't always expect a threat that is weak, or low in numbers.

I think it is a golden opportunity for the PAF, to learn both its own capabilities, and those of allies and adversaries.

 

[M8R]

PAF is going to Red Flag

Red Flag Participating Flying Units
19-30 July



Red Air
65 AGRS, F-16, Nellis AFB, Nev.
64 AGRS, F-15, Nellis AFB, Nev.

Escort

Interdiction
92 FS, RSAF (F-15S)
9 MRS, PAF (F-16CG)
VMFA-225, MCAS Miramar (F-18)
Grand Prairie, Singapore (CH-47)

Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses
VMAQ-3, MCAS Cherry Point, N.C. (EA-6B)
VAQ-132, Whidbey Island NAS, Wash. (EA-18B)

Command and Control
552 ACW, Tinker AFB, Okla. (E-3)
NATO (E-3)
130 RQS, Calif. ANG (MC-130)

Aerial Refueling
22 ARW, McConnell AFB, Kan. (KC-135)
Nellis Air Force Base - Flying Operations

 

[behram]

PAF is going to Red Flag

Red Flag Participating Flying Units
19-30 July



Red Air
65 AGRS, F-16, Nellis AFB, Nev.
64 AGRS, F-15, Nellis AFB, Nev.

Escort

Interdiction
92 FS, RSAF (F-15S)
9 MRS, PAF (F-16CG)
VMFA-225, MCAS Miramar (F-18)
Grand Prairie, Singapore (CH-47)

Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses
VMAQ-3, MCAS Cherry Point, N.C. (EA-6B)
VAQ-132, Whidbey Island NAS, Wash. (EA-18B)

Command and Control
552 ACW, Tinker AFB, Okla. (E-3)
NATO (E-3)
130 RQS, Calif. ANG (MC-130)

Aerial Refueling
22 ARW, McConnell AFB, Kan. (KC-135)
Nellis Air Force Base - Flying Operations

No.9 MRS F-16A. Nice to see they will fly with Jarheads.