PAF offers sale of JF-17, Super Mushshak to Kuwait Air Force

[The Eagle]

PAF offers sale of JF-17, Super Mushshak to Kuwait Air Force
August 4, 2016


PAF offers sale of JF-17, Super Mushshak to Kuwait Air Force

ISLAMABAD, Aug 4 (APP): Chief of the Air Staff (CAS), Air Chief Marshal Suhail Aman on Thursday met his Kuwaiti counterpart and offered sale of indigenously developed JF-17 and Super Mushshak aircraft besides providing training to pilots and expertise to technicians.

CAS is undertaking four-day official visit to Kuwait, a press release of PAF here stated.

The Air Chief called on Major General Abdullah Yaqoob Al-Fodri, Commander of Kuwait Air Force and highlighted the success story of JF-17 programme. He offered the sale of indigenously produced JF-17 Thunder and Super Mushshak aircraft to Kuwait Air Force.

He updated his counterpart about the flying training being undertaken by Kuwaiti Air Force pilots at PAF Academy Risalpur and offered assistance in establishment of training facilities for officers and technicians of Kuwait Air Force.

Commander Kuwait Air Force appreciated high standards of professionalism being set by Pakistan Air Force and expressed his desire to learn from each other’s experience.

He also reiterated further training of Kuwaiti pilots in Pakistan and thanked the Air Chief for offering quality training to Kuwaiti fighter pilots at PAF Academy.

Earlier, the Air Chief called on Lieutenant General (Staff) Khalid Al-Jarrah-Al-Sabah, Defence Minister of Kuwait. He conveyed the best wishes and greetings from the government and people of Pakistan and thanked the Kuwait government for an unwavering support to Pakistan.

He also discussed the bilateral relations between the two brotherly countries and offered assistance in establishing flying training and air defence setup for Kuwait Air Force.

Defence Minister of Kuwait expressed his satisfaction on the level of brotherly relations and cooperation between the two countries.

He lauded PAF’s role in fighting the war against terrorism and reiterated his resolve to stand by Pakistan in any hour of need.

The Air Chief also met Lieutenant General (Staff) Mohammad Khalid Al-Khider, Chief of General Staff Kuwait Defence Forces, Major General Khalid A Saleh Al-Sabah, Commander of Kuwait Land Forces and Major General, Khalid Ahmed Abdullah, Commander of Kuwait Naval Forces.

http://www.app.com.pk/paf-offers-sale-of-jf-17-super-mushshak-to-kuwait-air-force/

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

I dont think they will go for the JF-17 as many countries are waiting for it to mature and develop first. Super-Mushak seems like a more realistic option.

 

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Upgrade the 3rd Generation Airframe of JF-17 first.
Structure is constructed primarily of aluminum alloys. High strength steel and titanium alloy which are not the best bits of Elemental chemistry for Weight reduction and Maximum performance.
Replace it with a more powerful engine if possible at least one that doesn't produce smoke trails.it is operated at less than mach 1 currently when more aircraft's take mach 2 as Normal. So how is it a Good Interceptor?
The soviet union in the 1960s had su-15
The Su-15 had maximum speed of Mach 2.5 and a rate of climb of 228 m/s (very important parameter for an interceptor aircraft)
The Su-15 was a major part of the Soviet interceptor force until the early 1990s.
I don't understand how Jf-17 even qualifies as an Interceptor?
According to me a Great Interceptor should have at least 2.5 mach as normal Interception speed.
So If Kuwait doesn't buy them ,I don't blame them.Don't get me wrong JF-17 is a Good aircraft with some drawbacks

 

[The Eagle]

I dont think they will go for the JF-17 as many countries are waiting for it to mature and develop first. Super-Mushak seems like a more realistic option.

Pitching the offer for both Air-Crafts is interesting here, like for the sales point of view, offer options that you have so the buyer will think. Super Mushak is more interested now a days without any doubt that many Air Forces are operating them already, though JF-17 sale wouldn't be based upon something that may not interest the buyer so obviously an interesting draft of capable JF-17 would have been pitched.

 

[muhammadali233]

Upgrade the 3rd Generation Airframe of JF-17 first.
Structure is constructed primarily of aluminum alloys. High strength steel and titanium alloy which are not the best bits of Elemental chemistry for Weight reduction and Maximum performance.
Replace it with a more powerful engine if possible at least one that doesn't produce smoke trails.it is operated at less than mach 1 currently when more aircraft's take mach 2 as Normal. So how is it a Good Interceptor?
The soviet union in the 1960s had su-15
The Su-15 had maximum speed of Mach 2.5 and a rate of climb of 228 m/s (very important parameter for an interceptor aircraft)
The Su-15 was a major part of the Soviet interceptor force until the early 1990s.
I don't understand how Jf-17 even qualifies as an Interceptor?
According to me a Great Interceptor should have at least 2.5 mach as normal Interception speed.
So If Kuwait doesn't buy them ,I don't blame them.Don't get me wrong JF-17 is a Good aircraft with some drawbacks

Block 2 uses composite,Blk-3 will use more.Going by your theory F-16/15/18 are all 3rd gen?
F-35 has mach 1.6?It's engine doesn't restrict its speed,the DSI does.
Correction: Su-15 had max 2.1 mach speed,it was a high speed interceptor,JFT is not,it is a Light weight fighter,has BVR so no need to go fast?
Who told you it is an interceptor?Interceptor was 90's strategy,now 5th gen fighter are in the norm.

 

[Jhon Smith]

Upgrade the 3rd Generation Airframe of JF-17 first.
Structure is constructed primarily of aluminum alloys. High strength steel and titanium alloy which are not the best bits of Elemental chemistry for Weight reduction and Maximum performance.
Replace it with a more powerful engine if possible at least one that doesn't produce smoke trails.it is operated at less than mach 1 currently when more aircraft's take mach 2 as Normal. So how is it a Good Interceptor?
The soviet union in the 1960s had su-15
The Su-15 had maximum speed of Mach 2.5 and a rate of climb of 228 m/s (very important parameter for an interceptor aircraft)
The Su-15 was a major part of the Soviet interceptor force until the early 1990s.
I don't understand how Jf-17 even qualifies as an Interceptor?
According to me a Great Interceptor should have at least 2.5 mach as normal Interception speed.
So If Kuwait doesn't buy them ,I don't blame them.Don't get me wrong JF-17 is a Good aircraft with some drawbacks

fighter air craft are build for wars not for big wars as concept of big war are gone. You have to understand the wars in world. In today's world there are many wars are going on. Have you seen any real big war in last 10 years among armies? Now armies knows they are not going to big wars. Almost every Army are involved in wars with non armies. Pak army are against TTP, Indian Army are against Kashmiri, US army are against Talbian, Russian army against ISIS, Saudi army against Huties, Israel against Palestine public, China against local rebels in regions.
After concept of new shape of wars, and JF-17 is perfect jet as there is no army want to war with army but with rebel public, where only need fighter jet with any speed and any engine that drop bombs. Kuwait can be perfect with JF-17 jets as they will do the same job as Rafale , euro fighter , SU-15 , or F-22 will do for them against public rebels.

More or less all the world armies r made/support/fund by governments for one sigle purpose that r protection of Prime minster/president/king or governments of there respective country from there local public.

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Block 2 uses composite,Blk-3 will use more.Going by your theory F-16/15/18 are all 3rd gen?
F-35 has mach 1.6?It's engine doesn't restrict its speed,the DSI does.
Correction: Su-15 had max 2.1 mach speed,it was a high speed interceptor,JFT is not,it is a Light weight fighter,has BVR so no need to go fast?
Who told you it is an interceptor?Interceptor was 90's strategy,now 5th gen fighter are in the norm.

Was talking about JF-17 don't drag it into other Jets.
You still need a Fast enough speed to get into BVR range so by your theory there is no such thing as Interception in modern day??
F-16 and others you mentioned are not developed by Pakistan and China.
JF-17 has the same airframe in all the blocks.

 

[Genghis khan1]

Habibies like some pimped out jets. Pakistan needs to add some Bling Bling for habibes to start buying. Something like, better engine for decent thrust to weight ratio to make killer moves, some AESA and IRST on JF-17.

I dont think they will go for the JF-17 as many countries are waiting for it to mature and develop first. Super-Mushak seems like a more realistic option.

Pitching the offer for both Air-Crafts is interesting here, like for the sales point of view, offer options that you have so the buyer will think. Super Mushak is more interested now a days without any doubt that many Air Forces are operating them already, though JF-17 sale wouldn't be based upon something that may not interest the buyer so obviously an interesting draft of capable JF-17 would have been pitched.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Was talking about JF-17 don't drag it into other Jets.
You still need a Fast enough speed to get into BVR range so by your theory there is no such thing as Interception in modern day??
F-16 and others you mentioned are not developed by Pakistan and China.
JF-17 has the same airframe in all the blocks.

top speed doesn't matter much, it is acceleration that matter, by your logic why main powers of the world is not inventing the jet above mach 2, do some research than talk sir, JF-17 blk2 & 3 wil have composite material upgrade on it, and today interceptor term is over JF-17 is not a interceptor but multi-role light weight fighter

 

[Tipu7]

Upgrade the 3rd Generation Airframe of JF-17 first.
Structure is constructed primarily of aluminum alloys. High strength steel and titanium alloy which are not the best bits of Elemental chemistry for Weight reduction and Maximum performance.

Jf17 skeleton has high composite content. Its air frame also has composite at necessary places inorder to reduce its RCS. I don't know what is meant by ''3rd Generation air frame''? Ever seen frame of Su30MKI?

Replace it with a more powerful engine if possible at least one that doesn't produce smoke trails.it is operated at less than mach 1 currently when more aircraft's take mach 2 as Normal.

Jf17 will have new and better engine in Blk3 which will also be installed in Blk1&2 with time.
Era of High speed aircrafts is gone. Even F35 which is most advance and most modern air craft has top speed of Mach 1.6.

The Su-15 was a major part of the Soviet interceptor force until the early 1990s.
I don't understand how Jf-17 even qualifies as an Interceptor?

Jf17 is multi role aircraft. Its not a pure interceptor.
And top speed is not the only parameter which make an aircraft an ideal interceptor. It depends upon conditions which vary time to time and region to region.

 

[The Eagle]

Habibies like some pimped out jets. Pakistan needs to add some Bling Bling for habibes to start buying. Something like, better engine for decent thrust to weight ratio to make killer moves, some AESA and IRST on JF-17.

As we heard that CAS was in Russia previously so also it was reported before that an overhaul/maintenance facility is under consideration in Pakistan for RD-93 and beside that a guess, RD-93MA could be purchased in future. So most probably, the offer would be made what is in development. However, it is not yet confirmed whether which block was offered but seems like a ground set for up-coming block-III so the thing is, PAF made an offer to Kuwait and interesting times are ahead.

 

[New World]

Earlier, the Air Chief called on Lieutenant General (Staff) Khalid Al-Jarrah-Al-Sabah, Defence Minister of Kuwait. He conveyed the best wishes and greetings from the government and people of Pakistan and thanked the Kuwait government for an unwavering support to Pakistan.

The Air Chief also met Lieutenant General (Staff) Mohammad Khalid Al-Khider, Chief of General Staff Kuwait Defence Forces,

Major General Khalid A Saleh Al-Sabah, Commander of Kuwait Land Forces

Major General, Khalid Ahmed Abdullah, Commander of Kuwait Naval Forces.

a little question here..

why there is Khalid present in every name.

 

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a little question here..

why there is Khalid present in every name.

illuminati

 

[Super Falcon]

Arrogant Kuwaitis won't buy even if we offer them equal F 22 reason they think other non Arabs Muslim are like animals they only spend money on expensive toys which they hardly use

F 18 to kuwait tell me did u hear they did anything to fight any war in Iraq when they needed instead they begged us for help they are good for misusing money of GOD given natural resources

 

[nadeemkhan110]

KUWAIT: Air Chief Marshal Sohail Aman NI (M) Chief of Air Staff, Pakistan Air Force meets with Sheikh Khaled Al-Jarrah Al-Sabah, Defense Minister of the State of Kuwait.

KUWAIT: Air Chief Marshal Sohail Aman NI (M) Chief of Air Staff, Pakistan Air Force carried out an official visit to Kuwait from 3-6 August 2016.

He met Kuwaiti dignitaries including Lieutenant General (Staff ) Sheikh Khaled Al Jarrah Al-Sabah, Defense Minister of the State of Kuwait, Chief of General Staff, Kuwait Armed Forces, Lieutenant General (Staff) Mohammad Khaled Al-Khader, Commander of Kuwait Land Forces Major General (Staff ) Khalid Al-Saleh Al-Sabah, Commander of Kuwait Naval Forces Major General Khalid Ahmed Abdullah and Commander of Kuwait Air Force Major General (Staff ) Abdullah Yaqoob Al-Foudari. The Air Chief met the retired Pakistan Armed Forces personnel working with Kuwaiti Air Force.

He also met Pakistan community members. The visit is a manifestation of the close and fraternal ties between the two countries and has provided an opportunity to discuss matters of mutual interest and enhance cooperation between the Air Forces’ of the two countries and discuss ways to enhance cooperation in the fields of Training and Aviation Industry.
Source: Kuwait Times