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Bro, The F-35's payload is only (2,600 kg) for internal weapons.
If it has to carry weapons externally then its premium feature of stealth gets compromised.
But nevertheless, aircraft is great no doubt in it. Coupled with all the data-exchange, networking, EW etc. However, the US can upgrade or degrade its capabilities just using the software means you really don't want this bird until you have absolute trust on USA. In today's age when I can even see my house in Pakistan via my smart phone and move around the cameras. I can only imagine what data US could possibly gather, track, monitor and see or what kind of remote access they could have on each of those data driven / networked pieces.
I know that.
My point is that if you want to use it like a 4th generation fighter then it is designed to deliver results in this approach as well. It will do a better job on many counts in fact.
Yes.
And the argument saying that the 2015 tested F35 wasn't with the last FBW refinement is false : during the fine tune phase of a fighter, the aerodynamic characteristics are freezed from the beginning.
First preserial F35 flew in 2006. It don't take 9 years to end the aero flight testing. And LM is all but a newbie in this field.
A 2015' F35 doesn't fly worst than a 2022 or a 2030 one.
F-35 was in "development and testing" phase back in 2015. The objective of trials in "development and testing" phase is to validate operational performance parameters and get a handle on potential problems and limitations - this insight is important to develop the product further and improve its performance in the process. Dogfight trials in "development and testing" phase do not prove anything.
Skeptics needed a story to critic F-35 on the other hand and they got one. They rather proved that common sense is not so common.
F-35 could be put through its paces in terms of maneuverability at earliest in 2017:
F-35 achieved full warfighting capability at Block 3F configuration in 2018.
I told you catch up with times, right?
You really need to.
The helmet is non perfectly operationnal.
It was said just 2 or 3 years ago that the data fusion was not running.
How are the over heat problems?
All the goodies seemed very well on paper (the speciality of LM : showing powerpoint. They won with 2% margin in Netherlands against a real Rafale with a paper plane. A supercruise paper plane never materialized).
-A powerfull radar
-A powerfull full sector optronic
-A powerfull communication node
-A star wars Helmet
But are all these items running perfectly together? The answer today is NO. And it may be than final answer because when they debugged one software Pb, another one is created because they decided from the beginning to built a complete weapon system instead of moving step by step : air to air, then light air to ground, than air to ship, then .... The weapon system software is too big, built by too many differents teams in a too short time....
It is the LM propaganda.
Don't forget that F35 is stealthy in X band only (the air to air radar wave lenght), never in low band radar (maybe possible only for big bomber as B2) or against multistatism radar.
And F35 is a hot bird : it isn't supercruise because it is shaped as a sugar piece despite a 12 tons dry engine ! So it has to use it's engine in a high throttle so it is hot. Why do you think J-10 and J-20 have an electro optical system?
2 to 3 years ago.... Facepalm. Why do you bring up "development and testing" phase problems in your arguments? WE look at things at the stage of Block 3F and beyond.
There were complaints about the so-called green glow glitch in low light conditions but it is resolved.
These helmets have proven to be quite resilient. The F-35 has now logged over 400,000 flight hours to date and our 2,000-plus HMDs custom fit and delivered to date have held up well. The HMD system was designed to be operated and maintained in the most austere conditions our warfighters may be operating within. With this in mind, the HMD was designed with seven-line replaceable units (LRUs), that can be serviced or replaced in the field as necessary.
The F-35 Helmet – a Modern Marvel That Creates a Unique Maintenance Challenge - Modern Battlespace
Arthur De Ruiter and Dustin Vagedes of Collins Aerospace explain what makes the F-35 helmet so revolutionary – but challenging to maintain.
modernbattlespace.com
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I have not checked Netherlands rating scheme. But I can tell you this much: rating can be subjectively assigned to each performance parameter. The customer has the freedom to create a rating scheme according to localized operational requirements.
There is no such thing as "perfection." There is always room for further development and improvements. Why do you think Rafale F4R standard is under development? Something wrong with Rafale F3R standard?
F-35 is in fact a multinational project. This is why different teams were involved in developing its hardware and software. There can be demerits of this approach which you seem to stress upon, but you are also stuck in the past in your claims.
F-35 is globally operational and being put through its paces in operationally challenging conditions around the world. Many units were involved in combat operations as well. The hardware and software systems are being stressed and operationally validated. Complaints are being taken seriously and sorted out in time. Pilots are getting a handle on how this incredibly complex machine works and will develop tactics in time. Israeli have developed some tactics already.
You need to be realistic in your expectations. It is very easy for you to complain about F-35 from a distance but what has France to show in comparison? Until or less France develops a true 5th generation fighter, you will not understand how expensive and difficult this undertaking is to make sure that it ticks all the boxes that conform to 5th generation fighter standards.
You will find the physics part very frustrating in particular when you will be attempting to develop an airframe that should be optimized for stealth (and maneuverability). This isn't Harry Potter Magic, son.
Turkey is developing one in the present, and they won't have a combat-ready machine before 2030. This is assuming that everything proceeds smoothly as per the plan. Do the math.
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F-35 is stealthy in a range of frequency bands from L to X. Further considerations are classified and/or not discussed in public domain.
I posted something of relevance in a previous post:
PAF New Batch J-10 C Spotted
Don't worry, your country could obtain 5th generation figher from the US. Better late than never. It will never be the case. We are curious to see Switzerland, Finland and Germany with their lightning incapable of flying in the storm. We don't want a false 5th gen fighter, short on...
defence.pk
The aircraft can be detected (assuming a sophisticated IMAD setup), but the aircraft is designed and well-equipped to delay the inevitable and frustrate attempts to track it in real time and develop a Fire Solution for it, to buy sufficient time for the pilot to deliver knockout blows instead.
This discussion should stop now.
This thread is about J-10C.