PAF more vulnerable than ever: Ex IAF officer

[Basel]

franclly i think PAF will induct 5th gen fighter before IAF . its not because paksitan is my country but IAF is worse to buy things . FGFA was edge which india loss it already

There are several things which our military dont show publicly to keep element of surprise against enemy, they show some systems years after induction.

PAF knows that capable 5th gen will boost their capabilities to many folds against enemy and will defuse enemy air defence capabilities.

 

[Rafi]

Finally someone said it, too bad its not a Pakistani. @MastanKhan sb your comments are specially needed here.

@Maarkhoor We shouldnt be too cocky when deep down we know where the weaknesses are. As for India not going ahead, i think it has much to do with the presence of nuclear weapons that PAF's capabilities.

PAF lacks deep strike aircrafts, F-16s are far too limited, JF-17 are in a transition period and Mirages well the less we talk about them the better. Indian airforce with SU-30 MKI, MIrage 2000 and future Rafales will be a formidable force. Not to forget the updated Mig 29s for the IN. All of these under cover of S-400 and one can do the maths. PAF has neglected to acquire long range deep strike aircrafts and even when other options were available, still chose to run behind the F-16s which are always prone to sanctions and US blackmailing.

Long range Stealth drones and long range cruise missiles plus all kinds of PGM's will be making the deep strikes into bhindia. All will be networked with SATCOM's AWACS etc.

 

[Imran Khan]

There are several things which our military dont show publicly to keep element of surprise against enemy, they show some systems years after induction.

PAF knows that capable 5th gen will boost their capabilities to many folds against enemy and will defuse enemy air defence capabilities.

mujyh to j-31 aya nazer a raha hai next 5-7 years main

 

[SQ8]

It was always vunerable. That is like saying that the PAF faces “an enemy”... did not know Pushpinder Singh to make obvious statements.

Indians have become the “lapitoos” we could not see imagine to be.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) is more vulnerable than ever before even as long-range standoff weapons fired from planes and beyond visual-range missiles and drones have taken over in the modern air warfare where daring air raids with fighter jets flying across border may not be needed anymore.

These views were expressed by experts and former pilots, who have seen air battle during the 1965 Indo-Pak War, while debating “Air Power Lessons Learnt from the 1965 War and their Implementation” on the last day of the Military literature Festival (December 7-9) here today.

Responding to a question about the now role of the Indian Air Force in the context of Pakistan and China, Air Vice Marshal Manmohan Bahadur (retd), who is Additional Director General of think-tank Centre for Air Power Studies (CAPS), said: “A tandem manned and unmanned mission will be a reality. A human sitting inside a manned plane (fighter jet or transporter) will control the UAV that will be flying ahead to fire at a target. There will be a human behind the decision”.
He said the capability existed to have long-range strikes, “but unless we have total air dominance, the intelligence surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) facilities make it difficult. Yes, the beyond visual range (BVR) missiles are here to stay”, he said, adding “space-based weapons are far away. We are too far to see something fired from space at a ground target”.

New Delhi-based Pushpinder Singh, author of several books on military, including one on the PAF, said: “The PAF is more vulnerable than ever before.” In 1965, he said, the “PAF was cocky, they were young”. Deep down inside they knew if they made a mistake, they could be wiped out.
“They had this plan to strike at IAF bases, but they fumbled and messed up.” However, he said, in the past five to seven years, the PAF honed its skill in fighting a mountain battle due to its efforts in North Waziristan.

Jagan Pilarisetti, author of two books — one each on 1965 and 1971 wars —pointed out that during the 1965 battle, India did not have the air-to-air missile that the PAF had. “There was no strategy to win the war. We were just reacting. Lessons were learnt and in 1971 it was a different no-holds-barred fight.”

Air Marshal Bharat Kumar (retd) moderated the session. Group Captain RS Chhatwal discussed the role of radars in helping fighter pilots.

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/paf-more-vulnerable-than-ever-ex-officer/696152.html

FAKE NEWS. The source is indian and is based on the opinions of some sikh. The sikh faith calls for the annihilation of all Pakistanis/Muslims so I wouldn't take the opinions of ANY indian and especially the sikhs too seriously. If there was ANY truth in what they have staed regarding the PAF, then india would have attacked by now. The fact that they havn't despite being more than 7× bigger than us, having unlimited support from the West and Russia and access to advanced weapons systems whilst we are denied this privilege, says MUCH MORE than any retarded indian or sikh. Remember, these are the SAME people who used to say it is impossible for Pakistan to ever become a nuclear weapons state with or without Chinese help. We all know how that one ended up...

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I heard s400 destryed a squadran of israli f16s when they caused that russian plane to be shot down while hiding behind it killing 13 russians that russia held them responsible for

Can you post a link as evidence for your claims?

 

[Windjammer]

There are air forces that are Predatory Perfunctory and there are others that are simply Peacock Displays.
And Agni Pankh is often referred by the commentators as making stupendous artistry.
History has repeatedly proved the fact,

 

[bananarepublic]

Long range Stealth drones and long range cruise missiles plus all kinds of PGM's will be making the deep strikes into bhindia. All will be networked with SATCOM's AWACS etc.

i had thread going on here to discuss the importance of stealth drone for the PAF as a force multiplier against IAF a cheap and no conventional way to increase offensive capabilities of PA

 

[Samlee]

The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) is more vulnerable than ever before even as long-range standoff weapons fired from planes and beyond visual-range missiles and drones have taken over in the modern air warfare where daring air raids with fighter jets flying across border may not be needed anymore.

These views were expressed by experts and former pilots, who have seen air battle during the 1965 Indo-Pak War, while debating “Air Power Lessons Learnt from the 1965 War and their Implementation” on the last day of the Military literature Festival (December 7-9) here today.

Responding to a question about the now role of the Indian Air Force in the context of Pakistan and China, Air Vice Marshal Manmohan Bahadur (retd), who is Additional Director General of think-tank Centre for Air Power Studies (CAPS), said: “A tandem manned and unmanned mission will be a reality. A human sitting inside a manned plane (fighter jet or transporter) will control the UAV that will be flying ahead to fire at a target. There will be a human behind the decision”.
He said the capability existed to have long-range strikes, “but unless we have total air dominance, the intelligence surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) facilities make it difficult. Yes, the beyond visual range (BVR) missiles are here to stay”, he said, adding “space-based weapons are far away. We are too far to see something fired from space at a ground target”.

New Delhi-based Pushpinder Singh, author of several books on military, including one on the PAF, said: “The PAF is more vulnerable than ever before.” In 1965, he said, the “PAF was cocky, they were young”. Deep down inside they knew if they made a mistake, they could be wiped out.
“They had this plan to strike at IAF bases, but they fumbled and messed up.” However, he said, in the past five to seven years, the PAF honed its skill in fighting a mountain battle due to its efforts in North Waziristan.

Jagan Pilarisetti, author of two books — one each on 1965 and 1971 wars —pointed out that during the 1965 battle, India did not have the air-to-air missile that the PAF had. “There was no strategy to win the war. We were just reacting. Lessons were learnt and in 1971 it was a different no-holds-barred fight.”

Air Marshal Bharat Kumar (retd) moderated the session. Group Captain RS Chhatwal discussed the role of radars in helping fighter pilots.

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/paf-more-vulnerable-than-ever-ex-officer/696152.html

I Bet This Pushpindar Has Never Even Flown A Paper Plane In His Entire Useless Life

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

It’s the era of EW vs EW...

Israil is demonstrating it live on a daily basis...

Pak needs to invest in EW!!! The ground work is being done by the Turkish folks!!! Leverage it by 200%...

 

[Rafi]

i had thread going on here to discuss the importance of stealth drone for the PAF as a force multiplier against IAF a cheap and no conventional way to increase offensive capabilities of PA

i had thread going on here to discuss the importance of stealth drone for the PAF as a force multiplier against IAF a cheap and no conventional way to increase offensive capabilities of PA

The PAF will have 2 Chinese and 1 indigenous HALE drone options.

 

[Arsalan 345]

65 and 71 war is over.we are now in 21st century.in 2008, indian air force identified many targets inside pakistan but they didn't start the show.i think fear is the greatest challenge for indian air force right now.both countries have stand off weapons and both can fly drone and attack each other.indian retired generals must talk about real scenerios like in 2008 where indian air force deployed a squadron of migs in new dehli and put black cloth over taj mahal.this was fear.as far as deep penetration is concerned,india have advantage in terms of su-30s but pakistani f-16s are also good enough.you have to talk about fear.this fear is the worst enemy of indian air force and mentally,they are still under pressure.

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) is more vulnerable than ever before even as long-range standoff weapons fired from planes and beyond visual-range missiles and drones have taken over in the modern air warfare where daring air raids with fighter jets flying across border may not be needed anymore.

These views were expressed by experts and former pilots, who have seen air battle during the 1965 Indo-Pak War, while debating “Air Power Lessons Learnt from the 1965 War and their Implementation” on the last day of the Military literature Festival (December 7-9) here today.

Responding to a question about the now role of the Indian Air Force in the context of Pakistan and China, Air Vice Marshal Manmohan Bahadur (retd), who is Additional Director General of think-tank Centre for Air Power Studies (CAPS), said: “A tandem manned and unmanned mission will be a reality. A human sitting inside a manned plane (fighter jet or transporter) will control the UAV that will be flying ahead to fire at a target. There will be a human behind the decision”.
He said the capability existed to have long-range strikes, “but unless we have total air dominance, the intelligence surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) facilities make it difficult. Yes, the beyond visual range (BVR) missiles are here to stay”, he said, adding “space-based weapons are far away. We are too far to see something fired from space at a ground target”.

New Delhi-based Pushpinder Singh, author of several books on military, including one on the PAF, said: “The PAF is more vulnerable than ever before.” In 1965, he said, the “PAF was cocky, they were young”. Deep down inside they knew if they made a mistake, they could be wiped out.
“They had this plan to strike at IAF bases, but they fumbled and messed up.” However, he said, in the past five to seven years, the PAF honed its skill in fighting a mountain battle due to its efforts in North Waziristan.

Jagan Pilarisetti, author of two books — one each on 1965 and 1971 wars —pointed out that during the 1965 battle, India did not have the air-to-air missile that the PAF had. “There was no strategy to win the war. We were just reacting. Lessons were learnt and in 1971 it was a different no-holds-barred fight.”

Air Marshal Bharat Kumar (retd) moderated the session. Group Captain RS Chhatwal discussed the role of radars in helping fighter pilots.

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/paf-more-vulnerable-than-ever-ex-officer/696152.html

A lot of horse manure from a beaten air force, which we kicked their back side many times.

PAF is not weak, and is ready and able as ever. Anyone suggesting PAF is weak is only indulging in 5th Gen warfare.

 

[SQ8]

A lot of horse manure from a beaten air force, which will kicked the back side many times.

PAF is not weak, and is ready and able as ever. Anyone suggesting PAF is weak is only indulging in 5th Gen warfare.

This is for local population consumption and chest beating. They have enough intelligence on us and vice versa to know exactly where who stands.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

The Sikh general is correct in his assessment about the Paf---. I have been stating the same thing for the last decade plus---.

Nowhere in the realms of history---a smaller nation has protected its sovereignty by keeping a defensive force---against a much larger enemy attacking force---.

The generals words need to be assessed carefully and understood as to what he is saying---.

 

[Kakaspai]

With around 170 modren fighters PAF is vulnerable no denying