Wingman
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Oh, well...I guess it was the thought that counted...
You did not answer what do u wana prove???
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Oh, well...I guess it was the thought that counted...
You did not answer what do u wana prove???
I have sent you your answer....
Here you go read below email from F/O Shams
"Hello.....
Yes I am Mohammad Shamsul Haq with 3 kills and 2 damaged, shortly was known as Shams S.J. There was also a schamsul Haq.
I resigned in 1976 after about 10 years in the Air force, Then I flew as a Flight Instructor for Peshawar and Karachi Aero Clubs for another year and a half. Then I joined PIA & flew for PIA for another about 10 years, I left the Air force due to (Lets say internal Politics). I was a Flight Lt. about to be a Sqdn. Ldr. when I and some of my friends decided to call it a day and leave the service. I came to the USA in in 1978 and joined Eastern Airlines. When that Airline went bankrupt, I went to UK and flew a BAC1-11 for a saudi Sheikh.
In 1981, I joined Saudi Arabian Airlines as a Instrurctor on BAC1-11 and also flew the G11 and G111 for them till 1998. Came back to USA and joined Atlas Air hauling Cargo in the B-747 ( that job sucked) so I left them and joined NETJETS Flying the G4, and went back to Jeddah for 2 years to set up Net Jets Middle East then I came back to USA and flew for Net Jets till 2007, when I injured my back and Finally Retired. Now I own and operate my own business. Thats my short story so post it around so I dont repeat it. I WAS AND AM THE ONE AND ONLY THE FAMOUS SHAMS. I will check the web site when I get some time. thanks for the email keep in touch and may Allah give you your desired passion of flying may be in the Civil
Regards to All. Shams"
Forcetrip nobody is talking about religion here.I am talking about physical aspect.It is unrealistic to expect women to go beyond 10-11 years (While Air Force invests huge amount of money on them and expect them to stay for at least 25-35 years) ......
Here you go read below email from F/O Shams
"Hello.....
Yes I am Mohammad Shamsul Haq with 3 kills and 2 damaged, shortly was known as Shams S.J. There was also a schamsul Haq.
I resigned in 1976 after about 10 years in the Air force, Then I flew as a Flight Instructor for Peshawar and Karachi Aero Clubs for another year and a half. Then I joined PIA & flew for PIA for another about 10 years, I left the Air force due to (Lets say internal Politics). I was a Flight Lt. about to be a Sqdn. Ldr. when I and some of my friends decided to call it a day and leave the service. I came to the USA in in 1978 and joined Eastern Airlines. When that Airline went bankrupt, I went to UK and flew a BAC1-11 for a saudi Sheikh.
In 1981, I joined Saudi Arabian Airlines as a Instrurctor on BAC1-11 and also flew the G11 and G111 for them till 1998. Came back to USA and joined Atlas Air hauling Cargo in the B-747 ( that job sucked) so I left them and joined NETJETS Flying the G4, and went back to Jeddah for 2 years to set up Net Jets Middle East then I came back to USA and flew for Net Jets till 2007, when I injured my back and Finally Retired. Now I own and operate my own business. Thats my short story so post it around so I dont repeat it. I WAS AND AM THE ONE AND ONLY THE FAMOUS SHAMS. I will check the web site when I get some time. thanks for the email keep in touch and may Allah give you your desired passion of flying may be in the Civil
Regards to All. Shams"
But PAF Official Records, Kaiser Tufail book both credits Mohammad Shamsul Haq for 3 kills.
Can you provide an image of Tufail's story on the Shams kills? The book is not available in the United States. Thank you.
PS: to your observation, then why do other people credit Schames with the kills including the same PAF Official records???? In the end it does not matter...
In GDP 10 yearssssssssssssss comitment is lonnnnnnnnnngggggggg time for males but for females it is just 10 years. Am I right Dreamer and Patriot PP
Yes a great hero of 1971 war; who in his early 20's bagged 3 enemy aircrafts, at least he returned something big against his investment .....on the other hand PAF invested on female pilots two of them were capable of flying jets...and still they dont wana fly them...the culprit one perhaps F/O Hina Javed, who simply refused to fly..MuradK had written in his posts in the forum somewhere...
I would say to you just show some respect for F/O Shams