PAF is well-equipped, updated force: air chief

[Muhammad Omar]

and in whose govt drones took off from pak bases and bombed inside pak? drone is a big issue. we get humiliated on monthly bases but majority of us are used to it now.


but in some shows like mahaaz etc you will see pilots making huge statements. this is our national psyche. we are never realistic.

Those Huge statements are good for Morale only..

 

[!eon]

Please stop praising yourself. Thats cheap habit.
Give the others that chance of praising you by really updating PAF

 

[Eagel star]

You can't Fight with Rafales if you are Flying F-7's against it Sir... it'll shot you down before you even know..

Yes I know that's why Allah say in Quran tum kafiro ke mukable hamesha tayar band ghore taiyar rakho u know at that time hourse is best weapon in a war so we should modernized our forse as much I can do

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Why not?

What you say would be true if the F7PG was fighting the Rafale 1 vs 1, but Modern Day Warfare is fought under a Net Centric Environment and not 1 vs 1. Off course the Rafale has a better Radar and can see the PG long before PG can see the Rafale, but the PG does not needs its own radar to see the Rafale and can link through to an AWAC or Grouund Control to know where the Rafale is. The F7PG is a deadly fighter in WVR combat, i would say it will fare quite well if its fighting the Rafale's in WVR engagements. Not once, but on multiple occasions the PG's have hammered the F16's and F15's. Most of the engagements against IAF will be fought WVR, and not BVR.

In Future it'll be BVR..

 

[notorious_eagle]

In Future it'll be BVR..

Not True

You would have a point if our geographical distance was 2000km, but we live right next to each other. There will be limited BVR Engagements but most of the fights will be in WVR, because if the IAF wants to damage PAF, it will have to punch through the border and enter PAF's airspace.

For limited BVR Engagements, we have plenty of F16's and JF17's. Keep in mind, in the present day and age Strike Packages are the name of the game. A PAF Strike Package will contain a mix of Mirages, F7 PG's, F16's and JF17's. F16's and JF17's to provide air cover and engage in Electronic Warfare, PG's to guard the Mirages for close WVR Fights and Mirages to deliver Strikes. Not as simple as you might think, the F7PG rightly used is a deadly aircraft.

 

[Sine Nomine]

Most of the engagements against IAF will be fought WVR, and not BVR.

It's art of warfare to not let your enemies to fight on there terms and there ground,make them to fight on your terms and your choice of ground.Knowing notoriety of PAF pilots in VVR Indians will push as much as they can to not let a VVR happen, in BVR they have got edge right from fighter jets to electronic warfare capabilities.

 

[litman]

Why not?

What you say would be true if the F7PG was fighting the Rafale 1 vs 1, but Modern Day Warfare is fought under a Net Centric Environment and not 1 vs 1. Off course the Rafale has a better Radar and can see the PG long before PG can see the Rafale, but the PG does not needs its own radar to see the Rafale and can link through to an AWAC or Grouund Control to know where the Rafale is. The F7PG is a deadly fighter in WVR combat, i would say it will fare quite well if its fighting the Rafale's in WVR engagements. Not once, but on multiple occasions the PG's have hammered the F16's and F15's. Most of the engagements against IAF will be fought WVR, and not BVR.

in PAF theory it is possible but in reality 99 times out of 100 F-7 will be the loser. even if this theory is right then why the world is building the 4.5 gen jets if they will lose to jets of 60s era. F-7 may have hammered the F-16s and F-15s in exercises as you have said but in those exercises conditions are applied. PAF BVRless F-16s( not MLUed at that time) defeated the typhoons in some exercises of close combat only. in case of a war there will be no restrictions and enemy will come at you with full force. there will be AWACS, SAMs, BVR engagement, radar jamming etc.

 

[notorious_eagle]

It's art of warfare to not let your enemies to fight on there terms and there ground,make them to fight on your terms and your choice of ground.Knowing notoriety of PAF pilots in VVR Indians will push as much as they can to not let a VVR happen, in BVR they have got edge right from fighter jets to electronic warfare capabilities.

True, but for the IAF to cause any real damage they will have punch through PAF's defenses and cross over. Without crossing over, both sides will just be locking on and taking BVR shots from a distance where the kill ratio would be very low. And i would disagree about the edge in EW and BVR. I would still bet my bottom dollar on the AIM-120 any day over the V-77, and the PAF F16's carry ALQ-211(V9) pods.

in PAF theory it is possible but in reality 99 times out of 100 F-7 will be the loser. even if this theory is right then why the world is building the 4.5 gen jets if they will lose to jets of 60s era. F-7 may have hammered the F-16s and F-15s in exercises as you have said but in those exercises conditions are applied. PAF BVRless F-16s( not MLUed at that time) defeated the typhoons in some exercises of close combat only. in case of a war there will be no restrictions and enemy will come at you with full force. there will be AWACS, SAMs, BVR engagement, radar jamming etc.

The F7PG will loose 100 out of 100 times 1 vs 1 against any Indian Fighter. But the odds shift considerably when the PG engages in WVR Combat. As i said, PAF does not intend to send the PG in a BVR Fight but would rather reserve the PG for a WVR Knife Fight.

 

[litman]

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The F7PG will loose 100 out of 100 times 1 vs 1 against any Indian Fighter. But the odds shift considerably when the PG engages in WVR Combat. As i said, PAF does not intend to send the PG in a BVR Fight but would rather reserve the PG for a WVR Knife Fight.

and how come F-7 PG will come so close to indian fighters. there are few tactics that can be employed but how many times they will be effective? it seems PAF has developed some methods to make their jets invisible to enemy radars, eyes of the enemy pilots and suddenly these jets will appear on the tail of the enemy fighters out of no where. cho mantar.
the attacking enemy jets will be in complete package with jets with designated roles .

Not True

You would have a point if our geographical distance was 2000km, but we live right next to each other. There will be limited BVR Engagements but most of the fights will be in WVR, because if the IAF wants to damage PAF, it will have to punch through the border and enter PAF's airspace.

For limited BVR Engagements, we have plenty of F16's and JF17's. Keep in mind, in the present day and age Strike Packages are the name of the game. A PAF Strike Package will contain a mix of Mirages, F7 PG's, F16's and JF17's. F16's and JF17's to provide air cover and engage in Electronic Warfare, PG's to guard the Mirages for close WVR Fights and Mirages to deliver Strikes. Not as simple as you might think, the F7PG rightly used is a deadly aircraft.

right but what will be the opposition for such a strike package? Su30, AWACS, Rafales, S400 etc. attacking deep inside the enemy territory will be a nightmare for both IAF and PAF specially for PAF due to limited numbers of hi tech jets. the only solution to this solution is fifth gen jets

 

[John Reese]

True, but for the IAF to cause any real damage they will have punch through PAF's defenses and cross over. Without crossing over, both sides will just be locking on and taking BVR shots from a distance where the kill ratio would be very low. And i would disagree about the edge in EW and BVR. I would still bet my bottom dollar on the AIM-120 any day over the V-77, and the PAF F16's carry .

Sir I Request you to Research More About Indian EW Capabilities
Elta EL/M-8222 a self-protection jammer With RF And EL/L-8251 Escort jammers in SEAD/DEAD Its

And Phase-3 MKI are Armed With Virgilius AESA-Based Internal EW Suite Virgilius family of directional jammers, which make use of active phased-array transmitters for jamming hostile low-band (E-G) and high-band (G-J) emitters.At the heart of the capability is a digital, software reprogrammable radio frequency memory (DRFM) that is used to deceive and jam coherent multimode airborne radars. The DRFM incorporates both the RF and memory sections required for digitising and storing signals of interest, as well as the techniques generator.

Also What Makes Edge In BVR for Indian Fighters is Introduction Of Passive infra-red search and track (IRST) system
With New Version Of R-77T / RVV-TE with - Infrared homing & New generation R-27ET Missiles Capibility Which PAF Fighters Lack

If Go through Recent Indra dhunsh Exercise With RAF IRST Made Quite Contribution In Matching MKi Capabilities With RAF Typhoons In BVR Combat

 

[MastanKhan]

No matter which plane u fly its all about pilot gutsssssss

Hi,

Every pilot that flys has guts---.

 

[John Reese]

The F7PG will loose 100 out of 100 times 1 vs 1 against any Indian Fighter. But the odds shift considerably when the PG engages in WVR Combat. As i said, PAF does not intend to send the PG in a BVR Fight but would rather reserve the PG for a WVR Knife Fight.

The Arena of WVR Combat Changes In IAF Favor After Introduction high-angle off-boresight IRCCM Missiles With HMDS

India Uses 4 Types of HOBS Missile Currently

• R-73E
• Python-5
• AIM-132 ASRAAM
• MICA RF/IR

Capability Which All PAF Current Generation Fighter Aircrafts Lacks

 

[CHI RULES]

You can't Fight with Rafales if you are Flying F-7's against it Sir... it'll shot you down before you even know..

Even not with MKI

 

[Muhammad Omar]

The F7PG will loose 100 out of 100 times 1 vs 1 against any Indian Fighter. But the odds shift considerably when the PG engages in WVR Combat. As i said, PAF does not intend to send the PG in a BVR Fight but would rather reserve the PG for a WVR Knife Fight.

IAF will hit hard... After countering our F-16 and JF-17 with MKI MiG 29 Rafales Even (F-16 block V or F-18) do you think that IAF will send their jets to a WVR fight they can take our Mirages and F-7 in a target practice

We don't even have a Deep strike Mission aircraft we are just A Defensive force weather it's our Navy or Airforce

 

[Azad-Kashmiri]

Chief of the Staff Air Chief Marshal Suhail Aman on Wednesday said that Pakistan Air Force (PAF) is well-equipped and an updated force.

Why are we putting up with this poverty so they can say have a good time on our backs? Kashmiris are murdered daily, raped again and this idiot is talking about be well equipped; for what and for whom? These drunken ginerals are only for killing ''their'' own people.

Insha'Allah Ulema Ikram will come and resolve all matters!