PAF F-16 mlu specifications and 36 blk 52+ prospects

[Manticore]

qouting Hkhan from pakdef

36 F-16 C/D Block 52+ contract was for approximately $3 billion.

18 F-16 C/D Block 52 @ $1.42 billion

$628 million for all the armaments (AIM-120, Sidewinders, JDAM, 2000lbs bombs, LGM kits, etc)

$95 million for 500 Sidewinders
The second batch of Block 52+ will be not cost $1.42 billion since most of the training and infrastructure will be in place.

PAF buying more Block 52+ has zero bearing on the procurement programs of JF-17 and FC-20 or MMRC (not sure why folks equate the procurement of any weapon system with Bharati plans).

 

[Manticore]

so probable 36 mlu and 36 blk52 will be constituting the future 4 operational squadrons

10 f16s are not going through mlu -- perhaps they might be used for spare parts...

14 paf f16s are still embargoed

used f16s might be obtained asper sir fatman

 

[razgriz19]

so probable 36 mlu and 36 blk52 will be constituting the future 4 operational squadrons

10 f16s are not going through mlu -- perhaps they might be used for spare parts...

14 paf f16s are still embargoed

used f16s might be obtained asper sir fatman

well there were 28 embargoed f-16s in total, these 14 f-16s dont belong to us anymore...
we paid for them but we were paid back in wheat, grains etc (other 14 were given to us during 2005/6 period)

musharraf said it in an interview...

but who knows we might get them in aid or something..

 

[Asian.Century]

qouting Hkhan from pakdef

36 F-16 C/D Block 52+ contract was for approximately $3 billion.

18 F-16 C/D Block 52 @ $1.42 billion

$628 million for all the armaments (AIM-120, Sidewinders, JDAM, 2000lbs bombs, LGM kits, etc)

$95 million for 500 Sidewinders
The second batch of Block 52+ will be not cost $1.42 billion since most of the training and infrastructure will be in place.

PAF buying more Block 52+ has zero bearing on the procurement programs of JF-17 and FC-20 or MMRC (not sure why folks equate the procurement of any weapon system with Bharati plans).

Donot pay much heed to hkhan,

Before said, H Khan is a two year old living in american, chawal from Pakdef forum. We already have new F16 block 52 in our inventory y beg more to benefit the corrupt & slaves in PAF?

The a$$ doesnot even know bharat is the enemy, and it costs money to sustain jf-17s, j10s and these sanction prone expensive new 18 f16s, while we already have new ones. can our economy which is near to default sustain this and what abt common pakistanis?

$90 million for one F-16 block 52 = Holy f*ck!!

 

[Asian.Century]

qouting Hkhan from pakdef

36 F-16 C/D Block 52+ contract was for approximately $3 billion.

18 F-16 C/D Block 52 @ $1.42 billion

$628 million for all the armaments (AIM-120, Sidewinders, JDAM, 2000lbs bombs, LGM kits, etc)

$95 million for 500 Sidewinders
The second batch of Block 52+ will be not cost $1.42 billion since most of the training and infrastructure will be in place.

PAF buying more Block 52+ has zero bearing on the procurement programs of JF-17 and FC-20 or MMRC (not sure why folks equate the procurement of any weapon system with Bharati plans).

Donot pay much heed to hkhan,

Before said, H Khan is a two year old living in american, chawal from Pakdef forum. We already have new F16 block 52 in our inventory y beg more to benefit the corrupt & slaves in PAF?

The a$$ doesnot even know bharat is the enemy, and it costs money to sustain jf-17s, j10s and these sanction prone expensive new 18 f16s, while we already have new ones. can our economy which is near to default sustain this and what abt common pakistanis?

$90 million for one F-16 block 52

 

[epinephrine]

i dont know why pakistanis want their military to fight for their country without any equipment?
the slogan of"huge" defence budget is just a lame excuse by our politicians to cover their failures n lack of sincerity of the state.despite of the defence expenditure their r ample funds available for the development projects if properly n honestly used but unfortunately only 1-2% of the allocated funds for a specific project is utilized correctly rest all goes to swiss banks .

 

[SQ8]

Donot pay much heed to hkhan,

Before said, H Khan is a two year old living in american, chawal from Pakdef forum. We already have new F16 block 52 in our inventory y beg more to benefit the corrupt & slaves in PAF?

The a$$ doesnot even know bharat is the enemy, and it costs money to sustain jf-17s, j10s and these sanction prone expensive new 18 f16s, while we already have new ones. can our economy which is near to default sustain this and what abt common pakistanis?

$90 million for one F-16 block 52 = Holy f*ck!!

That 90 million includes spare parts, training, logistics equipment etc along with a Block 52 jet.
That being said.. the PAF block 52's are comparatively the most advanced all American(all American weapons and electronic equipment) purchase of block 52's. (Morocco has just joined in).
Comparatively the UAE block 60's cost them 80 million per plane with everything ..however that deal was signed in mid 2000.. which if accounted for inflation for 2006 when the PAF deal was signed.. would cost the UAE 96 million per plane including all the logistics and extra stuff.
Had the PAF signed the contract back in 2000 will all the bells and whistles included in our jets.. it would have cost us 76 million per plane.

So its not all black and white money. The PAF wanted a strike aircraft .. its eye was on the M2k, unfortunately none were available and feasible.
The Gripen was not yet a strike jet.. and so the F-16 was overall the best option for us. And yes once more to any person coming up with the kill switch theory... we can use it to hit targets in the east.
What we cannot do is have some local or Chinese engineers open up the APG-68 or the Sniper pod and say "have a look , see if you can make it".

 

[Manticore]

 

[muse]

Antibody

On a slightly different note - can or has any thought been given to the idea of using WS13 engine for the PAF Mirage fleet??

 

[Manticore]

^ATAR 09C is overhauled at kamra -- the other engine in this category is General Electric J79 -- i dont know if china has made any engine of mach2 in this weight and type category -- its a 1960s tech so its better to move on to greener pastures -me thinks!

 

[muse]

I was under the impression that the south African Cheetah used the RD93 - and if that worked out why wouldn't ....

 

[Manticore]

Atar 9K50C-11 is used by them however the rd93 was tested and was considered impressive but i reckon the programme was rolled back in favour of grippen

 

[Arsalan]

More Pakistan Air Force F-16A/B upgrade Kits Ordered

Lockheed Martin has been awarded a new contract to provide an additional ten upgrade kits for Pakistan Air Force F-16A/B Block 15 fighters
Dave Allport -
30-Jul-2011

LOCKHEED MARTIN was awarded a $42.31 million Foreign Military Sales contract on July 29 through the US Air Force for ten additional Enhanced Modernisation Program kits for Pakistan Air Force (PAF) F-16A/B Block 15 aircraft. The order follows on from a previous $325.485 million deal for 35 F-16A/B Block 15 Mid-Life Update (MLU) kits that was awarded to Lockheed Martin on May 21, 2010. Prior to this, a deal had already been signed on June 29, 2009, with Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) for installation of the kits on these aircraft.
Pakistani defence officials subsequently confirmed on December 10, 2010, that a final agreement had been signed the previous week for the installation work by TAI. Work then commenced around two months later, when the PAF sent the first F-16s to TAI’s facility in Ankara for upgrade. Only the first two or three aircraft are being worked on in Ankara, following which the remaining F-16s are being upgraded locally by TAI personnel in Pakistan.

More Pakistan Air Force F-16A/B upgrade Kits Ordered: key.Aero: The Homepage of Aviation

so this means all our existing blk 15 will have an MLU!

good news!

 

[VCheng]

Antibody

On a slightly different note - can or has any thought been given to the idea of using WS13 engine for the PAF Mirage fleet??

Re-engining a platform that old is no trivial task. Further, the Mirages are dying because of major airframe components maxxing out on stress cycles.

 

[Manticore]

so this means all our existing blk 15 will have an MLU!

good news!

so is this still on , or we have moved on to j10?