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The worLD is crazy abouT P.a.F. ...

.” The PAF remains the only foreign air force in the world to have received Chuck Yeager’s admiration – a recommendation which the PAF is proud of. (Source: PIADS)

(General (Retd.) Chuck Yeager (USAF) , Book: Yeager, the Autobiography).
 
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MuZammiL Dr. s[1]n;1143966 said:
aT eaSe ganTLemen ... enD of DisCusSiOn : " P.a.F. is The BesT " .. iaf sTanDs far more inferiOr To our P.a.F. .. LeT me give you guys some reaL eViDence ... pay aTTenTion anD reaD ThaT :

YEAGER



“When we arrived in Pakistan in 1971, the political situation between the Pakistanis and Indians was really tense over Bangladesh, or East Pakistan, as it was known in those days, and Russia was backing India with tremendous amounts of new airplanes and tanks. The U.S. and China were backing the Pakistanis. My job was military advisor to the Pakistani air force, headed by Air Marshal Rahim Khan, who had been trained in Britain by the Royal Air Force, and was the first Pakistani pilot to exceed the speed of sound. He took me around to their different fighter groups and I met their pilots, who knew me and were really pleased that I was there.



They had about five hundred airplanes, more than half of them Sabres and 104 Starfighters, a few B-57 bombers, and about a hundred Chinese MiG-19s. They were really good, aggressive dogfighters and proficient in gunnery and air combat tactics. I was damned impressed. Those guys just lived and breathed flying.
The Pakistanis whipped their [Indians'] ***** in the sky, but it was the other way around in the ground war. The air war lasted two weeks and the Pakistanis scored a three-to-one kill ratio, knocking out 102 Russian-made Indian jets and losing thirty-four airplanes of their own. I’m certain about the figures because I went out several times a day in a chopper and counted the wrecks below. I counted wrecks on Pakistani soil, documented them by serial number, identified the components such as engines, rocket pods, and new equipment on newer planes like the Soviet SU-7 fighter-bomber and the MiG-21 J, their latest supersonic fighter. The Pakistani army would cart off these items for me, and when the war ended, it took two big American Air Force cargo lifters to carry all those parts back to the States for analysis by our intelligence division.



I didn’t get involved in the actual combat because that would’ve been too touchy, but I did fly around and pick up shot-down Indian pilots and take them back to prisoner-of-war camps for questioning. I interviewed them about the equipment they had been flying and the tactics their Soviet advisers taught them to use. I wore a uniform or flying suit all the time, and it was amusing when those Indians saw my name tag and asked, “Are you the Yeager who broke the sound barrier?”



They couldn’t believe I was in Pakistan or understand what I was doing there. I told them, “I’m the American Defense Rep here. That’s what I’m doing.” The PAF remains the only foreign air force in the world to have received Chuck Yeager’s admiration – a recommendation which the PAF is proud of. (Source: PIADS)


(General (Retd.) Chuck Yeager (USAF) , Book: Yeager, the Autobiography).

Atleast type properly.Had a hard time reading what you wrote with caps at all the wrong places.
 
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MuZammiL Dr. s[1]n;1143154 said:
The Vs. DebaTe shouLd noT Be abouT numbers That P.a.F. has or whaT numbers iaf has or shaLL have buT iT shouLD be abouT which airForCe of The Two has maDe The hisTory in hisTory ... Damm .. man .. The nexT quesTion jusT afTer reaDing my posT wouLd be Like " give us some prooFs of P.a.f. beaTing The ----- ouT of iaf 's --- " anD for ThaT , This LiTTLe pieCe ( jusT given beLow) is one of many acknowLeDgemenTs anD ReCogniTion ThaT The worLd TeLLs The worLD abouT our P.a.F. anD iTs HunTing TaLenT ...aLL inDian members ReaD wiTh aTTenTion , This may wake you up frOm Day Dreams ..
YEAGER


eyes are paining :undecided:
 
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MuZammiL Dr. s[1]n;1142992 said:
assaLaamu aLaikum...To aLL musLim BroThers...ThaT's my firsT Day , Can'T waiT To Do The TaLking.. we|||cOme aLL geeks anD Freaks .. nOw iT's Time To go afTer inDia : LeT me jusT hunT some inDians... i am Loving iT.. ::DD

It is better if you introduce yourself in Members Introduction forum and get yourself familiar with the forum rules.
Please try to abstain from direct attack on any nationality.
 
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It is better if you introduce yourself in Members Introduction forum and get yourself familiar with the forum rules.
Please try to abstain from direct attack on any nationality.

has he posted anything relevant here? :undecided::undecided:
 
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has he posted anything relevant here? :undecided::undecided:

he is a noobie. completely unfamiliar with indo pak chatting etiquette.

probably wont last long.

@MuZammiL Dr. s[1]n

a word of advice buddy. regarding indo-pak defence, whatever u have thought about once , we at defence.pk have Discussed, stated, counterstated and fought over millions of times. catch up before u join the big daddies :lol:
 
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Atleast type properly.Had a hard time reading what you wrote with caps at all the wrong places.

haahah Lame excuses.. as aLways.. man.. forgeT abouT my WriTing sTyLe.. Look aT The arTicLe ThaT i have posTed severaL Times which is sureLy in suiTabLE fonT size and sTyLe... now whaT do you have To abouT ThaT arTicLe.. DonT geT irriTaTeD wiTh The facTs.. i :sniper::pakistan:
 
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he is a noobie. completely unfamiliar with indo pak chatting etiquette.

probably wont last long.

@MuZammiL Dr. s[1]n

a word of advice buddy. regarding indo-pak defence, whatever u have thought about once , we at defence.pk have Discussed, stated, counterstated and fought over millions of times. catch up before u join the big daddies :lol:

:D ... Look kiD... i donT give a dam abouT whaT you Think abouT me... i sTaTeD a simpLe arTicLe abouT p.a.F. ... insTeaD of counTering The argumenT , you are geTTing personaL.. :rofl: i can unDersTanD how one feeLs when he has nothing To say againsT The argumenT or quesTion pLaced infronT of him...:rofl: ... anD TaLk abouT some inDian kkiDDoOo 's wishes of banning me.. :rofl: kiDs every where... canT bLame you.. go cry To your mama :rofl:
 
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Atleast type properly.Had a hard time reading what you wrote with caps at all the wrong places.

YEAGER



“When we arrived in Pakistan in 1971, the political situation between the Pakistanis and Indians was really tense over Bangladesh, or East Pakistan, as it was known in those days, and Russia was backing India with tremendous amounts of new airplanes and tanks. The U.S. and China were backing the Pakistanis. My job was military advisor to the Pakistani air force, headed by Air Marshal Rahim Khan, who had been trained in Britain by the Royal Air Force, and was the first Pakistani pilot to exceed the speed of sound. He took me around to their different fighter groups and I met their pilots, who knew me and were really pleased that I was there.



They had about five hundred airplanes, more than half of them Sabres and 104 Starfighters, a few B-57 bombers, and about a hundred Chinese MiG-19s. They were really good, aggressive dogfighters and proficient in gunnery and air combat tactics. I was damned impressed. Those guys just lived and breathed flying.
The Pakistanis whipped their [Indians'] ***** in the sky, but it was the other way around in the ground war. The air war lasted two weeks and the Pakistanis scored a three-to-one kill ratio, knocking out 102 Russian-made Indian jets and losing thirty-four airplanes of their own. I’m certain about the figures because I went out several times a day in a chopper and counted the wrecks below. I counted wrecks on Pakistani soil, documented them by serial number, identified the components such as engines, rocket pods, and new equipment on newer planes like the Soviet SU-7 fighter-bomber and the MiG-21 J, their latest supersonic fighter. The Pakistani army would cart off these items for me, and when the war ended, it took two big American Air Force cargo lifters to carry all those parts back to the States for analysis by our intelligence division.



I didn’t get involved in the actual combat because that would’ve been too touchy, but I did fly around and pick up shot-down Indian pilots and take them back to prisoner-of-war camps for questioning. I interviewed them about the equipment they had been flying and the tactics their Soviet advisers taught them to use. I wore a uniform or flying suit all the time, and it was amusing when those Indians saw my name tag and asked, “Are you the Yeager who broke the sound barrier?”



They couldn’t believe I was in Pakistan or understand what I was doing there. I told them, “I’m the American Defense Rep here. That’s what I’m doing.” The PAF remains the only foreign air force in the world to have received Chuck Yeager’s admiration – a recommendation which the PAF is proud of. (Source: PIADS)


(General (Retd.) Chuck Yeager (USAF) , Book: Yeager, the Autobiography). :sniper::pakistan::pdf::sniper::pakistan:
 
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MuZammiL Dr. s[1]n;1144316 said:
:D ... Look kiD... i donT give a dam abouT whaT you Think abouT me... i sTaTeD a simpLe arTicLe abouT p.a.F. ... insTeaD of counTering The argumenT , you are geTTing personaL.. :rofl: i can unDersTanD how one feeLs when he has nothing To say againsT The argumenT or quesTion pLaced infronT of him...:rofl: ... anD TaLk abouT some inDian kkiDDoOo 's wishes of banning me.. :rofl: kiDs every where... canT bLame you.. go cry To your mama :rofl:

wow. Snappy guy huh? :lol:

If u think PAF is good and IAF sux, read this thread:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-defence/27931-iaf-pilots-among-best.html

sure PAF has Yeagers best wishes. but IAF has that of
Capt. Marcus Wilson
Snowden
Colonel Fornof
USAF TSGT. KEITH BROWN
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to name a few. good luck
 
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Why have one or two members got a little heated over research on CURRENT PAF combat planes today.

There was no malice, no racism, or trolling in the thread.

If the nos or info is wrong the plz say so

but threats to lets close the thread, this is a pathetic thread is not justified.

" By the way thank you to the poster who corrected my thread by saying PAF has 6 F16/52 and not 18 like i had posted. "

How an earth we got to indian bashing or SU30MKI is beyond me the THREAD is about the current PAF INVENTORY.

If its causing concern lets close it no problem.
 
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Why have one or two members got a little heated over research on CURRENT PAF combat planes today.

There was no malice, no racism, or trolling in the thread.

If the nos or info is wrong the plz say so

but threats to lets close the thread, this is a pathetic thread is not justified.

" By the way thank you to the poster who corrected my thread by saying PAF has 6 F16/52 and not 18 like i had posted. "

How an earth we got to indian bashing or SU30MKI is beyond me the THREAD is about the current PAF INVENTORY.

If its causing concern lets close it no problem.

We have no input from you either stormforce. You said you did some research on PAF then howcome the numbers put by you were wrong. As per the topic can you state your intention, what are we discussing here??? IF Its just the strength level of PAF as compared to IAF its been discussed countless times. Can you shed some light on your research, perhaps this way we can have a meaningful discussion.
 
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Are there plans to procure Block 60s or is Pakistan going to wait for the J-10Bs?

I don't think there are any plans for block 60 plus even if we wanted it i don't think that the US would release it to us.. we will go for 18 + option for 18 more block 52 and also try to get surplus vipers from US . Thunders are in the works for our need and yes PAF is wating for j-10b (fc-20)
 
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ICECOLD which nos are wrong

Thr F16/52 i said was wrong at 18 SHOULD BE 6

But i know the F7 * & Mirage3/5 ARE VERY CLOSE to 175-180 EACH.

or are you saying they are incorrect. !!!!!

We are discussing the CURRENT INVENTORY versis the make believe future inventory that many PDF members like to post.

What has PAF got TODAY to fight a air war with. THIS MINUTE. NEVA mind 2015.

nobody mentioned IAF

100% ON PAF.

If people don,t want to discuss this and feel its causing trouble plz close.

" By the way elite would you state your PAF NOS today" if mine are wrong.

PLEASE
 
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