PAF Chief in Washington

[HRK]

Guys the latest news is the Army Chief will also visit USA after NS visit this month....

 

[I S I]

Keep your friends close......

......& their GFs closer

Dude from where have you done your primary?

RSS school probably.

Guys the latest news is the Army Chief will also visit USA after NS visit this month....

Isn't it too late for Eid milan party by uncle sam?

 

[batmannow]

As it is PAF is fielding atleast 2 different versions of F-16's, two major variants of Mirages (ROSE and non ROSE besides the III n IV). F7, and now the JFT.

I would guess that planners must be thinking that adding another Fighter aircraft type to the inventory now would be a logistics and training nightmare. It would be prudent to atleast retire quickly the Mirage Fleet and then induct a new platform.

Each aircraft comes with customized ancillary equipment to service it right from the GPU's/Battery Starter Units to ladders for climbing into the cockpit and wheel chocks!! We have never operated a pure Russian aircraft and that too with a thrust vectoring engine before!!!

Besides the above, PAF is also operating C 130's, Saab 2000, IL 78MP, KE 03, CN 235 in numbers.

In 1965 we were operating 2 types of fighter aircraft --- one bomber, one transport and one recon type!!! That was one of the reasons why we could disperse aircraft all over the place and at times launch and recover them from different air stations. Besides being able to mount high sortie rates -- at times technicians were so used to the machines that they worked in starlight to fix and fuel up the aircraft!!! Flexibility was with mission planners since almost all the fighter pilots were rated on the same type of a/c!

I'm not saying that we should not the get the best out there. But there is a limit to what can be absorbed effectively without seriously hurting our ability to launch retrieve and service these aircraft's.

It would be advisable to retire atleast one major type before inducting the SU series - (I love the a/c)

Its a insane & weak excuse to , just not get the other potential better airfighters from other countries just because , of training & technical stuff ?
Every thing can be settled own once there is a will to for that ?
When we weren't were the nuclear power , at that time we decided to be the nuclear power even that was impossible at that time , considering our economy , technological stuff & then preserving it with safety ?
That was the challenge we took in the best interests of our nation & today we are able to defend or to stop any external war imposed on us ?
Same goes for JFT programme , considering money & technological stuff , we shouldn't have made it up ?
We would have buyed more , F-16s ?
The dam decoration pice of shyt ?
Its a repeated & tested fact any dam series of dam f-16s can't be used against our enemy ?
It didn't in kargill & it won't in future ?
Its a better way & tide of time is with us , to get air fighters from a different source ?
Su-35 are the best of the best option available for us , along with J-31 if it passes all its flight tests .
for Americans , we can ask or deal other stuff ,like surface to air missiles with TOT?
or even , some mobile advancd SAMS ?
it would be really interesting to see the faces of american establishment ?
No they won't , give cause they fear it would end up in Chinese hands .

You are correct 110% people say anything out of their mouth or *** what ever works for them without any knowledge simply . My Cousin is a Viper driver (SQ leader) In PAF and I must tell you that the flying experience stories he shares at times are like man and sky are one and nothing else in between .

Come on , friend !
What you think , the whole world is going with at 4+++ & 5 +++ generation airfighters & we should fool ourselves on the dummy stupid F-16S who,s capablities on the papers or even in the peace time exercises looks immortal ?
But when the day comes like in kargill , it just don't even move ?
Basicly , we have tested & tried that decoration pice of shyt , the result was horrible ?
May be your mate in airforce enjoys , flying them but he cant defend our ground troops in kargill ?
our personal likes or dislikes should be above national defence & national interests ?

 

[CHI RULES]

People don't seem to realise the true capabilities of the F-16.
It's one of the most reliable, battle tested and combat proven aircraft out there.
Presently our F-16D versions are the most capable platforms in the region.....the PAF is in love with F-16 because it has 30+ years experience on it and knows it's capabilities, if in doubt, just check the psychological effect even a dozen ex-Jordanian machines had on our neighbours.

Sir as a pro how u rate our F16 block 52 ( only 18 in number) against Indian JETS with PESA radars and expected to enter soon AESA radars/IRST pods fitted Jets along with better ranged Russian A TO A missiles.

Its a insane & weak excuse to , just not get the other potential better airfighters from other countries just because , of training & technical stuff ?
Every thing can be settled own once there is a will to for that ?
When we weren't were the nuclear power , at that time we decided to be the nuclear power even that was impossible at that time , considering our economy , technological stuff & then preserving it with safety ?
That was the challenge we took in the best interests of our nation & today we are able to defend or to stop any external war imposed on us ?
Same goes for JFT programme , considering money & technological stuff , we shouldn't have made it up ?
We would have buyed more , F-16s ?
The dam decoration pice of shyt ?
Its a repeated & tested fact any dam series of dam f-16s can't be used against our enemy ?
It didn't in kargill & it won't in future ?
Its a better way & tide of time is with us , to get air fighters from a different source ?
Su-35 are the best of the best option available for us , along with J-31 if it passes all its flight tests .
for Americans , we can ask or deal other stuff ,like surface to air missiles with TOT?
or even , some mobile advancd SAMS ?
it would be really interesting to see the faces of american establishment ?
No they won't , give cause they fear it would end up in Chinese hands .


Come on , friend !
What you think , the whole world is going with at 4+++ & 5 +++ generation airfighters & we should fool ourselves on the dummy stupid F-16S who,s capablities on the papers or even in the peace time exercises looks immortal ?
But when the day comes like in kargill , it just don't even move ?
Basicly , we have tested & tried that decoration pice of shyt , the result was horrible ?
May be your mate in airforce enjoys , flying them but he cant defend our ground troops in kargill ?
our personal likes or dislikes should be above national defence & national interests ?

In Kargil the Mushi strategists prohibited PAF to play any active role, further for war sorties PAF had requirements for huge stockpile of spares which were embargoed by US but still PAF managed to keep it;s F16s air worthy and defensive sorties were made by the F16s. Our forces faced damages within enemy territory which were inevitable considering circumstances. Further we didn't had AMRAAMs at that time. PAF should go for atleast AESA upgrade and IRST pods for block 52 -F16s.

 

[Mani2020]

If I

You are correct 110% people say anything out of their mouth or *** what ever works for them without any knowledge simply . My Cousin is a Viper driver (SQ leader) In PAF and I must tell you that the flying experience stories he shares at times are like man and sky are one and nothing else in between .

If I have driven Honda city throughout my life I won't know or understand the experience a Porsche gives ...so I always share my experience of Honda city stating how wonderful car that is until I find my way into porche and experience the difference myself to compare ...same is the case here a pilot who has flown f16 in his life would never understand what he has been missing until he flies a Rafael sukhoi or for that matter any other 4.5 or 4.5++ generation aircraft....I have heard people owning Suzuki fx saying its the best car out there ...but don't always believe what people say
..because most of the times what people say is just based upon their personal experiences that may not be adequate most of the times to support any assumptions or facts

 

[Dazzler]

The f-16 could well be the last high tech american fighter we would go for in the foreseeable future. Not many know that Russians have offered su-35 without us asking for it. As windi said, people undermine the capabilities of the falcon which in the hands of a skillful pilot is a deadly adversary without a doubt. It is still more agile than many out there and the EW suit, weapon arsenal topped with the V9 radar, it is more than handful for any opponent in the world.

For fanboys, sorry, no f-35 or 22 or hornet or eagles were discussed

 

[monitor]

The f-16 could well be the last high tech american fighter we would go for in the foreseeable future. Not many know that Russians have offered su-35 without us asking for it. As windi said, people undermine the capabilities of the falcon which in the hands of a skillful pilot is a deadly adversary without a doubt. It is still more agile than many out there and the EW suit, weapon arsenal topped with the V9 radar, it is more than handful for any opponent in the world.

For fanboys, sorry, no f-35 or 22 or hornet or eagles were discussed

after 2020 F-35 can be ask from US to gradually replace F-16 from 202x.

 

[xperia]

There is difference of day and night between the F-16s of the early eightees and the later blocks

 

[Dazzler]

after 2020 F-35 can be ask from US to gradually replace F-16 from 202x.

Unlikely, j-31 may well fit that spot.

 

[Mani2020]

The f-16 could well be the last high tech american fighter we would go for in the foreseeable future. Not many know that Russians have offered su-35 without us asking for it. As windi said, people undermine the capabilities of the falcon which in the hands of a skillful pilot is a deadly adversary without a doubt. It is still more agile than many out there and the EW suit, weapon arsenal topped with the V9 radar, it is more than handful for any opponent in the world.

For fanboys, sorry, no f-35 or 22 or hornet or eagles were discussed

Getting something offered and actually buying it both are different stories ...we can't just get excited over something that has been offered to us without knowing whether we would be buying it or not ...whether we have any interest in buying su35 ...whether we will look beyond f16 for a 4.5 generation aircraft ...whether we have enough money ...and considering answers of all these in positives the major question would be will the sales ever materialize .... We have witnessed mirage2k saga , German subs , French subs, gripen, EFT to name a few.....what's the guarantee that we won't give India the room to play her cards ...we have already seen IAF cheif's statement saying if not Rafael in high numbers we need something else of similar capability that could mean a mig35 or su35 ...if India plays their cards right once again we would witness a similar fate...

 

[Baidar Bakht]

after 2020 F-35 can be ask from US to gradually replace F-16 from 202x.

if we do something like this it will be a mistake considering ups and downs in PAK-US relations that occur like every now & then, so no more BS I mean embargo etc. But then again, if we have a good econcomy we can get everything we need and no embargoing sort of stuff either.

 

[Aamir Hussain]

Its a insane & weak excuse to , just not get the other potential better airfighters from other countries just because , of training & technical stuff ?
Every thing can be settled own once there is a will to for that ?
When we weren't were the nuclear power , at that time we decided to be the nuclear power even that was impossible at that time , considering our economy , technological stuff & then preserving it with safety ?
That was the challenge we took in the best interests of our nation & today we are able to defend or to stop any external war imposed on us ?
Same goes for JFT programme , considering money & technological stuff , we shouldn't have made it up ?
We would have buyed more , F-16s ?
The dam decoration pice of shyt ?
Its a repeated & tested fact any dam series of dam f-16s can't be used against our enemy ?
It didn't in kargill & it won't in future ?
Its a better way & tide of time is with us , to get air fighters from a different source ?
Su-35 are the best of the best option available for us , along with J-31 if it passes all its flight tests .
for Americans , we can ask or deal other stuff ,like surface to air missiles with TOT?
or even , some mobile advancd SAMS ?
it would be really interesting to see the faces of american establishment ?
No they won't , give cause they fear it would end up in Chinese hands .

My friend who said we should not buy SU platform??? My humbles submission was to first let go of atleast one platform and then add the SU platform to ensure absorption time and capacity. Your half cocked reply seems to reflect that the decision is about to be done as we speak!!! And is it available to us --- or Russia is playing us against India!!!!!!!

And sir, if you are hoping against hope to get ToT for SU 35 than sadly u would be living in a fools paradise -- and that promise my friend you can take it to the bank!!!!

And once and for all -- SU is a heavy fighter by any standards and can not be compared and or its abilities with that of JFT or the F-16.

SU is a real threat to Pakistan not from the east but from the south west!!! Yes all planning of PAF and the armed forces have factored in the long range of the platform and its ability to circumvent our traditional radar coverage and strike at strategic targets without being detected!!! This is the real threat of this aircraft and not the BVR capability, relatively speaking as compared to its range and payload since the distances from the airbases to the front line is minimal.

That is the reason we started concentrating on the AWACs platforms the day SU was earmarked for purchase by India.

 

[Thorough Pro]

No! I was referring to your urgent need to run ......... a sudden attack of diarrhea perhaps

are you implying something about PAF? very naughty!

 

[MilSpec]

No! I was referring to your urgent need to run ......... a sudden attack of diarrhea perhaps

this is from one of PDF veterans
PAF Should Go For The F 35---A Coupe De Grace

 

[SQ8]

this is from one of PDF veterans
PAF Should Go For The F 35---A Coupe De Grace

The word Veteran is a very fluid term.