PAF Chief discuss future targets of Air Force with PM Nawaz Sharif

[Zarvan]

Agreed but if funded properly j3 is getting IOC in 5 years max so we can opt for jf17 route i.e. start inducting the airframes while keep on working on subsystems ... on the contrary TFX getting IOC in 10 years is not even confirmed



Sir what is the purpose of PAF so by your logic IAF will send an invitation to PAF that we are coming defend if you could and only then PAF could response ?

That was a lame excuse ... operation was secret before start like any other operation but when it started PAF should have supported them ... but PAF could not a dime as they were in affair with F16 which were on sanctions and even after sanctions lifted they did not learn and went for even.more f16 ... thats rediculous planning ...

Kargil was not our territory it was under India PAF was not supposed to defend that and specially when they are not even told who is sitting on Kargil

 

[war&peace]

Agreed but if funded properly j3 is getting IOC in 5 years max so we can opt for jf17 route i.e. start inducting the airframes while keep on working on subsystems ... on the contrary TFX getting IOC in 10 years is not even confirmed



Sir what is the purpose of PAF so by your logic IAF will send an invitation to PAF that we are coming defend if you could and only then PAF could response ?

That was a lame excuse ... operation was secret before start like any other operation but when it started PAF should have supported them ... but PAF could not a dime as they were in affair with F16 which were on sanctions and even after sanctions lifted they did not learn and went for even.more f16 ... thats rediculous planning ...

I would ask @MastanKhan since he has a clear and well defined opinion which is based on the facts. PAF was not ready. Armed forces are not the once that decide whether right or wong to fight the war.. they just have to fight along side other forces to defend the country.

Being highly skilled and professional does not matter if you can't take on the enemy when needed.

 

[Arsalan]

@Arsalan you are wasting your time with Zarvan i complained about his rants to mods before, there is a member Nishaan 101 or i think it was black hawk something like that, he also talk in same way he does , every time any Pakistan Army , Air Force or Navy person visit any country he start bragging this is coming that is coming .. and for air force he is doing this for years and yet nothing happened... he is making fool out of young posters, he play this trick that he say every thing is coming and when something actually come he say look isn't that i say ?

even Winter has come in Game of Thrones and i am still waiting for Su-35 , Typhoon , J-10's , Gripen , and what not but wish list of Zarvan choro ..

I have around 70-80 posts by Zarvan associating Pakistan with different weapon systems.

I am right and many MODS even know it. PAF is looking for Fighter Jets and things take time have you seen How long India took to decide about Rafale. Dude we are looking for a Fighter Jet and by the way all talking about J-31 rumor is PAF is not very encouraging about J-31 I mean as future 5th Generation. But PAF right now is focused on getting a answer for Rafale. You want to compare me with Nishan go ahead but many MODS who are keeping silent here know I am dam right on this issue.

Look at fighter jets (that no one disagree with and trust me, it was NOT YOU who made us know this)is DIFFERENT from:
100% sure Su35 is coming
I am sure and confident, you will see, PAF is buying J10
Pakistan will surely buy more used F16s
The visit to Italy and UK were ONLY because we are buying EFT, this is a fact, 100% certain
etc etc!!!

You have associated us with every freaking fighter out there and made us look foolish with statements like 100% certain and what not!

 

[Zarvan]

I have around 70-80 posts by Zarvan associating Pakistan with different weapon systems.


Look at fighter jets (that no one disagree with and trust me, it was NOT YOU who made us know this)is DIFFERENT from:
100% sure Su35 is coming
I am sure and confident, you will see, PAF is buying J10
Pakistan will surely buy more used F16s
The visit to Italy and UK were ONLY because we are buying EFT, this is a fact, 100% certain
etc etc!!!

You have associated us with every freaking fighter out there and made us look foolish with statements like 100% certain and what not!

PAF is looking for a Fighter Jet and that is all and those are other than Chinese and F-16 and not 5th Generation that it seem we would develop one our selves and one would come from other source

 

[Arsalan]

PAF is looking for a Fighter Jet and that is all and those are other than Chinese and F-16 and not 5th Generation that it seem we would develop one our selves and one would come from other source

That should have been all Zarvan but you didn't stopped at this despite requests by various members.
You went on to state some 5 different planes as coming into PAF "with 100% certainty". REMEMBER THOSE WORDS? The same were said by you for EFT, J10, Su35, F16s!!

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Kargil was not our territory it was under India PAF was not supposed to defend that and specially when they are not even told who is sitting on Kargil

Till the 80s.. visas to kargil & siachin were issued by Pakistan.

It was occupied cowardly by Indians.

 

[The Accountant]

Kargil was not our territory it was under India PAF was not supposed to defend that and specially when they are not even told who is sitting on Kargil

That was incorrect that PAF did not knew ... PAF was informed a day earliler of the operation and was informed that PA soldiers will be fighting along with Mujahideen ...

Furthermore, both of the intruding IAF aircrafts were shot by Stingers so where the hell was PAF ? Intruding positions were maximum at 10KMs of the range they could have defended the kargil guys while remaining in e territory ...

Regarding Musharaf stupidity .. Ask Indians ,,, we still occupy post which can oversee Indian Highway from Tiger Hill which is a great strategic achievement in case of any future war ...

Musharaf himself spent a night inside Kargil while PAF did not even engage he intruding aircraft shot by stingers ...

 

[Zarvan]

That was incorrect that PAF did not knew ... PAF was informed a day earliler of the operation and was informed that PA soldiers will be fighting along with Mujahideen ...

Furthermore, both of the intruding IAF aircrafts were shot by Stingers so where the hell was PAF ? Intruding positions were maximum at 10KMs of the range they could have defended the kargil guys while remaining in e territory ...

Regarding Musharaf stupidity .. Ask Indians ,,, we still occupy post which can oversee Indian Highway from Tiger Hill which is a great strategic achievement in case of any future war ...

Musharaf himself spent a night inside Kargil while PAF did not even engage he intruding aircraft shot by stingers ...

Only few Generals knew even entire Army Leadership didn't knew what was going on in Kargil

 

[The Accountant]

Only few Generals knew even entire Army Leadership didn't knew what was going on in Kargil

Yes, but before the day Musharaf and the other three generals called PAF chief and discussed brief plan with him ... You can check it as this is part of history ...

Ok for argument lets assume PAF was not informed or taken in the loop ... So you are telling me that before any offensive for IAF they will send a notice to PAF that be ready we are coming ?

Kargil was a 2 month conflict and not just a day of skirmish so this is baseless PAF not informed ... PAF was informed at the time it was necessary to be informed and if PAF assets are not capable to get into fighting mode on hours notice then they deserved to be need because of poor condemned for poor planning ...

Furthermore, this is about leadership of PAF and not the Pilots and Crew ... They always shown dedication and skill but at the top most of the time its same old lot ...

 

[Arsalan]

Yes, but before the day Musharaf and the other three generals called PAF chief and discussed brief plan with him ... You can check it as this is part of history ...

Ok for argument lets assume PAF was not informed or taken in the loop ... So you are telling me that before any offensive for IAF they will send a notice to PAF that be ready we are coming ?

Kargil was a 2 month conflict and not just a day of skirmish so this is baseless PAF not informed ... PAF was informed at the time it was necessary to be informed and if PAF assets are not capable to get into fighting mode on hours notice then they deserved to be need because of poor condemned for poor planning ...

Furthermore, this is about leadership of PAF and not the Pilots and Crew ... They always shown dedication and skill but at the top most of the time its same old lot ...

Unless someone says it on Facebook WE wont believe it.

Or

The best i can offer you is that you say the same thing but in the start add that "I am son of Sohail Aman" and then we will believe you.

 

[YeBeWarned]

I have around 70-80 posts by Zarvan associating Pakistan with different weapon systems.

it will go up to 700-800 Posts .. i think my grand children will be reading these posts and he will still be saying EFT's are coming

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

EFT was the best performing fighter in trials!!!

 

[Centurion2016]

EFT was the best performing fighter in trials!!!

Both the Dutch & the Indians have recently carried highly detailed and very professional evaluations of the worlds leading late 4th generation fighters . These evaluations where very very thorough

The Typhoon Rafale Gripen and Latest version of the F16 IE BLOCK 60

all are excellent machines and would add quantum capability to PAF . However in both evaluations Rafale came out on Top .

These trials and the continued evolving of the rafale fighter from F1 to F3 and soon F4 has to led to orders from
Eygpt
India
soon UAE and Qatar

Holland did go with F35 in the end ultimately.

IMO
Both the Typhoon & Rafale would game change Pakistan over night BUT to buy 36 planes you need $9 billion investment .........AND THAT will not happen for PAF .

 

[messiach]

True. It was lost in 84.

Till the 80s.. visas to kargil & siachin were issued by Pakistan.It was occupied cowardly by Indians.

 

[Nodata]

These two lines somes up


Goals and strategies ,PAF is in dire state infact desperate state to buy something my guess F16 Block 52 at full payment rest is too expensive . PM already knows that there is burden of payments and as economy moves i strongly believe that PAF will not get these funds in this year since we need to arrange 8 Billion $ to IMF . (Kindly dont derail by mentioning corruption bla bla) .This is going to be the last year i think in his tenure so he wants to make some thing good for PAF I agree with his efforts .



This statement is not simple and more of a moral booster in my view e.g
In last emergency stand off with India some time in Aug/Sep lasted to Dec 2016 we lost quite a few planes

1 JF17
2 Mirage
1 F7

So operational readiness looks bleak at the moment ,only ways forward is self reliance and make JF17 / J31 no other option

We dint shoot down any planes.

If you lost them due to excessive flying it's your fault.

True. It was lost in 84.

As Siachen was occupied by neither even India could issue visa.

If you cannot withstand us withdraw back west of Muzzafarbad