PAF can counter India’s new war doctrine, says air chief

[shree835]

So Sad...Don know what went wrong after MMRCA result.

 

[Hello_10]

JACOBABAD: Chief of Air Staff Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman has said that the Pakistan Air Force can effectively counter India’s new war doctrine.

Talking to the media here at the Shahbaz Air Base, the air chief said PAF has modified its plan within the existing infrastructure in view of the new war doctrine of India. The Indian Air Force, he said, has been given a very crucial and critical role in India’s ‘Cold Start’ doctrine.

Suleman told the media that the Shahbaz Air Base was totally in the control of the Pakistan Air Force and existing hardware procured and being acquired by the PAF was sufficient to fulfill its requirements. “We are in the process of consolidating the hardware procured so far,” the air chief said.

To a question about the capability of US F-16 Block 52 aircraft, he rejected the impression that the aircraft could not target or intercept US aircraft if they violated the country’s airspace. “There is nothing which can prevent us from targeting or intercepting US fighter planes,” he said. Suleman maintained that PAF could intercept or target US planes, if required, but at the same time he said they did not wish for such a situation to arise.

PAF can counter India

Isn't it the same PAF whose one pilot with F16 defeated Eurofighter in dog fight, the so called best air superiority aircraft of the world? But the problem with Pakistan is, they have more traitors than India who have committed their loyalty to foreigners, not for their own country. Pakistani military is full of lions but as they are led by dogs, the result is their current state . Recent news that they may lease Pak’s Kashmir to China is just a start. It will be then be followed by Baluchistan, north west state and finally, Mohazirs will also demand something separate as they may then get Karachi and keep themselves at a distance with overly populated but dominant Pakistani Punjab. The story of Pakistan started in 1947 and would finally be ended up by next 10 to 15 years, no more than that, as it looks like.

But Im mainly worried for India whose many top politicians now work as CIA agents, including people like Digvijay Sing/ Rahul Gandhi who first organize riots and then India has few traitors in BJP who want to fight for hindus against muslims, they just wait for a right time. Western economies have no confidence and neither they have any environment for education in their countries that they may develop new techs and remain forward. So the Western society where first criterion of success isn’t study, they only have one way to get progress that is through crimes, inside their own countries and also doing/ organizing the same in other countries and I find Pakistan is on their target right now and hopefully India after that.
Western policy makers might have understood that there is a difference between country like Iran, Syria, China, Russia with India/ Pakistan. they don’t have to organize any war against country like India or Pakistan, but they just have to buy their traitors and get work done in these two countries

 

[Secur]

Ahem, how about all of the above? Oh and yes, numbers and according to the "CSD" the advantage of picking and choosing the airspaces of our liking, not to mention capability to open another front anywhere the "CSD" wishes. How do you counter that?

What makes you think that we cant open a front of our liking anywhere ? ... How is your "choosen" airspace theory valid even ? PAF has surveillance over entire border ... What difference does it make if you come from either Sindh or somewhere in Northern Areas ?

 

[rockstarIN]

Do not assume things you have no idea about mate. Just discuss things that are relevant to the thread. There is a lot going on at the moment in terms of new inductions and the whole strategy is being revamped. Just a hint.

Neither you nor me is the chief of our own air forces. It would be a real pleasure instead of hinting, you say something about what I post. I did post what relevant to the thread too.

 

[Shapur]

India and Pakistan should sign a non agression treaty.

Pakistan doesn't interfere in Kashmir

India doesn't interfere in Balochistan

 

[AbhimanyuShrivastav]

very well put
and what else do you expect from an Air force chief? he will definitely instill confidence and talk about strength, high moral and training etc.

Agree 100%.. But when Indian Army chief makes a statement similar to this, that is quickly misquoted out of context to label the guy as a delusional warmonger ..

 

[danger007]

No gandi baat "Indian Chief said... India is capable for TWO FRONT WAR" ... i will still send this message to my friends when we are in jokin`-mood!

Pakistan is poor, Pakistan Army is poor, Pakistan Airforce is pooor.. Pakistan's verything is pooor... India is Super power.. thats it "jab tak ye nahe kahoogay tab tak nahe jeet sakhtay ham posts may"

Same here we to make fun of some( may be lots) of your statements. so is it necessary to mention it here???

 

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But Im mainly worried for India whose many top politicians now work as CIA agents, including people like Digvijay Sing/ Rahul Gandhi who first organize riots and then India has few traitors in BJP who want to fight for hindus against muslims, they just wait for a right time. Western economies have no confidence and neither they have any environment for education in their countries that they may develop new techs and remain forward. So the Western society where first criterion of success isn’t study, they only have one way to get progress that is through crimes, inside their own countries and also doing/ organizing the same in other countries and I find Pakistan is on their target right now and hopefully India after that.
Western policy makers might have understood that there is a difference between country like Iran, Syria, China, Russia with India/ Pakistan. they don’t have to organize any war against country like India or Pakistan, but they just have to buy their traitors and get work done in these two countries

Dont worry about India. The traitors will be taken care of in due course. The glass is 70% full.

 

[MastanKhan]

Every general would and must say that ... Even Indian general said India can counter both China and Pakistan simultaneously.
It is for the Morale boosting.. because it is the Morale which make difference between victory and defeat.

Hi,

It is not that---and seemingly---suddenly everybody has gone blind----what The ACM is talking about the application of the AIM 120 in the blk52's and the upcoming upgrades----the AIM 120 is the game changer as of now----the playing field is not in favour of IAF anymore.

 

[Nitin Goyal]

Hi,

It is not that---and seemingly---suddenly everybody has gone blind----what The ACM is talking about the application of the AIM 120 in the blk52's and the upcoming upgrades----the AIM 120 is the game changer as of now----the playing field is not in favour of IAF anymore.

Behind the Pakistan F-16 deal, a tale of many wheels

The Hindu : News : Behind the Pakistan F-16 deal, a tale of many wheels

The despatches, from the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad, indicated that the deal was, among other things, meant to assuage Pakistan's fears of an “existential threat it perceived from India.” The diplomatic cables, accessed by The Hindu through WikiLeaks, suggested that the purpose of the sale was to divert Pakistan's attention from “the nuclear option,” and give it “time and space to employ a conventional reaction” in the event of a conflict with India (151227: confidential). Privately, however, the U.S. acknowledged the “reality” that the F-16 programme would not change India's “overwhelming air superiority over Pakistan.” In fact, the cables bluntly assert that the F-16s would be “no match for India's proposed purchase of F-18 or equivalent aircraft.”

 

[air marshal]

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Since you live in oblivion, allow me to enlighten you, there was another incident, when the IAF decided to play safe. !!!

let it pass shall we? otherwise we will be stuck in the "tailspin" untill this thread is clsoed

 

[MilSpec]

....If we are done chest thumping with sukhoi's and f16's 65's air victory and 71's result, then please lets get back to what Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman actually said.
The air chief said that PAF is in the position to counter India's new combat doctrine, which has not really been acknowledged by the Indian Establishment, nevertheless lets assume, is truly the new Indian doctrine.

As oscar pointed out, what exactly countering really IAF means. India is busy modernizing its air fleet with big ticket items. traditionally pakistan has always enjoyed technological superiority over India, but since the mid nineties, it seems Indian Air force has won the race to technological superiority along with the numerical.

IAF inventory has the advantage to outnumber and out gun PAF, but in case of a limited war, IAF will have higher attrition rates than pakistan. PAF will play bulk of defensive sorties and will have home ground advantage , whereas IAF with its assumed CSD will play a major offensive role trying to break through pakistani defenses and trying Air interdiction SEAD and CAS roles for the ground offensive.

This is where PAF's j17's Mirage rose and f16's come in to play, they have a good chance to prey upon aggressor strike package evading the platforms that are flying air superiority configurations (MKI's m29 m2k's) and prey upon the jags and 27's primarily flying bomb truck missions. By blunting such attacks and making fast escapes I am sure PAF can successfully counter IAF's plans.

Another major obstacle I see in PAF blunting the Naval air arm with possibly two a/c carriers and ground based maritime a/c Jag's and naval mig 29k's. i am not sure how capable are the vintage mirages. last I heard of was jf17's being used for maritime roles, A new and agile platform like jft, large induction for maritime security might reduce the naval threat that Pak faces from IN.


On paper IAF's inventory and future acquisitions looks huge, with mmrca, another 100 super mki's and Lca mk2 in next 5-8 yrs. But the reality is aircrafts are not going fight one on one battles. Strike packages and hunter killer formations of IAF can be countered very effectively by small number of PAF's f16's/jfts . Large Indian airspace can also be penetrated by PAF formations to devastating results. The other side of reality is the huge Indian air power has the teeth to overwhelm pakistani defenses, if a few strike packages do get through, PAF might see the balance turn very quickly to IAF.

IAF fanboys love to compare numerical superiority of IAF over PAF, but PAF will never engage in a aerial attrition warfare.PAF fanboys love to harp on technological and training superiority they had 40 years ago. Today both armies know exactly know what missions are cut out for them.. Whoever manages their missions better will come out on top on any level of conflict intensity

 

[Yaduveer]

let it pass shall we? otherwise we will be stuck in the "tailspin" untill this thread is clsoed

Baloch saab muafi ka talabgar hai ye nacheez ,Agar hum kahen aap bhi Trolling main shamil hain.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

....If we are done chest thumping with sukhoi's and f16's 65's air victory and 71's result, then please lets get back to what Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman actually said.
The air chief said that PAF is in the position to counter India's new combat doctrine, which has not really been acknowledged by the Indian Establishment, nevertheless lets assume, is truly the new Indian doctrine.

As oscar pointed out, what exactly countering really IAF means. India is busy modernizing its air fleet with big ticket items. traditionally pakistan has always enjoyed technological superiority over India, but since the mid nineties, it seems Indian Air force has won the race to technological superiority along with the numerical.

IAF inventory has the advantage to outnumber and out gun PAF, but in case of a limited war, IAF will have higher attrition rates than pakistan. PAF will play bulk of defensive sorties and will have home ground advantage , whereas IAF with its assumed CSD will play a major offensive role trying to break through pakistani defenses and trying Air interdiction SEAD and CAS roles for the ground offensive.

This is where PAF's j17's Mirage rose and f16's come in to play, they have a good chance to prey upon aggressor strike package evading the platforms that are flying air superiority configurations (MKI's m29 m2k's) and prey upon the jags and 27's primarily flying bomb truck missions. By blunting such attacks and making fast escapes I am sure PAF can successfully counter IAF's plans.

Another major obstacle I see in PAF blunting the Naval air arm with possibly two a/c carriers and ground based maritime a/c Jag's and naval mig 29k's. i am not sure how capable are the vintage mirages. last I heard of was jf17's being used for maritime roles, A new and agile platform like jft, large induction for maritime security might reduce the naval threat that Pak faces from IN.


On paper IAF's inventory and future acquisitions looks huge, with mmrca, another 100 super mki's and Lca mk2 in next 5-8 yrs. But the reality is aircrafts are not going fight one on one battles. Strike packages and hunter killer formations of IAF can be countered very effectively by small number of PAF's f16's/jfts . Large Indian airspace can also be penetrated by PAF formations to devastating results. The other side of reality is if huge Indian Air power has the teeth to overwhelm pakistani defenses, if a few strike packages do get through, PAF might see the balance turn very quickly to IAF.

IAF fanboys love to compare numerical superiority of IAF over PAF, but PAF will never engage in a aerial attrition warfare.PAF fanboys love to harp on technological and training superiority they had 40 years ago. Today both armies know exactly know what missions are cut out for them.. Whoever manages their missions better will come out on top on any level of conflict intensity

nicely summed up Sandy

the strategies and counter strategies are always on assumed strategies and doctrines of the opposing side. What PAF chief is basing his statement is on guestimate if you will. Whats the reality is anyone guess.