So gessler on what basis is the 52C inferior to P15A?
Anti air ? the 52C has missiles that outrange P15A's by 3 fold with BMD capabilities
So? P15A carries 64 SAMs while 052C carries 48. Having a longer ranged SAM is not technically advantageous as I have explain above in my previous posts. It's better off to have a larger number of shorter-ranged SAMs with more G-stress tolerence, more maneuverability and more kill probability, like Barak-VIII.
It seems HHQ-9 can intercept ballistic missiles in terminal stage but I don't see how that helps (I mean, who would be raining ballistic missiles on a 150-metre long warship, that too a moving target??). But the Barak-VIII can also do that,,,in addition, the Barak has the capability to interceot Supersonic cruise/terminal stage cruise missiles more effieciently that any other SAM system devised so far.
YJ-62s, C-802/803s, and other ASCMs of PLAN are gonna have a tough time getting past this system.
Senior security officials have recently told "Globes" that gas discoveries in the Mediterranean Sea have intensified the need to expand IDF activity in the maritime sector. They believe that it is a real possibility that these threats will turn into attempted attacks. A few months ago, Minister for Home Front Defense Matan Vilnai warned that that there is a threat to the gas fields from Syria's missiles. Vilnai did not elaborate about what type of missiles, but the "immediate suspect" is the Russian Yakhont Cruise Missile. The Israeli security establishment is concerned about the Syrians owning these missiles and the vulnerability of Israel naval vessels. However, when a missile can hit accurately at 300 km, it is more capable of hitting a fixed target, like a gas rig. One of the security establishment's assumptions is that whatever Syria has will eventually reach Hizbullah, so it is possible that harm will come from Hizbullah. It is some consolation to know though, that the IAI's Barak 8, is capable of intercepting the Yakhont.
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Antiship? the 52C has them from 400 to 2000 km range compared to the P15A's 300 km ones
Only the YJ-62 surpasses the range of BrahMos among ASCMs here. The 1800km missile is not anti-ship, that's a land-attack cruise missile HN-2. P15A will be fitted with Nirbhay LACM with a full payload/range of 1000km, and a lessened payload/fuel alterated range of upto 2,100km. (Not counting any advanced version).
But again, speed, accuracy, which go directly relevent to the reaction time you comfort the enemy with, are more important than mere range. And besides, let me reveal to you that the range of BrahMos Block-I ASCM was limited not due to MTCR but due to the OTHT capabilities available with IN, which did not permit the effective use of a long-range cruise missile,,,otherwise PJ-10 is well capable of upto 700km with assisted fuels and refined RAMJETs, or 550km as it is right now. As soon as IN procures the required capabilities, the range of PJ-10 will be considerably increased.
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CIWS? the type 52C use autonomous type 730s compared to the directed AK630s on the P15A
True. But however P15A has 4 x 30mm cannons while 052C has only 2.
only advantage i see is the 32 Barak 1 12 km defense missiles in VLU.
That ain't the only advantage. P15A can carry 2 x choppers while 052C can carry only 1. P15A also has advantage in the radar and electronic warfare system (MF-STAR AESA, STAR, HUMSA, LW-08, Deseaver Mk.III) and also P15A is fundamentally a more stealthy design than 052C - lessened protrusions, low-profile masts, angled-surface radar casings, etc.
Otherwise the 52C is superior. This is backed by taking a comprehensive look at systems on board the two ships.
Oh yeah? Well just read my post again.
If you want to prove otherwise better do some actual research like I did.
You have researched nuts. You just chose to read selectively that's all.
Not to mention the fact that there are 6 type 52C completed with the first active since 2003 while the first P 15A is yet to be completed.
Irrelevent. We are talking about the capability of each ship and not when what is completed and commissioned. However, I agree that the pace of Indian shipbuilding needs to improve.
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