Oxford Imam:Young muslims taught that white girls are cheap

[Desi Guy]

If the Bit$$$$ Wants to get Fcuked why you are blaming me you must be doing the same sh$$ other wise she will replace us with sex toys and Dog.

The leader was a paedophile so are his followers ..786

 

[flamer84]

Crime statistics in case of minorities suffer from "statistical bias". Smaller samples means anything beyond some limited numbers starts looking like HUGE.

Please avoid spreading such biased numbers.

While you have every right to focus on the awful crime being discussed in this thread, why on earth you will simply ignore the almost 75% of the crime.

Why can't you just say that white majority is committing majority of molestation and sexual exploitation?

Why are you purposefully ignoring 75 out of 100 exploited women, in your noble quest to save just 25 or 26?

But you won't

Because you have a point to prove that Muslims are low life chimps, their mullahs are pigs (and in some cases that is true), and thus the whole Muslim group in UK, or even EU is all f'd up b@stardized collection of homosapians.

Say it brother.

Say it?

It may help you deal with your chronicically constipated conspiratorial mind. Say it!

In this way you can also tell your wife, your mother, and your sister and your daughter to avoid touching a Muslim not even with a 10 feet pole, because they are all dirty, lowlife scums.

This perhaps is the real reason of why so many Hindus just jumped on this thread with their dhoties fluttering high behind them.

Perhaps this is the real reason.




Oh Common!

What the f this statement for?

FYI.

I'll be the first one to say that such Mullahs are losers and Talib-b@stards.

but you are committing huge intellectually dishonest leap into the gutter, by linking what these turd Mullahs say to the awful sexual crimes of the few men involved.


No one can ever support such Mullahs.


But you my dear PhD degree holder, ever tried to figure out why these Mullahs are saying such awful stuff?

Do you?

Did you ever go and interview a single Mullah and ask him, hey dude? Why the f^ck you are making this type of statements.


FYI. I have asked this. I have pleaded face to face these village idiots to not say things such as these.


They say, we DO NOT want our young men to get involved with white trash (You think a Muslim invented the term white trash, do you?).

That's all.

These village idiot Mullahs do not know how to emphasize chaste behavior to the young boys in their community, so they use politically incorrect statements about white trash.

Obviously their message never got through to these guys and they did end up f^cking white trash and then getting caught up in the sex scandal.

But you will never try to understand why the f ing Mullah said and what these criminals ended up doing, and if an honest intellectual should ever link the two?


No Siree. you all are committing mental masturbation by imagining X-rated movie showing a lowlife scum-bag Asian having intercourse with white trash. Yes. Admit it you all net-warriors because most of you are not getting any. And this type of posting are the only way for you all to have "fun" and the expense of scum-bags and exploited white women. This is the only way.

And to get this mental masturbation you are more than willing to commit nth degree of intellectual dishonesty.


But may be you even do not know that you are committing intellectual dishonesty. Because some small brain is having too much "fun".

Perhaps you are just a fine and gentle young man.

Who knows.

in this day of anonymous web postings. who knows.


peace

I'm sorry if the numbers don't say anything to you but the fact is that altough muslims represent 5% of the population of GB they amount to 25% in rape statistics,it tells us that are 5 times more chances that a muslim will commit rape then a white men.This problem should be adressed not swept under a rug,if they were 5 % in the statistics than your point would be valid.

And yeah ,that's exactly what i tell my girlfriend:"stay away from the muslim rapists,it's ok to hang out with the white ones though,they are the cool rapists" lol

You say no one can support crazy mullahs yet they still have scores of followers,you say they get their message wrong,i say f2ck their message,if they hate "white trash" they shouldn't come to "white trash" countries,stay in whateverstan and leaves us alone!We have a different culture here and from the moment you step in here you have to embrace it all,the freedoms,the mini skirts,the alcohol,everything! The hypocrisy in all of this is that after this things happen you're not even allowed to call a spade a spade but fortunately people are starting to wake up.
You think that people like me are talking about these problems because we're racists do you consider we're doing this because this kind of things feeds the real racists? Why do you think that right wing is on the rise in Europe? You think i Want that? I know what right wing is,after they're done with the minorities they'll f#ck up my freedoms to but unfortunately they're beeing fed live ammo by idiots.That's why i've said that i fear the backlash that will come but instead of adressing the real problems intelligent people like you just play the racist card.

 

[Developereo]

Sorry to hear about that.



http://www.ceop.police.uk/Documents/ceopdocs/ceop_thematic_assessment_executive_summary.pdf

More reading comprehension problems for you.

That 28% includes unknown Asian which are the lion's share of the Asian category. I gave the breakdown of the figures above in Table 4, page 41.

People without an agenda, who can read actual numbers, are welcome to look at the actual data instead of your disingenuous claims. London police will tell you that Asian gangs include Tamil Hindu, Bangladeshi and Pakistani gangs..

The victims range from white girls from did functional families to Hindu and Sikh girls from conservative families. But never Muslim girls. Is it just a coincidence ?

I suggest you read the actual report instead of making things up.

You are conflating two different issues here. That figure was produced by a charity, is highly speculative in nature and is not based on actual prosecutions. It tries to put a cumulative figure on different forms of child exploitation including trafficking and private fostering. Nowhere does the report state that 5000 children are working the streets as prostitutes and the government has since acted to clamp down on legal loopholes that may have allowed children to be exposed to such abuse.

The discussion is about sexual exploitation of minors and the Home Office estimates 5000.

Whilst I am not denying that children continue to be sexually exploited in the UK by individuals other than Muslims but its the scale, shared modus operandi, the apparent racial motivation and the over representation of a certain ethnic group among the offenders that distinguishes this particular pattern of child abuse from the rest.

Provide actual statistics across the nation to back up your claims.
The data that we have flatly rejects your claim.

Out of 1200 odd offenders, 45 were Pakistani, which is 3.5% of the offenders.

Also note that the victim figure of 100 is for just one case in Telford that went to court last month. The total number of children abused across the UK by similar groups is likely to run into many hundreds..

Lots of things are 'likely to be' in people's minds. I prefer to deal with reality rather than people's projections out of thin air.

 

[Roybot]

More reading comprehension problems for you.

And someone lacks basic cognitive skills.

That 28% includes unknown Asian which are the lion's share of the Asian category. I gave the breakdown of the figures above in Table 4, page 41.

The "Other Asians" doesn't mean it doesn't include the Pakistanis as well. It just means that their nationality hasn't been specified. 45 cases where Pakistani has been specifically mentioned, there are still many more who fall under Asian-others.

This can be further verified from the 2012-2013 Threat Assessment of Child Sexual Exploitation and Abuse report, where it specifically says,

Data currently suggests that a disproportionate number of offenders are British Asian, particularly British Pakistani, males. However, more work needs to be done with a broader set of data to better understand whether any correlation exists.

http://www.ceop.police.uk/Documents/ceopdocs/CEOPThreatA_2012_190612_web.pdf

Go ahead and conveniently overlook the above report again

People without an agenda, who can read actual numbers, are welcome to look at the actual data instead of your disingenuous claims. London police will tell you that Asian gangs include Tamil Hindu, Bangladeshi and Pakistani gangs..

Now the London Police also has an agenda against Pakistanis, and they can't read actual numbers?

I wonder then, as to why the London Police is saying that a disproportionate number of offenders are Asians particularly Pakistani Males. And I wonder why we almost never hear about these "Tamil Hindus" and Bangladeshis pedophile gangs, but the news about Pakistani pedophiles is all over the media. There can be only one explanation to this, the world media is out there to get British Pakistanis( am guessing Zionist-Hindoo axis?), and needlessly maligning the good image of British Pakistanis, who otherwise are an ideal migrant group.


Lets see you spin this one around spin doctor

 

[Zabaniyah]

Well, that is just gay...

 

[EXPERIMENT]

Another justification of the crime. Not once did you see the problem with the muslim community. Muslims are over represented in these crime why?

People are asking these questions.

No one would be convinced that islam is not tied to this.

People are now blaming islam as the root of the problem. Why? What has the muslim community done about that?

Case after case, Pakistani muslims are caught in these acts? Why?

Absolute horrendous treatment was meted out to these girls as young as 13.

The problem is staring you in the face and you turn your back towards it.

As good as your Intentions maybe. It appears you beat a dead horse.

 

[Developereo]

And someone lacks basic cognitive skills.

WHY OH WHY do you insist on exposing your ignorance of statistics and basic English?

The 28% includes ALL ASIANS -- including Unknowns --.

The only definitive number for Pakistanis is 45 = 3.5%
The number of Unknown Asians is 290.

No amount of twisting numbers will substantiate your bogus insinuation that these 290 'Unknowns' were all Pakistani.

The London Police also had a special task force dedicated to tackle Tamil Hindu gangs. Should we conclude that they pose the main threat to security in London?

 

[Zabaniyah]

Another justification of the crime. Not once did you see the problem with the muslim community. Muslims are over represented in these crime why?

People are asking these questions.

No one would be convinced that islam is not tied to this.

People are now blaming islam as the root of the problem. Why? What has the muslim community done about that?

Case after case, Pakistani muslims are caught in these acts? Why?

Absolute horrendous treatment was meted out to these girls as young as 13.

The problem is staring you in the face and you turn your back towards it.

Islam doesn't condone such idiotic sentiments. However, history does suggest that Muslim men do use religion to exploit women.

That is how they used to do it British-era Bengal (my part), and women's rights have come a long way. It was a hard road to the achievement today. And there's still a lot of work to be done.

Even today in countries like Egypt and Afghanistan, women's rights to self-respect and achievement are an issue. And overcoming those barriers put by a bunch of misogynists is a long and hard path (sad but true).

This is a similar tactic those idiots are trying to use in the Western world.

 

[livingdead]

Islam doesn't condone such idiotic sentiments. However, history does suggest that Muslim men do use religion to exploit women.

That is how they used to do it British-era Bengal (my part), and women's rights have come a long way. It was a hard road to the achievement today. And there's still a lot of work to be done.

Even today in countries like Egypt and Afghanistan, women's rights to self-respect and achievement are an issue. And overcoming those barriers put by a bunch of misogynists is a long and hard path (sad but true).

This is a similar tactic those idiots are trying to use in the Western world.

you are mixing culture and religion, although islam like any other religion has its share of cultural baggage.
I dont want to revisit the 'oh its not the religion but the follower that are bad' logic.. because religion is not the problem here.

In India you can see they dont really do well in north India but much better in east. Same religion, but different culture.

In this specific case though, one should focus on cultural background (pakistani, probably hailing from specific region) because thats what the correlation suggests.

 

[temujin]

More reading comprehension problems for you.

That 28% includes unknown Asian which are the lion's share of the Asian category. I gave the breakdown of the figures above in Table 4, page 41.

I hope you are aware that the CEOP report itself was commissioned primarily on the back of concerns around organised sexual rings involving Pakistanis that has been around for years? So the HO had clearly identified a problem at that point and the review was essentially an attempt to establish emerging patterns in localised grooming and its potential association with certain ethnicities to aid targeted intervention The report was completed in January 2011 and as most high profile convictions have taken place since the figure contained within the report are woefully out of date anyway. In my view, increased rates of detection and conviction in the last few years has been in many ways the direct consequence of a more public acknowledgement of the problem by law enforcement that the CEOP report among other things has brought about.

Whilst the number of convictions where ethnicity was formally recorded as 'Pakistani' may have been 3.5%, in 2011, it would be foolish to conclude on that basis that there were no individuals of Pakistani origin in the 'unknown Asian' group, which appears to be whole premise of your argument. In fact there is much anecdotal evidence to the contrary coming from members of the Muslim community itself, as cited in the OP.

There may also be methodological constraints when considering detailed analysis of the figures based on race and ethnicity, a fact that CEOP itself refers to in the report-

From the report-

in relation to ethnicity, the data was often recorded to a particularly poor standard at the point of capture. ‘Ethnicity’ was often conflated with ‘nationality’ and neither factor captured according to a conventional or standardised classification scheme.

As someone working within statutory services, I regularly undertake audits of our team's records and demographic data, particularly relating to ethnicity and religion is poorly recorded, if at all. The format used to capture this information is not really fit for purpose, as evident from the example below-

http://www.justice.gov.uk/downloads...-offender-assessment-profile/3CoreProfile.pdf

ASSET is a core assessment tool widely used by youth justice and the section on ethnicity data on Page 1 follows the standard template in use across statutory agencies.

If you have every visited the UK, you'd know that Mirpuris, who constitute the vast majority of the Pakistani diaspora in the UK, refer to themselves as 'Kashmiris' rather than Pakistanis, possibly as they regard the former as less stigmatising. It is highly likely most Mirpuris, who have featured heavily in all recent convictions, ticked the 'Asian other' option in response to the question relating to ethnicity on arrest and I think this offers the most plausible explanation as to why that particular group is over represented among Asian offenders.

If on the other hand you insist on living in denial and since the burden of proof is on you to establish that the 'Asian other' group includes no individuals of Pakistani origin, I invite you to undertake an extensive online search to identify, as per your claim, cases of Hindu/Tamil/Punjabi gangs who have been convicted of similar offences in recent years.

You might also want to watch the BBC documentary from a few years ago in my earlier post which specifically addresses this issue within the Pakistani diaspora and additionally highlights challenges law enforcement has hitherto faced in bringing such cases to court, both due to the sensitivities around the issue as well as the extremely organised and manipulative manner in which these groups operate.

I suggest you read the actual report instead of making things up.

Although the victims in recent cases have all been white, organised grooming of Sikh and Hindu girls by Muslim men has been a long standing concern of both communities in the UK and in fact, 'Shere e Punjab' was formed in the 80s to specifically counter this threat.

Sikh Girls / Pakistani Muslim sex gangs / 'Shere Panjab' (Sikh organisation) - Birmingham, UK - 1988 - YouTube

Although the victims may have changed in recent years, the modus operandi of the gangs and attitudes driving the offending i.e. dehumanising of the 'infidel', particularly females, has remained consistent.

The discussion is about sexual exploitation of minors and the Home Office estimates 5000.

I repeat, those figures are not based on actual convictions and were produced by a charity which may have a vested interest in inflating numbers.

Lots of things are 'likely to be' in people's minds. I prefer to deal with reality rather than people's projections out of thin air.

The estimated number of victims in Telford alone is around 100 so 'many hundreds' is a reasonable guess in my opinion given similar gangs are thought to be in operation in 'every town and city in the North/Midlands' (quote from investigative journalist in 'Groomed for Sex') and possibly beyond ( Oxford and High Wycombe being cases in point)

 

[livingdead]

Adil Ray of 'Ramadan Foundation'.... in BBC 3 documentary 'groomed for sex'. Request non british to watch it.

full doc here..
http://watchdocumentary.org/watch/exposed-groomed-for-sex-video_55b0b48a4.html

 

[Developereo]

the CEOP report

The report itself contains the disclosure up front that the data is meager and is weighted. This lessens the credibility of any conclusions based on the report's data.

it would be foolish to conclude on that basis that there were no individuals of Pakistani origin in the 'unknown Asian' group, which appears to be whole premise of your argument.

Not at all. I am not the one making premises, YOU are -- that the majority or all of these 'Unknowns' are Pakistani.

In fact there is much anecdotal evidence to the contrary coming from members of the Muslim community itself, as cited in the OP.

Again, anecdotal evidence is worthless. Provide numbers to back your claims.

If on the other hand you insist on living in denial and since the burden of proof is on you to establish that the 'Asian other' group includes no individuals of Pakistani origin,

Wrong.

The burden on proof is on YOU, since YOU are making the claim -- conjecture -- that the majority or all of these unknowns are Pakistani.

I am not denying that this group might contain Pakistanis; I am challenging your conjecture, and YOU must provide proof to substantiate your claim that the majority or all are Pakistani.

organised grooming of Sikh and Hindu girls by Muslim men has been a long standing concern of both communities in the UK and in fact, 'Shere e Punjab' was formed in the 80s to specifically counter this threat.

Many ethnic groups formed gangs initially as protection from other ethnic gangs. Tamil Hindu gangs terrorized London to the point where London Police had special units just to tackle that particular menace.

One again, all we have is unsubstantiated allegations from these communities.

I repeat, those figures are not based on actual convictions and were produced by a charity which may have a vested interest in inflating numbers.

The numbers are estimated by the Home Office.

in my opinion [...] thought to be

More biased speculation. You are arguing backwards.

You have already decided on a conclusion and are offering opinions, anecdotes and conjectures as the basis of your claim.

 

[Roybot]

WHY OH WHY do you insist on exposing your ignorance of statistics and basic English?

O the wise one, please help me decipher this complicated statement, for it is beyond my capabilities

s. Data currently suggests that a disproportionate number of offenders are British Asian, particularly British Pakistani, males. However, more work needs to be done with a broader set of data to better understand whether any correlation exists.

I have gone up a font size this time to make sure you don't "accidentally" overlook the statement yet again.

The 28% includes ALL ASIANS -- including Unknowns --.

The only definitive number for Pakistanis is 45 = 3.5%
The number of Unknown Asians is 290.

Wrong, its at least 28%. "For groups one and two combined, the ethnicity of 38% of the offenders was unknown, 30% were white, 28% asian, 3% Black and 0.16% Chinese."

No amount of twisting numbers will substantiate your bogus insinuation that these 290 'Unknowns' were all Pakistani.

No where have I said that all of the 290 unknowns were Pakistani, stop putting words in my mouth. But according to the London Police, " disproportionate number of offenders are British Asian, particularly British Pakistani, males".

The London Police also had a special task force dedicated to tackle Tamil Hindu gangs. Should we conclude that they pose the main threat to security in London?

I have never said that Pakistani pedophiles pose a threat to security to London, thats Pakistani terrorists mainly, so again stop putting words in my mouth.

And please do share the news about the London Police special task force formed to tackle Tamil Hindu pedophile gangs.

 

[jbond197]

its not all muslims, there are no arabs and no iranians as well, nor bangladeshi... its specific cultural issue mostly pakistani (and applies to north India as well)

Sorry for being off-topic -
are you here trying to tell that South, East, North East, West India don't have that cultural issue that you pointing out? Can you back it up with statistics?

 

[temujin]

The report itself contains the disclosure up front that the data is meager and is weighted. This lessens the credibility of any conclusions based on the report's data.

You can`t have the cake and eat it too..you are disputing the credibility of the report whilst simultaneously drawing on figures contained within it, in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary based on actual convictions in recent years, to disingenuously argue that men of Pakistani background do not constitute a disproportionate number of those convicted for organised grooming offences.

As pointed out in the BBC documentary I posted earlier, police have historically been constrained by a culture of political correctness together with the secretive nature of these gangs and lack of cooperation from the 'community' in investigating these cases, let alone bring them to court. Trials are expensive and since all the accused are likely to rely on legal aid, the CPS has to make a considered judgement on which cases to put forward to prosecution, given the few witnesses who do come forward run the risk of being deemed unreliable by the court due to their circumstances. In fact, one of the cases that went to trial last year almost collapsed after a witness was discredited in court and was only salvaged due to the heroic efforts of a particularly assiduous investigating officer. The BBC 4 did a lengthy interview with her a while ago on her involvement with the investigation which offers a lot of insight into the inner workings of these gangs- you should be able to look it up on You tube if you so wish.

With regards to burden of proof, I offered you a clear description with links to relevant documents on how data relating to ethnic origin is collected by the Criminal Justice System in the UK which in turn explains the methodological shortcomings that CEOP itself refers to in the report that ultimately led to the number of Pakistani origin offenders being grossly underestimated. In response, you have persisted with unsubstantiated claims relating to 'Hindu and Tamil gangs' without offering any objective evidence to back it up and therefore the burden of proof rests firmly on you in this case.

Since you are once again choosing to hide behind the lack of 'hard numbers', give it a few years and you`ll be blaming the explosion in conviction numbers on the usual suspect i.e. 'western/Jew/Hindoo conspiracy against Islam'.

The police seem to be finally getting their act together. This story is from March and therefore predates the Oxford convictions and several dozen arrests have been reported in the Rochdale/Oldham area since..

54 arrested in crackdown on grooming of young girls for sex

A police chief has revealed that 54 suspects have been arrested across the Bradford district in the last five months by officers investigating cases of predatory paedophiles.

Speaking after the jailing of two child rapists, who travelled to Keighley to groom and snare their victims, Chief Superintendent Angela Williams pledged to work with the whole community to improve youngsters’ safety.

“There are ongoing investigations into similar crimes – including another case in Keighley – and since October there have been 54 arrests within the Bradford district,” said Chief Supt Williams.

And she stressed this was a sign that police tactics were working to cut out the grooming of vulnerable teenage girls – not a signal of increased paedophile activity.

“Those arrests prove success because they show the system is working. Success breeds success and I firmly believe we have reached a tipping point – particularly in the fact that more and more children now feel able to talk to us,” she said.

And the new commander for the Airedale and North Bradford division has a keen personal interest in protecting the area’s children as she was born and raised close to Lund Park, Keighley, one of the sites where perverts Shazad Rehman and Bilal Hussain preyed on girls as young as 14.

Chief Supt Williams said: “I really care about Keighley – I was born and brought up here.

“I went to a local primary school not far from Lund Park.

“So I know these streets and have childhood memories of the town.”

Speaking as a parent with a teenage daughter, Chief Supt Williams urged others with children to join the police and other agencies in the fight against child sexual exploitation by being vigilant for tell-tale signs of potential problems.

“Luckily we have a very open relationship and talk about everything, so as a mum myself, I know it is important to keep an eye on what’s going on,” she said.

Chief Supt Williams said: “We currently have some 70 children, the majority being girls, who are identified as vulnerable or potentially at risk of sexual exploitation in Bradford district.”

And she asked any children with concerns not to hesitate in speaking out about any anxieties.

“I would encourage them to speak to friends, family, carers or teachers and if it needs to come to the police then we will deal with it carefully and seriously,” said Chief Supt Williams.

“We have a new central hub at Javelin House Police Station, Eccleshill, which has a family room which is nothing like a police station where all different agencies and people can get together and talk things through.

“But there is no need to even go to a police station, which can be intimidating, we can always meet elsewhere.”

Chief Supt Williams said the police were aware of networks which exist between paedophile groups.

“Obviously I cannot discuss ongoing cases, but we are aware of networks and how those involved work in an organised and deliberate fashion,” she said.

“However in the recent case we are not aware of any family, business or leisure links between the two men and Keighley or why they chose to come here.

“It could just have been a convenient place far enough from their local area for them not to be known and where they could carry out their sordid attacks and get home easily.”

“Their heavy sentences should send out a message that we have the technology and the tactics to trace and catch anyone coming into the area.”

Chief Supt Williams said although both men were Asian, that was not viewed as a significant factor in the actual crime.

“While we, of course, acknowledge their ethnicity, what we are dealing with is paedophiles regardless of their background,” she said.

“That is why we will work with every part of the community and welcome information and help from all people,” she said. “I care about Keighley – we all care about Keighley.”

l Shazad Rehman and Bilal Hussain raped a 14-year-old-girl “one after the other” and each raped other teenage girls after luring them into cars.

Rehman, 30, of no fixed address, was jailed for 18 and a half years and Hussain, 23, of Neville Road Avenue, Leeds, was jailed for 17 and a half years by a Bradford Crown Court judge last week.

54 arrested in crackdown on grooming of young girls for sex (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)


Since you insist the figure of 5000 child prostitutes in the UK comes from the HO, please provide evidence to back up your claim. Meanwhile here is the link to a BBC story on the report..

BBC NEWS | UK | UK 'has 5,000 child prostitutes'