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This is how racism takes root

The different ways the media covered two cases of men grooming children for sex show how shockingly easy it is to demonise a whole community

By now surely everyone knows the case of the eight men convicted of picking vulnerable underage girls off the streets, then plying them with drink and drugs before having sex with them. A shocking story. But maybe you haven't heard. Because these sex assaults did not take place in Rochdale, where a similar story led the news for days in May, but in Derby earlier this month. Fifteen girls aged 13 to 15, many of them in care, were preyed on by the men. And though they were not working as a gang, their methods were similar – often targeting children in care and luring them with, among other things, cuddly toys. But this time, of the eight predators, seven were white, not Asian. And the story made barely a ripple in the national media.

Of the daily papers, only the Guardian and the Times reported it. There was no commentary anywhere on how these crimes shine a light on British culture, or how middle-aged white men have to confront the deep flaws in their religious and ethnic identity. Yet that's exactly what played out following the conviction in May of the "Asian sex gang" in Rochdale, which made the front page of every national newspaper. Though analysis of the case focused on how big a factor was race, religion and culture, the unreported story is of how politicians and the media have created a new racial scapegoat. In fact, if anyone wants to study how racism begins, and creeps into the consciousness of an entire nation, they need look no further.

Imagine you were living in a town of 20,000 people – the size of, say, Penzance in Cornwall – and one day it was discovered that one of its residents had been involved in a sex crime. Would it be reasonable to say that the whole town had a cultural problem, that it needed to address the scourge – that anyone not doing so was part of a "conspiracy of silence"? But the intense interest in the Rochdale story arose from a January 2011 Times "scoop" that was based on the conviction of at most 50 British Pakistanis out of a total UK population of 1.2 million, just one in 24,000: one person per Penzance.

Make no mistake, the Rochdale crimes were vile, and those convicted deserve every year of their sentences. But where, amid all the commentary, was the evidence that this is a racial issue; that there's something inherently perverted about Muslim or Asian culture?

Even the Child Protection and Online Protection Centre (Ceop), which has also studied potential offenders who have not been convicted, has only identified 41 Asian gangs (of 230 in total) and 240 Asian individuals – and they are spread across the country. But, despite this, a new stereotype has taken hold: that a significant proportion of Asian men are groomers (and the rest of their communities know of it and keep silent).

But if it really is an "Asian" thing, how come Indians don't do it? If it's a "Pakistani" thing, how come an Afghan was convicted in the Rochdale case? And if it's a "Muslim" thing, how come it doesn't seem to involve anyone of African or Middle Eastern origin? The standard response to anyone who questions this is: face the facts, all those convicted in Rochdale were Muslim. Well, if one case is enough to make such a generalisation, how about if all the members of a gang of armed robbers were white; or cybercriminals; or child traffickers? (All three of these have happened.) Would we be so keen to "face the facts" and make it a problem the whole white community has to deal with? Would we have articles examining what it is about Britishness or Christianity or Europeanness, that makes people so capable of such things?

In fact, Penzance had not just one paedophile, but a gang of four. They abused 28 girls, some as young as five, and were finally convicted two years ago. All were white. And last month, at a home affairs select committee, deputy children's commissioner Sue Berelowitz quoted a police officer who had told her that "there isn't a town, village or hamlet in which children are not being sexually exploited".

Whatever the case, we know that abuse of white girls is not a cultural or religious issue because there is no longstanding history of it taking place in Asia or the Muslim world.

How did middle-aged Asian men from tight-knit communities even come into contact with white teenage girls in Rochdale? The main cultural relevance in this story is that vulnerable, often disturbed, young girls, regularly out late at night, often end up in late-closing restaurants and minicab offices, staffed almost exclusively by men. After a while, relationships build up, with the men offering free lifts and/or food. For those with a predatory instinct, sexual exploitation is an easy next step. This is an issue of what men can do when away from their own families and in a position of power over badly damaged young people.

It's a story repeated across Britain, by white and other ethnic groups: where the opportunity arises, some men will take advantage. The precise method, and whether it's an individual or group crime, depends on the particular setting – be they priests, youth workers or networks on the web.

Despite all we know about racism, genocide and ethnic cleansing, the Rochdale case showed how shockingly easy it is to demonise a community. Before long, the wider public will believe the problem is endemic within that race/religion, and that anyone within that group who rebuts the claims is denying this basic truth. Normally, one would expect a counter-argument to force its way into the discussion. But in this case the crimes were so horrific that right-thinking people were naturally wary of being seen to condone them. In fact, the reason I am writing this is that I am neither Asian nor Muslim nor Pakistani, so I cannot be accused of being in denial or trying to hide a painful truth. But I am black, and I know how racism works; and, more than that, I have a background in maths and science, so I know you can't extrapolate a tiny, flawed set of data and use it to make a sweeping generalisation.

I am also certain that, if the tables were turned and the victims were Asian or Muslim, we would have been subjected to equally skewed "expert" commentary asking: what is wrong with how Muslims raise girls? Why are so many of them on the streets at night? Shouldn't the community face up to its shocking moral breakdown?

While our media continue to exclude minority voices in general, such lazy racial generalisations are likely to continue. Even the story of a single Asian man acting alone in a sex case made the headlines. As in Derby this month, countless similar cases involving white men go unreported.

We have been here before, of course: in the 1950s, West Indian men were labelled pimps, luring innocent young white girls into prostitution. By the 1970s and 80s they were vilified as muggers and looters. And two years ago, Channel 4 ran stories, again based on a tiny set of data, claiming there was an endemic culture of gang rape in black communities. The victims weren't white, though, so media interest soon faded. It seems that these stories need to strike terror in the heart of white people for them to really take off.

What is also at play here is the inability of people, when learning about a different culture or race, to distinguish between the aberrations of a tiny minority within that group, and the normal behaviour of a significant section. Some examples are small in number but can be the tip of a much wider problem: eg, knife crime, which is literally the sharp end of a host of problems affecting black communities ranging from family breakdown, to poverty, to low school achievement and social exclusion.

But in Asia, Pakistan or Islam there is no culture of grooming or sex abuse – any more than there is anywhere else in the world – so the tiny number of cases have no cultural significance. Which means those who believe it, or perpetuate it, are succumbing to racism, much as they may protest. Exactly the same mistake was made after 9/11, when the actions of a tiny number of fanatics were used to cast aspersions against a 1.5 billion-strong community worldwide. Motives were questioned: are you with us or the terrorists? How fundamental are your beliefs? Can we trust you?

Imagine if, after Anders Breivik's carnage in Norway last year, which he claimed to be in defence of the Christian world, British people were repeatedly asked whether they supported him? Lumped together in the same white religious group as the killer and constantly told they must renounce him, or explain why we should believe that their type of Christianity – even if they were non-believers – is different from his. "It's nothing to do with me", most people would say. But somehow that answer was never good enough when given by Muslims over al-Qaida. And this hectoring was self-defeating because it caused only greater alienaton and resentment towards the west and, in particular, its foreign policies.

Ultimately, the urge to vilify groups of whom we know little may be very human, and helps us bond with those we feel are "like us". But if we are going to deal with the world as it is, and not as a cosy fantasyland where our group is racially and culturally supreme, we have to recognise when sweeping statements are false.

And if we truly care about the sexual exploitation of girls, we need to know that we must look at all communities, across the whole country, and not just at those that play to a smug sense of superiority about ourselves.


This is how racism takes root | Joseph Harker | Comment is free | The Guardian

No comments after reading this article i guess? also can somebody tell me where islam teaches about "child grooming" etc? why dont the extremist "islamist" terrorists like taliban commit rapes if islam teaches such shyt?

@ali786- I fail to understand what's wrong with you people,this is not about what some individuals did but about the fact that muslim youth are actually thaught to act like this towards white women just because they don't fit their medieval ways of thinking and this is stated by an imam,not me! Stop beating around the bush and talk about the real problem,that beeing that some of your countrymen are told by their religious elite that this is the way to go.

Did you even read the article? also can you enlighten us where islam is teaching abt "child grooming" or abusing non muslim women? its the same as the irish priests sodomising alter boys? does christianity teach them to do it?
 
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If the Bit$$$$ Wants to get Fcuked why you are blaming me you must be doing the same sh$$ other wise she will replace us with sex toys and Dog. :omghaha:


I guess it's better then beeing a "rapist a## licker like you",i don't really understand what you're doing in a western country.Scum like you should be deported ASAP back to the cave they came from in their native country.You'll be the first to shed crocodile tears when europeans will have enough of their women beeing raped because they're "sluts" and go holocaust on your a$$es.Keep digging your own graves boys...
 
Did you even read the article? also can you enlighten us where islam is teaching abt "child grooming" or abusing non muslim women? its the same as the irish priests sodomising alter boys? does christianity teach them to do it?

"Moreover, reputable studies show that around 26 per cent of those involved in grooming and exploitation rings are Muslims, which is around five times higher than the proportion of Muslims in the adult male population.

To pretend that this is not an issue for the Islamic community is to fall into a state of ideological denial."

"The view of some Islamic preachers towards white women can be appalling. They encourage their followers to believe that these women are habitually promiscuous, decadent and sleazy — sins which are made all the worse by the fact that they are kaffurs or non-believers.

Their dress code, from mini-skirts to sleeveless tops, is deemed to reflect their impure and immoral outlook. According to this mentality, these white women deserve to be punished for their behaviour by being exploited and degraded."

I'm just quoting the imam here,and on top of that the fact that in the statistics the numbers of the assailants are not in the favour of muslims speaks volumes to.The only attitude you should have here is to condemn these lunatics and not shout racism,that is just disgusting.
 
If the Bit$$$$ Wants to get Fcuked why you are blaming me you must be doing the same sh$$ other wise she will replace us with sex toys and Dog. :omghaha:

That's all right man,the europeans will be saying the same things when they'll put you in camps:"hey,why are we racists,these guys were into raping for the fun of it,they're all subhumans,they deserve it",they won't even get an arguement for that either.
 
British Pakistanis need to stop ducking the issue just because they are ashamed to face the problem. Yes this is shameful but they will only feel more shame if they do not confront the demons within because sooner or later the Whites will do it themselves. Right now the British government is trying to encourage them to fix themselves, somebody in the British Pakistani community needs to take up the initiative.
 
Good Mamba. Me like the way you think, minus the part where you don't agree with me! :D

British Pakistanis need to stop ducking the issue just because they are ashamed to face the problem. Yes this is shameful but they will only feel more shame if they do not confront the demons within because sooner or later the Whites will do it themselves. Right now the British government is trying to encourage them to fix themselves, somebody in the British Pakistani community needs to take up the initiative.
 
"Moreover, reputable studies show that around 26 per cent of those involved in grooming and exploitation rings are Muslims, which is around five times higher than the proportion of Muslims in the adult male population.

To pretend that this is not an issue for the Islamic community is to fall into a state of ideological denial."

"The view of some Islamic preachers towards white women can be appalling. They encourage their followers to believe that these women are habitually promiscuous, decadent and sleazy — sins which are made all the worse by the fact that they are kaffurs or non-believers.

Their dress code, from mini-skirts to sleeveless tops, is deemed to reflect their impure and immoral outlook. According to this mentality, these white women deserve to be punished for their behaviour by being exploited and degraded."

I'm just quoting the imam here,and on top of that the fact that in the statistics the numbers of the assailants are not in the favour of muslims speaks volumes to.The only attitude you should have here is to condemn these lunatics and not shout racism,that is just disgusting.

I get the fact tht some retards think tht the so called white women are promiscuous and bad etc... but where does this encourage muslims to punish,exploite or degrade women? in islam if you rape a women irrespective of her religion ... the punishment is death...
 
I get the fact tht some retards think tht the so called white women are promiscuous and bad etc... but where does this encourage muslims to punish,exploite or degrade women? in islam if you rape a women irrespective of her religion ... the punishment is death...

You won't get an arguement from me here because even if i'm not a follower i know that,the fact remains that scores of uneducated scum like those are not getting the memo!! Quite the opposite i might say...even on this forums we get examples of fools with "they wear mini skirts so they deserved it" rhetoric:hitwall:
 
No comments after reading this article i guess? also can somebody tell me where islam teaches about "child grooming" etc? why dont the extremist "islamist" terrorists like taliban commit rapes if islam teaches such shyt?



Did you even read the article? also can you enlighten us where islam is teaching abt "child grooming" or abusing non muslim women? its the same as the irish priests sodomising alter boys? does christianity teach them to do it?

So an op-ed piece by a leftie apologist in the Guardian (I thought you guys hate commies?) full of half truths, speculation and innuendo is supposed to trump overwhelming evidence, numerous convictions and statements from leading figures within the Muslim community itself? Did you check the comments at the bottom of the article to see what Guardian readers (champagne socialists, 'bleeding heart liberals', LGBTs and 'ethnics'- the very demographic that an average Muslim despises) thought of it?

I guess the author was desperate for some publicity and felt he had found a captive audience in Guardian readers- he got publicity alright but probably not the kind he was hoping for/expecting.

Here is a documentary that Aunty Pravda aka BBC aired on the issue a few years ago.

Exposed - Groomed For Sex - YouTube


Since it comes from the stables of the BBC and features a Pakistani presenter, a generous dose of political correctness and apportioning blame on victims, the neighbour's dog, Martians- in short, everybody else except the perpetrators themselves- is to be expected, but it does do a half decent job of highlighting it as a specific issue within the Pakistani community.

Some of explanations/apologies for the abuse offered up by the programme are no longer valid, for instance, the claim that the problem is limited to the North/Midlands, as gangs have since been found both in High Wycombe and Oxford among other places. In a bid to downplay the religious connotation in favour of a class angle (an old favourite of the BBC) the programme seeks to portray such behaviour as exclusive to Mirpuri cabbies and Kebab shop workers married to first cousins, although this no longer seems to be the case as gangs arrested recently have included even an Imam, as well as Afghans and North Africans.


As for what young Muslims are being taught by their 'religious leaders' in mosques up and down the country- which is probably representative of what goes on in other parts of the world- can be gauged from the documentary 'Undercover Mosque' that was aired by Channel 4 a few years ago.The programme was filmed in secret in some of the biggest mosques in the UK and things being openly preached in Friday sermons is truly shocking.

I cannot post a link to the programme due to copyright issues but it is available freely on the interweb.

Since the thread is about treatment of infidel women by Muslims, here are a few select quotes regarding women and infidels borrowed from the Wiki page on the programme-

Abu Usamah speaking on the deficiency of women's minds: “Allah has created the woman, even if she gets a PhD, deficient. Her intellect is incomplete, deficient. She may be suffering from hormones that will make her emotional. It takes two witnesses of a woman to equal the one witness of the man.”[4]

Dr Bilal Philips on marriage with girls before puberty: “The prophet Muhammad practically outlined the rules regarding marriage prior to puberty. With his practice, he clarified what is permissible, and that is why we shouldn't have any issues about an older man marrying a younger woman, which is looked down upon by this society today, but we know that Prophet Mohammed practised it, it wasn’t abuse or exploitation, it was marriage.”[4]

Al Jibali: “By the age of ten, it becomes an obligation on us to force her to wear hijab, and if she doesn’t wear hijab, we hit her.”[6]

Abdullah el-Faisal: “You have to bomb the Indian businesses, and as for the Jews you kill them physically.”[6]

Advocates violent Jihad against the non-Muslims and predicting that an army of Muslims will arise against the non-Muslims in England.[3]


There are many more..

Undercover Mosque - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Better still, watch the programme- I am sure you`ll see where I am coming from
 
"Moreover, reputable studies show that around 26 per cent of those involved in grooming and exploitation rings are Muslims, which is around five times higher than the proportion of Muslims in the adult male population.
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Crime statistics in case of minorities suffer from "statistical bias". Smaller samples means anything beyond some limited numbers starts looking like HUGE.

Please avoid spreading such biased numbers.

While you have every right to focus on the awful crime being discussed in this thread, why on earth you will simply ignore the almost 75% of the crime.

Why can't you just say that white majority is committing majority of molestation and sexual exploitation?

Why are you purposefully ignoring 75 out of 100 exploited women, in your noble quest to save just 25 or 26?

But you won't

Because you have a point to prove that Muslims are low life chimps, their mullahs are pigs (and in some cases that is true), and thus the whole Muslim group in UK, or even EU is all f'd up b@stardized collection of homosapians.

Say it brother.

Say it?

It may help you deal with your chronicically constipated conspiratorial mind. Say it!

In this way you can also tell your wife, your mother, and your sister and your daughter to avoid touching a Muslim not even with a 10 feet pole, because they are all dirty, lowlife scums.

This perhaps is the real reason of why so many Hindus just jumped on this thread with their dhoties fluttering high behind them.

Perhaps this is the real reason.


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"The view of some Islamic preachers towards white women can be appalling. They encourage their followers to believe that these women are habitually promiscuous, decadent and sleazy — sins which are made all the worse by the fact that they are kaffurs or non-believers.......

Oh Common!

What the f this statement for?

FYI.

I'll be the first one to say that such Mullahs are losers and Talib-b@stards.

but you are committing huge intellectually dishonest leap into the gutter, by linking what these turd Mullahs say to the awful sexual crimes of the few men involved.


No one can ever support such Mullahs.


But you my dear PhD degree holder, ever tried to figure out why these Mullahs are saying such awful stuff?

Do you?

Did you ever go and interview a single Mullah and ask him, hey dude? Why the f^ck you are making this type of statements.


FYI. I have asked this. I have pleaded face to face these village idiots to not say things such as these.


They say, we DO NOT want our young men to get involved with white trash (You think a Muslim invented the term white trash, do you?).

That's all.

These village idiot Mullahs do not know how to emphasize chaste behavior to the young boys in their community, so they use politically incorrect statements about white trash.

Obviously their message never got through to these guys and they did end up f^cking white trash and then getting caught up in the sex scandal.

But you will never try to understand why the f ing Mullah said and what these criminals ended up doing, and if an honest intellectual should ever link the two?


No Siree. you all are committing mental masturbation by imagining X-rated movie showing a lowlife scum-bag Asian having intercourse with white trash. Yes. Admit it you all net-warriors because most of you are not getting any. And this type of posting are the only way for you all to have "fun" and the expense of scum-bags and exploited white women. This is the only way.

And to get this mental masturbation you are more than willing to commit nth degree of intellectual dishonesty.


But may be you even do not know that you are committing intellectual dishonesty. Because some small brain is having too much "fun".

Perhaps you are just a fine and gentle young man.

Who knows.

in this day of anonymous web postings. who knows.


peace
 
Crime statistics in case of minorities suffer from "statistical bias". Smaller samples means anything beyond some limited numbers starts looking like HUGE.

Please avoid spreading such biased numbers.

While you have every right to focus on the awful crime being discussed in this thread, why on earth you will simply ignore the almost 75% of the crime.

Why can't you just say that white majority is committing majority of molestation and sexual exploitation?

Why are you purposefully ignoring 75 out of 100 exploited women, in your noble quest to save just 25 or 26?

So you think 3 million out of 60 is not a big enough sample size to make an estimation of differences in incidence with reasonable confidence? Promptly bin whatever statistical textbook you got that from.

The fundamental issue is not whether Muslims commit the majority of these crimes but their gross over representation in such offending and the apparent racial motivation driving their behaviours.


They say, we DO NOT want our young men to get involved with white trash (You think a Muslim invented the term white trash, do you?).

That's all.

These village idiot Mullahs do not know how to emphasize chaste behavior to the young boys in their community, so they use politically incorrect statements about white trash.

I like your sense of moral dexerity- so you reckon its ok to openly promote bigotry as long as one's heart's in the right place? You must be equally comfortable with non Muslims being referred to as 'pigs and dogs' by the mullahs as long the intention is to merely promote kinship between Muslims? Answer on a postcard please..

This perhaps is the real reason of why so many Hindus just jumped on this thread with their dhoties fluttering high behind them.

And you accuse others of typecasting Muslims...


No Siree. you all are committing mental masturbation by imagining X-rated movie showing a lowlife scum-bag Asian having intercourse with white trash. Yes. Admit it you all net-warriors because most of you are not getting any. And this type of posting are the only way for you all to have "fun" and the expense of scum-bags and exploited white women. This is the only way.

And to get this mental masturbation you are more than willing to commit nth degree of intellectual dishonesty.

Well I can only speak for myself and since work brings me into contact with individuals who are similarly exploited, these incidents potentially make my job difficult due to 'perceived' shared ethnicity with the perpetrators. I am also father to a daughter and listening to victims of these pedophiles and their parents recount their experiences tends to fill me with grief and horror. I am also enraged at the Muslim community's general refusal to face up to the problem and the political mileage far right groups gain from it. This, together with regularly foiled terror attacks ultimately make lives for all individuals of Asian appearance including the majority among the Pakistani community who have no direct involvement in such incidents, increasingly untenable in the West. It is impossible to discuss these issues in public due to the prevailing climate of militant political correctness in this country, which means anonymous forums such as PDF are the only places where individuals can express their candid views on such matters.

I am sure other Indian contributors, many of who live in the West, were prompted to respond to this thread by similar sentiments.

Based on your post though, I think I already know what you 'Siree' may be getting out of all this...
 
So you think 3 million out of 60 is not a big enough sample size to make an estimation of differences in incidence with reasonable confidence? .....

What the f is this 3 million out of 60?

Look bro!

We can throw around the numbers all night and challenge their veracity to the hilt.


But to be honest, it is not the numbers, but the impression and your 1000 years old fear of fellow Muslims. And I feel that it is pretty much out of place in time and in place.



If you have a daughter, May God bless her with long life and bright future.

If you want to protect her, your statistics should be telling her to avoid trash of any kind. 75% of this trash could be white, and the other, well we have beaten the topic to death.

Haven't we.


It is sad to see an Indian out of all the people steaming and road rolling fellow asians who are now 3 or may be 4th generation British. Their forefathers and fore fore forefathers came from the areas now called Pakistan. And yes they were supposed to be "Muslims" aka righteous, aka loyal members of the British society.

But unfortunately some of them (a minority and no f ing way 3 millions of them) chose the life of crime.


Do you think the rest of British Muslims are willing to marry off their daughters to such men?

Do you think Pakistani Muslims hold such criminals as their heros and thus willing to put all their valuables on these sex offenders?

heck no!


Just like you, the Muslim too are worried and trying their best to avoid the same fate.

You should know our culture better than typical Euro trash (but you are hell bent on aping them).

Do British Muslims of Pak origin( BMoPo) respect their mothers any less than an British Hindus of Indian origin (BHoIo)?


Do BMoPo protective of their sisters any less than a BHoIo?




Do BMoPo hopeful about their boys' education and future any less than a BHoIo?



If the answer is yes, then you are on the right path.

If on the other hand you want to drag some Idiot village Mullah in this discussion, then may god help you.


peace
 
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I want to join a teenage-grooming sex gang, please :pleasantry:

On a serious note : Every community has problems. Here, Mexican gangs are big problems..if you look at them, their number is higher in proportion to Mexican community in the U.S. What does it mean? Well, it means nothing.

You can find such cases in every community where a certain crime is done by members of the community more often than their percentage representation in population.

Should I talk about blacks in jails in U.S? and how there are more blacks in U.S jails than their percentage representation in American society..

But I don't see 'indians' opening up threads on them..I wonder why? ;)
 
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