Overview after Paris attacks

[Dubious]

while giving undue freedom to Anjem.

and hence my question, why?
He is neither a scholar nor an imam...he has no education nor training for the "izzat" they grant him and made him climb to fame! Why?

Does Islam not have any scholars who they can invite to BBC? or do they like what the bigot says coz it sells?

Muslims don't take part in the war against Islamism/fanatical Islamists/fanatical Islamist radicals/whatever.

Yea Zar-e-zarb is against hindus
Kurdish Muslims are fighting Christian ISIS
Turkish did not send jets to attack Jewish ISIS

coz you claimed we dont fight MUSLIMS

THAT is the difference.

It is a hallucination at best!

my part lines to divert the topic wont help you in discussing me

That is how I see you discussing issues you have no knowledge to and picking out of context from limited knowledge obtained from god knows where!!

does not correspond my mind

But you wrote it, no?

using it to enforce your view in this unfair discussion.

I am not enforcing anything...I am pointing out to you

that Muslims so fools that everytime that they can be manipulated by foreign powers? Do they not have mind of their own? Eeverytime, everytime, you guys find some reason.

. Or are you telling me, that Muslims so fools that everytime that they can be manipulated by foreign powers?

I replied those you calling Muslims are people like Jihadi John who was a WHITE, pub goer when he suddenly decided to change it all and pick up and left to ISIS where he suddenly became 1 of the top leaders?

Or 70% of the fighters of ISIS are foreign fighters.

Oh yeah. US supplied FSA, which was funded by your own Muslims brothers in the Gulf. They are Muslims too.

To this I replied

The people recruited were people marginalized, reverts, druggies, convicted felons, those from Guantanamo bay and of course people running away from Assad!

Now tell me which of these havs Islam on their minds?

Look, replying by picking my part lines to divert the topic wont help you in discussing me. Either reply fully or I am not quoting you. The part lines you took in quoting me, does not correspond my mind. But you are using it to enforce your view in this unfair discussion.

No matter how I put it ....what I quoted was repeatation of the recruits and I replied who they were

My question is posed on to all Muslims on this thread so please I request respectfully others don't intervene:

Don't you all think that collectively speaking we all bore the burden of how Islam in general is portrayed in the western world? I do understand that Islam is hijacked and being used but why WE are letting it being used? I also understand that the anti-Islam forces are more organized and gazillion times more resourceful and therefore being successful but why can't WE for starters THINK what flaws WE have within our ranks which is either aiding or abetting anti-Islam forces? Are we united? Aren't majority of OUR people in our respective countries repeatedly side with corrupt leaders?

The bottom line is that the world will continue to mock US and OUR religion until ones in our ranks continue to play puppets...don't know when WE will learn from the history...

brother something for you:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=544821312334909

 

[AugenBlick]

do it please..let us see who can play dirty..bacho k saath khela kar..gaand maar li jayegi teri

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Yea Zar-e-zarb is against hindus
Kurdish Muslims are fighting Christian ISIS
Turkish did not send jets to attack Jewish ISIS

Zarb e Azb (not Zar e Zarb ) is against those who have (finally) bit the Pakistani state.
Kurdish Muslims are the most secular folks in the ME. Religion is not a part of their agenda.
The less said about the present Turkish state regarding ISIS, the better.

Does Islam not have any scholars who they can invite to BBC? or do they like what the bigot says coz it sells?

BBC invites both scholars. Both Anjem and others. In panels both are called. Then Anjem threatens the other with death for apostasy and people go silent. I will shut up wrt Anjem if Muslims like Majid Nawaz gain more support than Anjem did.

He is neither a scholar nor an imam...he has no education nor training for the "izzat" they grant him and made him climb to fame! Why?

That is your opinion about him. He rose to fame because ordinary Muslims decided to follow him. Live for him, die for him and even kill for him.

 

[Dubious]

Kurdish Muslims are the most secular folks in the ME. Religion is not a part of their agenda.
The less said about the present Turkish state regarding ISIS, the better.

Yea typical indian

BBC invites both scholars.

So shaming the word scholars is also an indian thing? I see

Only happens on BBC and in india is giving the schoalr title to anyone who has no formal education....no formal education = scholars in the eyes of indians ...I see!

your opinion

Its not an opinion but a fact! A scholar is a learned person not a hate spewing bitch who has no idea what he is talking about!

He rose to fame because ordinary Muslims decided to follow him

He was unknown (except in his mosque ONLY that too for being vocal and aggressive not for being progressive go ask anyone!) till BBC KEPT putting him as an example of a representative of a billion people..we have scholars, educated people but BBC never approached them!

Live for him, die for him and even kill for him.

And yet BBC keeps interviewing him, whats their policy for publicizing terrorists?

America: Your Solidarity with Paris is Embarrassingly Misguided

Op-Ed by Claire Bernish
November 14, 2015


(ANTIMEDIA) The World, at Large — We are in mourning. Again. Indeed, Paris is in mourning, again.

For the second time in less than a year, we are all de facto Parisians — with Facebook profiles, casinos, and whole buildings draped in the blue, white, and red of the French flag. Solidarity as sympathy, bien sûr — a most poignant message that humanity stands with Paris — and will act decisively to avenge the “carnage” unexpectedly wrought by those whose motives most will never fall victim to, much less comprehend.

Most?

Evidently, despite the accumulated knowledge of the entire planet at our disposal through the computer screen, solidarity has escaped some of us.

And I am weary.

Without question, I mourn for Paris’ recent victims and their families — and I would never claim knowledgeable firsthand experience of the same. But I refuse — despite my partial French heritage — to cloak myself in nationalism of any stripe or star, particularly not now. Because, besides victims in Paris, an incomprehensibly astronomic number of people have been grieving loss of the highest order for some time — in places whose names roll off our tongues as if it’s accepted that violence simply happens there — and a majority likely couldn’t guess the colors on these victims’ flags.

You see, I also mourn for those killed mere hours before Paris crumbled into chaos, in strikingly similar attacks in Beirut.

I mourn the hundreds of thousands displaced or killed in Syria, no matter their pledged allegiance. No matter their professed religion. No matter.

I mourn for the millions killed in ongoing and renewed, illegal United States’ aggression in Iraq — and those facing a torturous demise from exposure to depleted uranium employed in violation of international and humanitarian law — for reasons far closer to ‘American’ and corporate hegemony than compassionate principle.

I mourn the untold number killed in the United States’ insidious — and seemingly permanent — war in Afghanistan. And the countless children there who know nothing of peace, much less the feeling of safety it brings. And patients and staff recently targeted, bombed, and then shot while fleeing the Médecins Sans Frontières hospital in Kunduz — and the irony of that humanitarian organization’s French roots.

I mourn those forced into human slavery or sex trafficking in Malaysia; and curse the scant hope they escape, now that the massive TPP has garnered U.S. government’s tacit approval of the abhorrence that is human trade.

I mourn for Palestinians, whose land was usurped — and whose lives and infrastructure and families and sense of security and HOMES are under siege and occupation by an illegal and actively terrorist State.

I mourn the patients and staff at the over 100 healthcare facilities in Yemen that have been BOMBED since March. And the apparently soulless who found an acceptable target in hospitals.

I mourn for Yemen.

I mourn for the victims of complicit government violence in Mexico, and 43 students and their families who lack answers.

I mourn for Chinese men, women, and children working, quite literally, as slaves, so the West can be rude at dinner and take endless pictures — of its narcissistically apathetic self.

I mourn rampant genocide — past and present — for the sake of manifest destiny. And empire. And imperialism. And inexplicable and unstated reasons.

In fact, I mourn for all victims of terror, whether State or group sponsored, without conditions attached to my grief — no matter location, nor loyalty, nor arbitrary geopolitical happenstance of location of a victim’s birth. And I’m already grieving those soon to be terror’s next victims; since, as French President François Hollande jarringly warned, avenging Paris’ victims just birthed (yet another) “PITILESS” war.

As if gentle were somehow a method to employ in waging war.

Yes, I mourn for Paris. But I do so while weeping in shame at the deplorable supercilious judgment ensconced in Western reaction to it; for countless pitiable xenophobes and their endless vapid justifications; for arrogant commentary from politicians and their media mouthpieces with their embarrassing post-tragedy clamoring to exploit ignorant heartstrings for the appropriate victims; for the endless War of Terror — and the service members who somehow haven’t yet deduced that this would ALL END if they simply refused to fucking fight.

The fact is, grief on this scale is exhausting. And I’m very nearly out of tears.

So keep these victims around the globe in mind — every, single man, woman and child who has, who is, and who will suffer the maiming, horror, torture, and death that’s as necessary to war as those who take up arms — when you next excuse a politician’s stance on war, because the rest of his or her platform seems really promising.

Or, at least, seems the lesser of two evils.

And shake that flag from your social media profile; and your home; and your thoughts. Because as long as you wear just one flag, your attempt to stand with victims of terror is a most embarrassingly hollow solidarity, indeed.

America: Your Solidarity with Paris is Embarrassingly Misguided

I saw this taking rounds on fb

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Yea typical indian

So shaming the word scholars is also an indian thing? I see

Only happens on BBC and in india is giving the schoalr title to anyone who has no formal education....no formal education = scholars in the eyes of indians ...I see!

Its not an opinion but a fact! A scholar is a learned person not a hate spewing bitch who has no idea what he is talking about!

@waz @Horus

 

[Dubious]

@waz @Horus

I said BBC but you really were pushing it so I assumed it is common in india too coz you see no fault in addressing one who has no formal education as a scholar! And you arent the only indian who saw no problem with this so kinda assumed it really does happen in india....If it doesnt that why push it?

 

[waz]

Edit.

 

[zeetr]

stfu indiots

 

[AnABCD?]

Rednecks are kept in check by the American sheriffs. The British police keep their skinheads behind bars while giving undue freedom to Anjem. India locks Babu Bajrangis behind bars for life. The resistance comes from within the system. In Islamic societies, the resistance comes from without. Muslims don't take part in the war against Islamism/fanatical Islamists/fanatical Islamist radicals/whatever. US, UK, France, Russia, Israel, India do.

THAT is the difference.

@ bolded part. When is India going to patrol it's endemic rape problem? Females keep protesting but all they get for their trouble is lip service and continued late night gang rapes on buses. And then there's the Indian BJP/Shiv Sena going around and terrorizing anyone that eats cow meat. India is also conducting extensive terrorism within Pakistan via RAW activities in Balochistan, so who's addressing those concerns? You have a criminal as your Prime Minister who was even questioned about his past by the UK media and all he could give was some long winded b.s. answer.

 

[EnggineerShahjehan]

Self victimization complex so strong that death of 150 plus parisians is also a drama

Yes this age is of proxies war, drama is essential part in it. U being an indian will probably don't understand this, but if u remove ur biased glasses from eyes u will come to know muslims in Palestine, kashmir , burma, syria , iraq afghanistan and many more are just victims of all this shitty war on terrorism, muslims are been killed in large and yet muslims are blamed. Thanks Allah this world is not the end of life.