Over 80% of Chinese doctorate students in US intend to stay in US after graduation

[Bussard Ramjet]

The link to the stat is here:

https://www.nsf.gov/statistics/2018/nsf18304/data/tab53.pdf

@TaiShang

This is the stat that is most important because these days many Chinese students who go abroad are able to do so simply because they can afford to do so.

But real researchers still overwhelmingly prefer the US. But things are still changing from before. But much needs to be done. And China should not grow complacent over the statistics, that say 80% or more of the students abroad return.

In fact according to the bloomberg article cited below, there are more Chinese researchers in US tech companies working on AI, than there are total Chinese researchers!

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/arti...ing-visas-for-chinese-students-is-un-american

 

[siegecrossbow]

I think many Chinese students wish to stay in the US, but couldn't obtain their H-1B visa due to the restrictions imposed by the lottery system. Rumor has it that Trump will clamp down on not only H-1B visas but student visas as well. As a result, many Chinese students who wish to stay and contribute to the US economy couldn't.

 

[313ghazi]

China's loss is America's gain in this instance. Mind you i expect quite a few will work for a few years, gain experience and then consider moving back into more senior roles.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

@TaiShang

I have posted this specially for you, since you were the one who posted the rising number of Chinese returnees. But the real picture is complex.

Today, a lot of Chinese students abroad are going at a much younger age, and are funding themselves. Earlier only the very cream of the crop went abroad.

So, while the overall students returning number is high, the ones with highly advanced degrees and the cream are still majority staying abroad. The numbers are obviously changing in China's favor, but very slowly, and this talent needs to be directly tapped.

 

[seesonic]

@TaiShang

I have posted this specially for you, since you were the one who posted the rising number of Chinese returnees. But the real picture is complex.

Today, a lot of Chinese students abroad are going at a much younger age, and are funding themselves. Earlier only the very cream of the crop went abroad.

So, while the overall students returning number is high, the ones with highly advanced degrees and the cream are still majority staying abroad. The numbers are obviously changing in China's favor, but very slowly, and this talent needs to be directly tapped.

Yes indeed. These are real degrees holders of course they will be accepted by any first world nations.



Education in India, sadly, is not a pursuit for knowledge in the majority of the cases, it’s an activity for the students and a business for the institutions. You simply want to get on with it and move forward. It is supposed to be your key to the good, steady job.

Since there is no particular emotional attachment to this entire process of getting an education and acquiring knowledge or skill people very easily resort to unethical and unlawful activities in order to acquire fake diplomas and certificates from equally fake universities, colleges and diploma mills in India. Yes, you can shop around for a diploma, certificate or a degree with least effort.

There is no disgrace involved with cheating in examinations and there is such an atmosphere that in many cities and urban areas students think that cheating in examinations is as normal as appearing for examinations. The same attitude manifests in the acquirement of fake certificates, degrees and diplomas.

In most of the states where such malpractices are condoned and secretly encouraged (by families as well as the education mafia) people use fake certificates and diplomas to gain employment in the government sector where screening is not as stringent as in the private sector. We don’t mean to imply that since most of such people seek government jobs it is all right: we can see the effect the way various public departments function.

But now the problem is that people with fake certificates and diplomas are even applying for jobs in the private companies in increasingly greater numbers and there the impact can be devastating. Just imagine hiring an engineer or a software programmer who is qualified only on the paper he or she presents to you and otherwise he or she has not attended even a single class of the highly specialized stream. Even if you can throw the spurious employee out later on it may cost you lots of money and reputation. You need to find out the validity of the credentials before the person joins your organization as an employee.

Detecting fake certificates and qualification documents acquired from diploma mills and fake universities requires highly specialized equipment and know-how and they are available only with organizations and people who professionally handle such jobs. Wondering whether the employees your hiring are genuinely qualified or not? Partner with a reputed background screening company and they can easily find this out for you.

Link :

Fake Universities in India by University Grant Commission

Fake University in India by Bar Council of India

 

[艹艹艹]

China still trails far behind India.

 

[Nan Yang]

@TaiShang

I have posted this specially for you, since you were the one who posted the rising number of Chinese returnees. But the real picture is complex.

Today, a lot of Chinese students abroad are going at a much younger age, and are funding themselves. Earlier only the very cream of the crop went abroad.

So, while the overall students returning number is high, the ones with highly advanced degrees and the cream are still majority staying abroad. The numbers are obviously changing in China's favor, but very slowly, and this talent needs to be directly tapped.

Do you know how many Doctorate student graduate in China?

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Do you know how many Doctorate student graduate in China?

I absolutely do. But, do you know that most Chinese students prefer to do their PhD abroad in a good university?

China's cream of the crop goes abroad for a PhD. Do an experiment, and check the background of all of China's most prolific researchers. Almost all of them have their PhD abroad.

 

[Beast]

Many are patriotic. Staying back to create havoc and steal American technology. Foolish will only think they really want to stay in US?

Isn’t stealing and espionage claim by Americans about Chinese?

 

[nature is]

The stats refers to temporary visa. Student who graduated from accredited colleges are allowed to work in the US for up to 2 yrs (OPT) without having to apply for H1B, provided they can find employer. Most student would take advantage of it before returning, no biggie.

Overall more Chinese student chose to return. Unlike India students who actively applied for H1B visa.

https://movietvtechgeeks.com/understanding-h-1b-visa-program-donald-trump-concerned/

 

[seesonic]

The stats refers to temporary visa. Student who graduated from accredited colleges are allowed to work in the US for up to 2 yrs (OPT) without having to apply for H1B, provided they can find employer. Most student would take advantage of it before returning, no biggie.

Overall more Chinese student chose to return. Unlike India students who actively applied for H1B visa.

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Exactly, these chinese student graduated with a US degree recognized by US.

Of course US firm would wanna hire them. They are qualified.

 

[beijingwalker]

If anything, based on the past 2 decades experience, they contribute much more for China than US.

 

[faithfulguy]

The stats refers to temporary visa. Student who graduated from accredited colleges are allowed to work in the US for up to 2 yrs (OPT) without having to apply for H1B, provided they can find employer. Most student would take advantage of it before returning, no biggie.

Overall more Chinese student chose to return. Unlike India students who actively applied for H1B visa.

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H1B and similar programs are the foundation of the Indian economy. Which is a remittance factor driven economy.

 

[Dungeness]

Dont' hire Chinese: A job application email by Indian went viral in Australia.

This Ramesh dude was writing to INFO:

邮件内容如下：
已经整整一个礼拜了，但我还是没有收到你的反馈。
你把我放在候选名单的前部，那才是明智之举。要知道，我们印度社区和大企业都有关系的。以悉尼为例，所有大企业都有印度背景的高管。如果你推荐我去参加面试，我可以推荐你去其他大公司应聘高层职位。
如果你觉得我不够资格，那也没问题。请务必推荐其他印度人去参加面试，我们印度人和澳洲大公司都有关系的。如果你肯帮印度人，我们自然会给你带来好处。
再给你一个建议，不要把时间浪费在澳洲本地人身上。如果你给了他们一个机会，他们会觉得这是理所当然的，根本不会记得你的好。众所周知，我们印度人勤劳肯干，要得也少，你的老板肯定乐于雇佣印度人。
要记住，千万不要把机会给那些中国人、意大利人和黎巴嫩人。他们比澳洲本地人还要差，这些人工作态度散漫，还会欺负其他同事。千万不要雇佣这些人。

Ramesh

 

[terranMarine]

Any Ramesh here?