Over 4,500 soldiers killed along LoC in Pak firing since 2001

[Indus Falcon]

Bullshit. These people rape and kill Kashmiris everyday. RIH dead Indian so-called "Army" terrorists!

Kashmir is a separate issue. Kashmir is not about votes, but controlling it via murder, torture, and intimidation, i.e. a failed strategy. They think that they can control Kashmir, but with 700,000+ boots on the ground, who controls who?

 

[Mamluk]

Kashmir is a separate issue. Kashmir is not about votes, but controlling it via murder, torture, and intimidation, i.e. a failed strategy. They think that they can control Kashmir, but with 700,000+ boots on the ground, who controls who?

Point is these are the same people who kill Kashmiris.

So don't cry for their families. Indians don't cry for the families of Kashmiri vicitms.

 

[Areesh]

Haha, like always you are avoiding the question , can you legally ask your army any questions ? Like Indians can.

Do you have a RTI act?

Firstly they don't tell you anything , secondly you can not ask them any questions?

Then you are stupid enough to believe, since your army is not declaring its casualties, then there must be none!

We are done answering your questions kid. On every thread you come with same bunch of bullsh!t questions and then run away when ask question in return never to come back. This might be 5th or 6th thread like that.

RTI or no RTI. Army is criticized and questioned far strongly than it can ever be in India. There are many who are known for their harsh criticism of army something you can't even dream of in your joke of a democracy.

Firstly we can ask all questions and ISPR answers them all in its reports and press releases.

Secondly we have enough reasons to believe in our low military casualty. your cowardice being the biggest one of them. Our reasons are far stronger than whatever cr@p you have to believe in 29 September goody good tale of surgical strike.

And stop using all those colors. They won't make your words more worthy. they would remain rants of an Indian military fanboy anyways.

 

[Indus Falcon]

Haha, like always you are avoiding the question , can you legally ask your army any questions ? Like Indians can.

Do you have a RTI act?

Firstly they don't tell you anything , secondly you can not ask them any questions?

Then you are stupid enough to believe, since your army is not declaring its casualties, then there must be none!

So when will someone out of the 1+ billion people of your country exercise their right via the RTI act, and ask the IA & Govt. to provide evidence of so called "surgical strike"?

 

[Photon]

We are done answering your questions kid. On every thread you come with same bunch of bullsh!t questions and then run away when ask question in return never to come back. This might be 5th or 6th thread like that.

RTI or no RTI. Army is criticized and questioned far strongly than it can ever be in India. There are many who are known for their harsh criticism of army something you can't even dream of in your joke of a democracy.

Firstly we can ask all questions and ISPR answers them all in its reports and press releases.

Secondly we have enough reasons to believe in our low military casualty. your cowardice being the biggest one of them. Our reasons are far stronger than whatever cr@p you have to believe in 29 September goody good tale of surgical strike.

And stop using all those colors. They won't make your words more worthy. they would remain rants of an Indian military fanboy anyways.

Is it your weak grasp over english language that you do not understand that "criticism" is not equal to "information".

for eg. I can criticize you for being an idiot, because you believe that not even a single Pakistani army soldier has even been injured in past 5 weeks of cease fire violations.

You can criticize your army all you want, but that does not mean they respect your opinion enough to answer your questions. They tell you, only what they think is best for you to know.

On top of it, you can not legally ask your army any questions, like in India , we can.

And if you did not want to answer my questions, you should not have quoted me in the first place!!

So when will someone out of the 1+ billion people of your country exercise their right via the RTI act, and ask the IA & Govt. to provide evidence of so called "surgical strike"?

Government has already clarified on this, why it is not revealing this information, revealing information on surgical strikes (UAV feeds, satellite pictures etc).

Will lead to Pakistan getting it hands on sensitive data, reveal India's C4I capabilities, might become a road block in further cross border strikes, if and when required.

Plus it will push Pakistani into corner, they will have to react, in face of compelling evidence.

Target of these were Pakistani terrorists, not Pakistani state itself.

 

[SQ8]

Gentlemen, soldiers follow orders and are human beings. These men died for their state's illicit polices but as much as some of their actions deserve our ire; they do not warrant utter disrespect. There are good and bad soldiers in all military forces,yet soldiers always salute each other even if they are from bitter enemies.

We represent a defence site.. we can condemn their actions.. but we shan't celebrate the loss of life on either side.
Because we are Pakistanis, we need to be, we MUST be better than the trash that forms the majority of Indians on our site now, better than the trash that makes up their defence forums where even 1/100th of the same freedom of speech we allow is absent.

Our existence, our being better human beings is a continual embarrassment and burn them up to the point where they hurt their keys on their keyboards. Let us continue to do that and not stoop to their level.

See a derailment, a troll.. DO NOT REPLY.. report and let us handle it.. and handle it we do.

 

[Zarvan]

Gentlemen, soldiers follow orders and are human beings. These men died for their state's illicit polices but as much as some of their actions deserve our ire; they do not warrant utter disrespect. There are good and bad soldiers in all military forces,yet soldiers always salute each other even if they are from bitter enemies.

We represent a defence site.. we can condemn their actions.. but we shan't celebrate the loss of life on either side.
Because we are Pakistanis, we need to be, we MUST be better than the trash that forms the majority of Indians on our site now, better than the trash that makes up their defence forums where even 1/100th of the same freedom of speech we allow is absent.

Our existence, our being better human beings is a continual embarrassment and burn them up to the point where they hurt their keys on their keyboards. Let us continue to do that and not stoop to their level.

See a derailment, a troll.. DO NOT REPLY.. report and let us handle it.. and handle it we do.

Yes Sir I agree with you completely. Yes India is our enemy but these soldiers were doing there duty and as these soldiers are no more their matter is with ALLAH now. Ridiculing these dead will only degrade us as humans.

 

[saiyan0321]

Sad to be honest.

These were all cross border conflicts. Conflicts which could have been avoided had peace prevailed.

It is my personal opinion that the most useless form of conflict is cross border confrontations bcz there are absolutely no gains in it. No victors. You are fighting in that conflict not for land nor conquests nor objectives but to simply kill the enemy in cross border firing. There is no victory in such a conflict. Just blood and losses.

In a war there are objectives, targets, conquests, thoughts of liberations and thoughts of invasions and thoughts of defending homeland but in a cross border conflict there is nothing of this sort. There is simply shooting and blasting at each other with hopes of hitting somebody.

Perhaps I am wrong and don't understand but to me there is no gain in cross border firings and no victory.

In 30 years we will both be hundred years old in our formation.

Most probably by then we would have doubled the number of dead soldiers and the issue will be as stagnant as it is now.

If this doesn't jolt both sides up to solve this issue once and for all then nothing will.

Remember in our Islamic culture as well as Pakistani culture we do not celebrate death. Even of the greatest of enemies we do not celebrate their death for it is a solemn affair.

Well hopefully leaderships on both sides wake up and end this issue peacefully.

 

[Saleem]

4500 soldiers = 4500 families and countless dreams.. RIP soldiers.!!!

these are terrorists in occupation of kashmir, carrying out crimes against humanity and rape and plunder on innocent civilians...no sympathy for them..plus the "violations" are instigated by bharat not pakistan....dont buy into bharati propaganda......

From the same article:

"There is no conclusive evidence to prove either side's claims - the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle."

there is no iddle here kulbushan yadav and the multitude of "spies" [read terrorists] caught these days proves it--bharat is a terrorist state.......

dont forget ?surabjeet singh who was released by the terrorist facilitator nawaz and then went back to bharat to admit he did all the terror--if i remember correctly he eas convicted of a blast that killed at least 50 innocents ,.......but then scum like nawaz and his clan have no shame or conscience.

 

[dilpakistani]

that's a peacetime casualty count which is very unfortunate... no love or respect for Indians but soldiers of any nation are special sons and deserve nothing less than high respect for their noble profession... We are a nation afflicted with a decade long war and lost more than 16000 of our sons in those flames of war therefore i can only feel sorry for those lost soldiers ... it was mostly peacetime between our countries.. It shouldn't have been that high for either side...

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

It's pathetic, how politicians waste precious human lives.Simply pathetic.


Thats only part of the story. The other part is how to keep the IB & LOC burning, in order to scare the normal Indian man of the Pakistani boogeyman, and in return secure votes.

If that is the objective, they certainly are doing a poor job.

 

[chauvinisticpatriot]

Indian army always hide their casualties,their propaganda media is not free to ask. they got their 21 soldiers in recently claimed surgical strikes in which only 2 pakistani soldiers were martyred

 

[IceCold]

If Indians are admitting 4500 than rest assured the numbers are much higher. On another note Indians should realise the cost of heating up the LOC and IB just to stroke bruise egos and also the reluctance on India's part to solve the Kashmir dispute.
We are not asking to hand over Kashmir to Pakistan, our stance is to hold referendum as promised and just to be clear that also means in our part of Kashmir as well.
Modi is a maniac who sole agenda is to create chaos in the region in an attempt to show how powerful of a man he really is. In reality you dont fight a war with another nuclear power because there will be no winners. No matter how many jets India buy, at the end of the day Pakistan will maintain the minimum credible deterrence which means that India will always have to factor the same in case it decides for a misadventure.
So than why do we quibble and not solve our disputes like mature nations do. Its a shame.

 

[Mugwop]

4500 soldiers who were killed doesn't bother them but they are more concerned with Pakistani casualties

 

[noksss]

This reports also reveals that Indian army has hided its casualties at LoC


How stupid that report also rejects your claim of surgical strikes and says only cross border raid was attempted

Then how come this is published now