'Over 10 million Karachiites missing in census': MQM-P, PSP reject results

[mzain]

Karachi is more spread out than Lahore, it takes you two hours to drive from one end of Karachi to the other end when there is no other vehicle on the road...Korangi, Malir, New Abadi are like Sialkot and shekhupura for Lahore.

I agree with you. it take too much time to travel from one end of to the other if don't count new DHA and Bahriah town. Apart from that Karachi has too many High-rise apartments that contain 10s of families in 100 sq feet area that you can not even compare to Lahore.

 

[defence_analyst]

Karachi is more spread out than Lahore, it takes you two hours to drive from one end of Karachi to the other end when there is no other vehicle on the road...Korangi, Malir, New Abadi are like Sialkot and shekhupura for Lahore.

Rural Karachi population have grown 275% compared to urban 60%. Rural barren land have much potential to grow in future and Sindh gov should declare it urban like punjab did in case of declaring all of Lahore district urban. Main city not as much as its already densely populated and growth will be slower depending on how many high rises apartments are build.

 

[Hell hound]

And ladies if any please don't read my comment beyond this point.

let them reed it too. how long are we going to shield girls and guys from each other's anatomy(i.e girls shouldn't talk about sperms or boys don't need to know any thing about periods ) girls should be involved in such discussions so they can equally play their part in population control

 

[LeGenD]

Agreed Karachi is much more bigger than anyone even think of it has never ending land and people the census report is rubbish if not I'm sure Karachi is more than 3 carore people living here no offence but Lahore can never be closer in numbers in lake

Even Hyderabad census i doubt it has grown 100 times in last ten years 30 new socities buildings have grown but census show 2 percent increase

Agreed Karachi is much more bigger than anyone even think of it has never ending land and people the census report is rubbish if not I'm sure Karachi is more than 3 carore people living here no offence but Lahore can never be closer in numbers in lake

Even Hyderabad census i doubt it has grown 100 times in last ten years 30 new socities buildings have grown but census show 2 percent increase

And we are supposed to trust your imagination over actual data?

Have you been to Lahore recently? Please pay a visit and see for yourself how much it has grown.

 

[Sucha Kuggu]

'Over 10 million Karachiites missing in census': MQM-P, PSP reject results

Both parties say province’s population has deliberately been shown less than what it actually is

MQM-Pakistan leader Farooq Sattar. PHOTO: EXPRESS

The Muttahida Qaumi Movement-Pakistan (MQM-P) and the Pak Sarzameen Party (PSP) have rejected the results of the census carried out earlier this year, describing them as ‘fake’.

Speaking at the Karachi Press Club on Tuesday, the MQM-P leader Dr Farooq Sattar said injustice with Karachi was tantamount to meting out injustice to the entire country.

He added that the census results were not only alarming for the MQM-P but for every person living in Sindh. “The province’s population has deliberately been shown less than what it actually is,” he claimed.

“The people living in Sindh are being treated as second-class citizens,” the MQM-P leader maintained. “They are being denied their legal and financial rights.”

Reiterating that Mohajirs were being pushed against the wall, Sattar said his party would approach the Supreme Court against the “misrepresented” census results.

PPP rejects census, announces holding of APC

The PSP too rejected the results, describing them as a ‘major administrative negligence’.

“People across Pakistan – from Karachi to Wana – have rejected the results, PSP leader Advocate Anis Khan said at a press conference at the party’s headquarters on Tuesday.

He quoted the World Bank and the World Health Organisation’s estimates which place Karachi’s population at around 23 million against the figure of 14.9 million in the new census.

“Leaving out 10 million people in the census is tantamount to depriving Sindhis, Balochs, Punjabis, Pashtuns, Mohajirs and all people of all other ethnicities living in this city of their rights,” he added.

He said all over the world people moved to urban centers from rural areas but the census results indicate the opposite.

“The population of Karachi [according to the census results] increased only 63 per cent in the previous 19 years while that of Lahore dramatically soared by 116 per cent. This is incomprehensible,” he remarked..
He urged the military to take into consideration the reservations expressed by the people of Karachi, FATA and Balochistan on the census results and also requested political parties to urgently deal with this matter.

On Monday, the Pakistan People’s Party, the ruling party in Sindh, had also rejected the census results. In a policy statement, the Sindh government announced that it would convene an all parties conference on the issue.

Parliamentary Minister Nisar Ahmed Khuhro, in the statement, said a conspiracy was hatched by the federal government to show that the population of Sindh was less what it really was. “This aims at reducing Sindh’s share in the National Finance Commission as well as national and provincial assembly seats and job quota in federal government services,” he said, adding that the PPP government in Sindh will not accept this conspiracy.

Earlier, nationalist parties in Sindh too had claimed that the province’s population had deliberately been shown less to gain political mileage.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1494020/mqm-p-rejects-fake-census-results/

The census was performed by govt employees and obviously loyal to MQM or PPP the two main parties in Sindh. This means they dont trust them or the Army which did not let their supporters what the both parties wanted from their census staff. Specially MQM has very regular excuse for their bad governance in Karachi ... "Ikhtiyarat ki kami" or "Humy kam nahee diya gia"

 

[mzain]

The census was performed by govt employees and obviously loyal to MQM or PPP the two main parties in Sindh. This means they dont trust them or the Army which did not let their supporters what the both parties wanted from their census staff.

Actual data do not accumulate by them and it does not have any value who collect it as far as who have right to alter them.

 

[Solomon2]

Lets have an adult talk on the real problem. I hope members don't mistake it otherwise.

Fifty years ago Pakistan did have family planning programs, including birth control. This changed after the 1971 partition and the 1973 oil-price explosion that made Arab rulers super-rich: after 1971 Pakistan had lost its main region of foreign-currency earnings and by 1974 the Arab oil sheikhs desired complaisant, non-Arab manpower as servants, workers to build infrastructure, and soldiers for their burgeoning militaries. Cheap, competitive manpower was the need of the day, even under "bread, clothing, and shelter" Z. A. Bhutto. So the family planning programs were eliminated.

 

[defence_analyst]

Actual data do not accumulate by them and it does not have any value who collect it as far as who have right to alter them.

Actual data is collected by locals and army soldiers and then sent to PBS in Islamabad. Every form have signature and CNIC of stuff who collected and verified with local administrators. Only people who can change data are locals and thats why army was needed. There are many videos of PBS Habibulla Khattak on methodology census and how data is collected and by who.

PBS is federal institution and quota system ensure representation from every corner. And since Sindh have urban/rural quota, it mean PBS by default will have people from Karachi.

from 21:00 min

 

[Mav3rick]

Lol, just bc census results are not according to the fantasies of some idiots, now entire exercise is fake?

The officials have explained the reason for Karachi's "low" numbers. In Lahore, all the rural areas are also included in population count under the "Lahore city".....however, Karachi's adjacent rural districts are not counted under "Karachi city population"....hence you have the disparity in pop growth numbers for Lahore and Karachi. It's very simple to understand but they just don't want to.

If you add all rural districts and small adjacent populations under one big category I.e Karachi---then you'd have a near 20 million population instead of the current 14 million.

People understand that, what people don't understand is how can the population still be close to 17 Million when it is well over 25 million according to neutral surveys and estimations.

Karachi is the city where entire Pakistan migrates to, that is on top of regular city population grown. Karachi has always been the largest and most populated city and to say that Lahore is almost 80% of Karachi's population is nothing but a very sick ploy to further take away from Karachi of the meager share of resources that she gets anyway!

 

[defence_analyst]

People understand that, what people don't understand is how can the population still be close to 17 Million when it is well over 25 million according to neutral surveys and estimations.

Karachi is the city where entire Pakistan migrates to, that is on top of regular city population grown. Karachi has always been the largest and most populated city and to say that Lahore is almost 80% of Karachi's population is nothing but a very sick ploy to further take away from Karachi of the meager share of resources that she gets anyway!

No one migrate to Karachi, stop this propaganda of anecdotal evidence and wishful thinking. People move out of Karachi thanks to its situation. There are only 7m CNIC/voters in Karachi. In punjab there are 55m CNIC/voters in population of 110m. Karachi where you can't move around freely without valid CNIC unlike in rural areas.

Final figure for Karachi will be 14m when duplicate CNIC forms and illegals are taken out.

 

[Mav3rick]

Keep in mind census was done by provincial governments and local workers with army support to verify. Are you telling me Karachi people on purpose didn't count their own city population? If anything there is chances of over counting, not lower. Like some of Sindh districts huge increase in population doesn't make sense. Provided PBS can present proof with Nadra verification.

Are you attempting to fool everyone or just this confused yourself? The census was conducted by the Federal government with federal employees. Results were also counted and compiled by a Federal organization. And there goes all your claims.

Karachi CNIC holders are 7m in city of 25m. That's lower ratio then rural FATA, Balochistan. 25m population would also imply muhajir now make 25% of population in best case scenario, only idiot will believe this is the case. You don't need to be from Karachi to know muhajirs are still dominant politically.

Where did you get the figure of 7 Million? Even if correct, you may not realize that CNIC is issued only to 18+ so what about the under 18 population? What about those who are over 60 and don't bother renewing their CNIC? What about those who live in Karachi but have their domicile and/or CNIC from Punjab, Baluchistan or KPK, for obvious reasons?

Only province losing out in seats and NFC after this census is punjab. This tell provinces that there is no need for family planning, keep producing as many kids as possible.

And how do you figure that? With a population that is almost 60% of entire country, Punjab is set to retain the largest share of NFC and Federal seats. If anything, it's share will grow larger.

I don't know how can so called MQM-Pakistan forget their own crimes after disowning their father. Karachi have not seen much migration, even Sindhis are not migrating there let alone people from other provinces. Target killings , ethnic killings, insurgency, law & order, rangers etc

People have moved out of Karachi and it shows. No one is save in Karachi.

And out comes the racist. Wasn't too hard to detect that anyway. I thought you were just confused, but I see you have an agenda.

All of Karachi population is 16m if rural areas are also included. Overall Lahore population has grown by 74% and Karachi 63% since 1998. 116% growth for Lahore district isn't true.

To any sane person, Karachi has a population of 25 to 30 million if not more.

According to Dr. Shahid Masood if there is disagreement on census the election could be delayed. Here is the thing. If you want to play dirty politics, fine. But, DAMN IT, this data is needed for proper planning and development of this nation. DON'T PLAY DIRTY WITH NATION'S DEVELOPMENT. Without proper data how can we plan education, transportation, sanitation etc? This pettiness is what holds us back as a nation. WHEN WILL WE RISE ABOVE THIS FOR THE BETTERMENT OF PAKISTAN? This is my question for everyone.

If by the above you mean Karachi should roll over......yet again, then what is the point of these exercises anyway? If you are sincerely asking a question than be advised that Karachi, a city of 25 to 30 million, is in severe need of funds. There is no water, roads are in extremely poor condition, sanitation is non existent, water and sewerage treatment is a fraction of what it should be and then there are electricity failures which are a regular feature. A city of this magnitude and importance should not be facing these issues.

Even if rural areas around Karachi are added even than population reaches 16 Million. MQM always had lied about population and made fake voter lists to get more seats and more money

In your hatred for MQM, you are becoming an enemy of Karachi.

Stop being a racist and a hate monger.

Why do they always do this, Its always Karachi who is missing millions in census and its always urdu speaker who are missing from it.

Ever though if it is actually true? Lahore's population grows a whopping 110% and Karachi grows a mere 60%????? How can that make sense to any sane person is just beyond me.....unless one has never been out of Lahore.

 

[defence_analyst]

Are you attempting to fool everyone or just this confused yourself? The census was conducted by the Federal government with federal employees. Results were also counted and compiled by a Federal organization. And there goes all your claims.

Local teachers, police etc are not federal employees. Watch this video from 21:00 before MQM agenda driven propaganda. Now if you are going to question army then what is left then. We are not going to invite Indian army to count Karachi population, wake up.

Where did you get the figure of 7 Million? Even if correct, you may not realize that CNIC is issued only to 18+ so what about the under 18 population? What about those who are over 60 and don't bother renewing their CNIC? What about those who live in Karachi but have their domicile and/or CNIC from Punjab, Baluchistan or KPK, for obvious reasons?

Only to 18+ but we can get rough idea. Are you telling punjab population is 200m because 55m have CNIC? Why 10 million punjabis, pathans and baloch have their domicile registered in their own villages when they can register in Karachi and make MQM and its mini factions non-entity. Are you telling me muhajirs now make 20% of population? Good luck with that convincing anyone.

And how do you figure that? With a population that is almost 60% of entire country, Punjab is set to retain the largest share of NFC and Federal seats. If anything, it's share will grow larger.

Punjab share in population was decreased by almost 3% to 52.95%. It will loss out in NFC and seats but not to Karachi but to KP and Balochistan.

And out comes the racist. Wasn't too hard to detect that anyway. I thought you were just confused, but I see you have an agenda.

Pointing out law& order situation, target killings, ethnic killings etc isn't racism but facts. Remove rangers and it will go back to same as it was in last 20 years.

To any sane person, Karachi has a population of 25 to 30 million if not more.

And muhajirs now 20% of population, tell me which sane person believe that.

 

[Mav3rick]

I just understand what the fuss is all about even 14.9 million is huge for a city like Karachi.

City's financial share and seats in the National Assembly are determined by the population. The bigger the population, the more NA seats and bigger financial share.

That is the reason Punjab has to state lower figures for Sindh in general.

 

[CriticalThought]

If by the above you mean Karachi should roll over......yet again, then what is the point of these exercises anyway? If you are sincerely asking a question than be advised that Karachi, a city of 25 to 30 million, is in severe need of funds. There is no water, roads are in extremely poor condition, sanitation is non existent, water and sewerage treatment is a fraction of what it should be and then there are electricity failures which are a regular feature. A city of this magnitude and importance should not be facing these issues.
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No, I don't mean Karachi should roll over. I mean, the establishment MUST ensure impartial conduct of census, such that no party can claim it is rigged or flawed.

 

[defence_analyst]

City's financial share and seats in the National Assembly are determined by the population. The bigger the population, the more NA seats and bigger financial share.

That is the reason Punjab has to state lower figures for Sindh in general.

Sindh growth 2.41 vs punjab 2.13, they did very poor job and in process loss out in NFC and seats. Punjab growth could be showed as 2.4% and no one will question it. Only problem here is Karachi population isn't anywhere near half of Sindh population as many MQM factions wished.