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Outrage as Indian judge calls alleged rape victim 'unbecoming'

@TheGreatMaratha The thing I as saying yesterday. Probability is stupid, court should work on evidence only.
And when did I mention evidence should not be taken into account? When there is insufficient evidence, probability is one of the factors that you can use. Or are you trying to directly challenge how courts function and how judges can give decisions?

The article that I was talking about is totally different from this case. That article was clearly shady. This article has proper petitions and all attached to it.

Coming back to this case, while the decision given by the judge is debatable, his remarks about how women should behave after a rape were certainly tasteless and uncalled for. He could've just mentioned the unconventional behavior of the woman without going into details about general women behaviors after rape.

what you might not see, for obvious reasons, is that a Dikshit saying such things is the most objectionable part; a Dikshit is a Brahmin, and this smacks of Brahminical norm-setting.
And you assuming things based on name smacks of casteism. Can you please enlighten on the correlation over here? Do we really need to start bringing caste in these types of things?
 
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I wonder if this judge ever heard this

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@Shantanu_Left

Please read through the discussion; what you said, hinting at a got-up case, and hinting that the woman concerned might have been trying to redress the encounter in her own favour for ulterior motives, is a separate issue. It might well be so, but the judge had no business saying what he did. If you have the patience, please do read the posts by saiyan, explaining - far better than I could - why.
 
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@Shantanu_Left

Please read through the discussion; what you said, hinting at a got-up case, and hinting that the woman concerned might have been trying to redress the encounter in her own favour for ulterior motives, is a separate issue. It might well be so, but the judge had no business saying what he did. If you have the patience, please do read the posts by saiyan, explaining - far better than I could - why.

@saiyan0321 is spot on. Of course, I didn't say I understood the case very well. But it very much looks like ulterior motives: vengeful women in India do it all the time, they try to frame affluent men belonging to good families.

Yes, the judge's moral pontifications might be an annoyance to modern SJW's but even there, I agree with the judge somewhat. A good woman should really know her limits, and if she's fornicating freely, then she should learn to accept the consequences that come with that. This particular woman is no better than a common whore, and I have a feeling that money was involved somewhere. She didn't get paid enough.

Sorry I am a bit traditional in some areas. All sluts deserve to be shamed because they lead good men astray.
 
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And when did I mention evidence should not be taken into account? When there is insufficient evidence, probability is one of the factors that you can use. Or are you trying to directly challenge how courts function and how judges can give decisions?

The article that I was talking about is totally different from this case. That article was clearly shady. This article has proper petitions and all attached to it.

Coming back to this case, while the decision given by the judge is debatable, his remarks about how women should behave after a rape were certainly tasteless and uncalled for. He could've just mentioned the unconventional behavior of the woman without going into details about general women behaviors after rape.



And you assuming things based on name smacks of casteism. Can you please enlighten on the correlation over here? Do we really need to start bringing caste in these types of things?

Yes, certainly, we need to look at the background of the judge who makes such socially judgmental remarks. It is far more likely that he was speaking from his own social background than that it was a random reflection.

Why do you think I am assuming things? What do you think is a Dikshit? Are we being coy with each other?
 
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Yes, certainly, we need to look at the background of the judge who makes such socially judgmental remarks. It is far more likely that he was speaking from his own social background than that it was a random reflection.
Ok, so what if he had been a Kshatriya/Vaishya/Dalit? What would have your opinion been? Looking at the background of a person, especially that of a judge is unwarranted. You don't need to bring your caste lens everywhere.
Why do you think I am assuming things? What do you think is a Dikshit? Are we being coy with each other?
I have zero idea about who Dikshit is and thanks to you, now I know that Dikshit is a Brahmin.
 
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@saiyan0321 is spot on. Of course, I didn't say I understood the case very well. But it very much looks like ulterior motives: vengeful women in India do it all the time, they try to frame affluent men belonging to good families.

Yes, the judge's moral pontifications might be an annoyance to modern SJW's but even there, I agree with the judge somewhat. A good woman should really know her limits, and if she's fornicating freely, then she should learn to accept the consequences that come with that. This particular woman is no better than a common whore, and I have a feeling that money was involved somewhere. She didn't get paid enough.

Sorry I am a bit traditional in some areas. All sluts deserve to be shamed because they lead good men astray.

Here's where we differ. If the Mods agree, I am happy to discuss this threadbare with you, after finishing the really nice thread that I am committed to.
  1. I question your suggesting that there are limits for 'good' women, meaning that you have some objective critieria for judging good and bad.
  2. I don't see why fornicating freely should render a person out of law, and why the provisions of the law should not apply to her and to her partner.
  3. I don't see what legal disability a 'common whore' has, and what constitutes a 'special whore', or an uncommon one.
  4. I don't see what right you have to cast insinuations about a woman who fornicates freely, just because you don't agree that you, as a male, can do that, but she can't. Nothing personal, please don't get upset.
  5. I don't see how the quantum of payment comes into the picture in a bail application, or how it comes into a determination of rape. I hope that you agree that a woman has the right to say no at any point in the interaction.
  6. I don't see what tradition you are upholding here. Would you care to define what is good tradition and what is bad tradition? Would you endorse widow burning, or stoning a woman to death for adultery? Where would you draw the line, and who would have to empower you to draw lines between this regressive practice and that? And please don't answer by asking me to hypothetically put women of my family into a similar situation, because that chestnut has been burnt for too many centuries now.
There is something fundamentally questionable in your attitude towards women. I hope you land up in Scandinavia, in Sweden, in particular, and find yourself in a relationship where you are not permitted to pee upright, but have to do that sitting down, as some traditions of the eastern world demand, and some social traditions under forming in the western world are beginning to seek.

Happy 4th of July.

Ok, so what if he had been a Kshatriya/Vaishya/Dalit? What would have your opinion been? Looking at the background of a person, especially that of a judge is unwarranted. You don't need to bring your caste lens everywhere.

Why not? The judge brought it in, not I.

I have zero idea about who Dikshit is and thanks to you, now I know that Dikshit is a Brahmin.

Isn't that progress? Now you can link his grotesque behaviour direct to its driving spring.

Ok, so what if he had been a Kshatriya/Vaishya/Dalit? What would have your opinion been? Looking at the background of a person, especially that of a judge is unwarranted. You don't need to bring your caste lens everywhere.

Let me answer seriatim:
  1. If he had been a Kshatriya or a Vaishya, he might have said the same thing.
  2. If he had been a Dalit, he probably would not.
  3. Both these are speculative; he is neither a Kshatriya, nor a Vaishya, nor a Dalit, so your question is as hypothetical and speculative, just as much as my answers are hypothetical and speculative.
  4. Why should looking at the background of a judge be unwarranted? Are you saying that their social background does not influence their thinking?
 
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Here's where we differ. If the Mods agree, I am happy to discuss this threadbare with you, after finishing the really nice thread that I am committed to.
  1. I question your suggesting that there are limits for 'good' women, meaning that you have some objective critieria for judging good and bad.
  2. I don't see why fornicating freely should render a person out of law, and why the provisions of the law should not apply to her and to her partner.
  3. I don't see what legal disability a 'common whore' has, and what constitutes a 'special whore', or an uncommon one.
  4. I don't see what right you have to cast insinuations about a woman who fornicates freely, just because you don't agree that you, as a male, can do that, but she can't. Nothing personal, please don't get upset.
  5. I don't see how the quantum of payment comes into the picture in a bail application, or how it comes into a determination of rape. I hope that you agree that a woman has the right to say no at any point in the interaction.
  6. I don't see what tradition you are upholding here. Would you care to define what is good tradition and what is bad tradition? Would you endorse widow burning, or stoning a woman to death for adultery? Where would you draw the line, and who would have to empower you to draw lines between this regressive practice and that? And please don't answer by asking me to hypothetically put women of my family into a similar situation, because that chestnut has been burnt for too many centuries now.
There is something fundamentally questionable in your attitude towards women. I hope you land up in Scandinavia, in Sweden, in particular, and find yourself in a relationship where you are not permitted to pee upright, but have to do that sitting down, as some traditions of the eastern world demand, and some social traditions under forming in the western world are beginning to seek.

Happy 4th of July.



Why not? The judge brought it in, not I.



Isn't that progress? Now you can link his grotesque behaviour direct to its driving spring.



Let me answer seriatim:
  1. If he had been a Kshatriya or a Vaishya, he might have said the same thing.
  2. If he had been a Dalit, he probably would not.
  3. Both these are speculative; he is neither a Kshatriya, nor a Vaishya, nor a Dalit, so your question is as hypothetical and speculative, just as much as my answers are hypothetical and speculative.
  4. Why should looking at the background of a judge be unwarranted? Are you saying that their social background does not influence their thinking?
plz reply to my post too
 
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Is the optometrician blind because he checks people's eyesight?



No.

Just that this Mr. Dikshit, or Dikshit J., may have had his social perspectives formed by being a Brahmin.

Any more incisive questions? :enjoy:



Which one?
And what about the justification for Kshatriyas, Vaishyas and Dalits?
 
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Here's where we differ. If the Mods agree, I am happy to discuss this threadbare with you, after finishing the really nice thread that I am committed to.

I don't really like to discuss these topics (I have better things to do then discuss what sluts really want) as it gets everyone's panties in a bunch for no reason. Where have I been wrong? Well you tried to raise some points so let me answer them.

I question your suggesting that there are limits for 'good' women, meaning that you have some objective critieria for judging good and bad.

Yes, there are rules that all good women should adhere to. I didn't make them, and they exist in all countries including the United States. Sure there are a few loud feminists who make the ridiculous argument that all sex is rape, and there are the men who enable these loudmouths.

But a good woman shouldn't cross a certain line. Going to a man's room in a hotel alone, and spending whole night there definitely falls under that category. If she's been fornicating of her own free will, then she should not cry "rape rape" at the same time, just because she got paid less or whatever reason (there's definitely some reason. The women never accuse you of false rape without a personal reason). No legal jurisdiction will buy her cockamamie stories.

I don't see why fornicating freely should render a person out of law, and why the provisions of the law should not apply to her and to her partner.
When did I say that? You're putting words in my mouth. Even a woman who's fornicating deserves legal recourse if she had been seriously injured by a violent man. Or if it was under coercion, e.g. a male boss forcing a female employee for sexual favours, and she stands at risk of losing her job for not acceding to his demands.

Every case is different. I personally judge women who cavort freely very poorly, but I don't mix my views with the legal system.

I don't see what legal disability a 'common whore' has, and what constitutes a 'special whore', or an uncommon one.

A whore is a whore. It was just an expression. She behaves like a sex-hungry slut, and later accuses the man of false rape. She's the lowest of creatures. But I never said that should make her suffer legal disabilities. The point is, she can't prove her imaginary rape stories in a court of law. End of story.

I don't see what right you have to cast insinuations about a woman who fornicates freely, just because you don't agree that you, as a male, can do that, but she can't. Nothing personal, please don't get upset.

It's OK. See above, a good woman should always know her limits, and not act like a cheap slut. If she is one, she is no better than a common whore. Period.

I don't see how the quantum of payment comes into the picture in a bail application, or how it comes into a determination of rape. I hope that you agree that a woman has the right to say no at any point in the interaction.

It's most likely an educated guess, maybe money was involved. But there may be other motives. Again, see above. No woman makes a false rape accusation unless she wants to extract something from the male victim.

don't see what tradition you are upholding here. Would you care to define what is good tradition and what is bad tradition? Would you endorse widow burning, or stoning a woman to death for adultery? Where would you draw the line, and who would have to empower you to draw lines between this regressive practice and that? And please don't answer by asking me to hypothetically put women of my family into a similar situation, because that chestnut has been burnt for too many centuries now.
Now this is where i have lost you completely. When did I say that I would endorse widow burning, or stoning a woman to death for adultery? I only said if a woman acts like a cheap slut, then she is a disgusting person, and deserves to be condemned for her cavorting. That doesn't mean I don't want her to be legally protected.


There is something fundamentally questionable in your attitude towards women. I hope you land up in Scandinavia, in Sweden, in particular, and find yourself in a relationship where you are not permitted to pee upright, but have to do that sitting down, as some traditions of the eastern world demand, and some social traditions under forming in the western world are beginning to seek.
I have been to Scandinavia. It's a hell-hole of uppity women, bra-burning lesbians, and whipped men with zero trace of masculinity. If I end up living there, I would prefer to be hanged for my views than become like them.


Happy 4th of July.
I'm not an American.
 
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