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Ousted Prime Minister Imran Khan Arrested: News and Discussion

Is Martial Law/Emergency a real possibility after IK arrest?

  • Yes

    Votes: 145 63.6%
  • No

    Votes: 83 36.4%

  • Total voters
    228
  • Poll closed .
Let me tell you the other side of the story....

COAS seriously believes that IK closed his eyes on the corruption that involved his family. When he brought the evidences against some of the people who IK still hold very dear and near to him, IK had a very bitter exchange with him and later he asked Bajwa to change this guy.. that was just the beginning.

He also believes that the cypher and VONC were a coincidence.. the VONC preps were going on before cypher came to light.. and that IK took wrong benefit of the cypher.. Although establishment had a role in making VONC successful, the decision was only establishment's with no role of cypher that coincidently arrived around the same time.

He also believes that due to cypher, people started believing that Pak Army serves the interests of the US (which in his opinion is not true)..

He also believes that the cypher story was the main reason of IK's soaring popularity.. otherwise, economy was mishandled by the last govt.

After the assassination attempt, some people informed IK about the role of ISI.. which COAS believes that it was not true. Maj Gen Faisal Naseer was not involved in any assassination attempt.. and this was communicated to IK that his cypher story plus his "supposedly" false allegation is further increasing the hate among people against the Army.. He was first requested not to name and shame Faisal Naseer... but he didn't stop because he believed his sources more than the guarantees given to him by the establishment.

COAS also believes that Imran Khan did not want him to assume the charge of a chief.. and that he wanted Faiz Hameed who according to COAS served IK more and never informed him about his family's corruption..

After he became the COAS, he, through his channel Mr Parvez Ilahi, requested IK to not dissolve assemblies.. The people were not threatened and that's why Parvez Ilahi became the CM... this was also made clear to him that establishment was not managing things in Punjab and that IK was requested to not create chaos which is not acceptable to anyone.. IK rejected their demands and he dissolved the assemblies of Punjab and KPK..

That became the point of no return.. although a few times again it was requested and assured that ISI was not involved in his assassination attempt, or even Arshad Sharif's assassination, but Khan believed his sources more than anyone else.

It is now at the point of no return for both parties.. establishment has lost all the respect among public, while IK's popularity is all time high..

Who is correct... IK's sources or establishment's claims.. we will only know on the judgement day...

By the way, COAS is not a fan of sharifs.. he is a first hand witness of their corruption.... remember he was the ISI chief during Panama case.... the only point that has made him an enemy of IK is IK's bayania that has destroyed the reputation of Pakistan Army..

Please don't judge me when I am writing this.. just presenting the other side that I got to know from some well informed people.
I have heard a alternate theory in last few days

America is stuck in Ukraine, supporting them against Russian Invasion. Weapon stockpiles of Europe and America are drying out, not withstanding the money minting done by US MIC who take funds from European allies to supply weapons to Ukraine on behalf of the 'alliance'.

In the backdrop of above scenario in world, which has affected every country on planet, there is said to be a silent agreement between US and China. China will keep Putin on leash to not go to town on Ukraine, and in return US will make noises but not hamper China's progress on certain key fronts like Taiwan and India.

Why should China accept a future agreement, which can always be reneged by US later? Cause it helps their own goals, of keeping Russian weak and dependent on them if not the other goals of theirs which in itself is a invaluable gain for them to make it to the top with no challenger but US.

Proponents of this theory, point to few recent incidents where the Wagner group threw a tantrum at Putin, and then the silence of Putin even when Kremlin was attacked. In a way this theory doesn't sound outlandish, and this war going on for few more years is invaluable for Chinese. A weakened and dependent Russia, a war weary West will let the Chinese get what they want strategically even if it involves kinetic means (vis a vis Taiwan and India).

Pakistan becomes important in this calculus, as it helps in pinning down India as a second front to worry about.

The Chinese never interfere in another country's internal matters, and their representatives speak very very carefully in diplomatic speak. So when the Chinese official who visited Pakistan says that they (Pakistan) should get their act together when it comes to internal stability, barely one or two days before chaos started in Pakistan, it can't be wished away as friendly suggestion.

Few more recent developing events, I have been noticing to support this argument. UAE is in Western camp as many will agree, and Mr Munir has not shown any interest in their mediation. Now the Saudis are in Pakistan to negotiate a deal, and their recent bonhomie with China is World renowned.

Given all the above, it is possible that Mr Munir has his hands tied down irrespective of his intentions for the country and Mr Khan. It also explains in a way, as to why a West that screams at the top of its lungs, when there is any minute supposed abuse of human rights, keeps quiet of what is happening in your country.

The Question is at what cost will Mr Munir achieve this internal stability, and what will these external entities extract as their rightful pound of flesh. I am sure even if West is letting the Chinese to have a run in Pakistan for now, being masters of double gaming they have options open to tilt the tables on Chinese at any point their hands are free of Ukraine issue.

I am only writing this, to see if anyone might agree with this theory and some of my observations.
 
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Where is the bullshit forum members, social media, twitter and reports women in Punjab and KPK being raped and sexually harassed is pure LIE. No, neither Police, Nor Military Establishment or any ISI member did anything wrong like this. Stop this lie :

Here are Tayyaba Raja and Sanam Javed Khan both arrested few days ago PTI , they are together and fine, yes violently captured but no where there is sign of torture or rape these women said today in a police van:


Imran Khan and PTI should get their senses checked up and stop saying reports this and that and repeated nonsensical propaganda. Do not make FACTS as Propaganda tools. Using women as a tool to exaggerate opinions. Donot get carried away.
 
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You want even more hilarious one??

Mrs Safdar attacking the SC to save the constitution..

The entire country ulat palat hochuka.. taji khikhar kia cheez hai

A woman who's convicted father is in London, and who herself is contesting elections after conviction, is taunting IK for being a ladla of the judiciary.

Where is the bullshit forum members, social media, twitter and reports women in Punjab and KPK being raped and sexually harassed is pure LIE.

Who said they were raped and sexually harassed?
 
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It was an entrapment so it was bound to happen.. even if PTI workers hadn't destroyed, the planted guys would have destroyed the CC house.
Knowing what we know now, he would have then given arrest with a video message, just like on his assassination attempt.
I don’t completely buy it was all a conspiracy. COAS is literally sacrificing his two top generals (cc Lahore and FC head as well). The rush on the streets was due to PTI. But its easier said then done. We can only control what IK can or should do now. It will involve him going to jail, but let the govt break court orders so he can gain the high moral ground.
For party - its not an easy road. They will need to plan and adapt to carry the journey and clearly include in agenda fo reform institutions (all of them!). AZ and NS - no one lives forever. It is the party and ideology that should win.
PTI may sacrifice and lose some leaders, some workers may lay low. But the one who needs time is PTI. 6 months at least. Negotiate a truce and let them do what they want with constitution - as I said before the biggest help is PDM performance.
 
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Jango, this guy Mirzali Khan has been continuously saying as below, and on social media twitter/facebook too with fake reports, that PTI women has been abused & molested in police stations, yes women has been captured violently but not a single case of molestation reported by any PTI women.



And implying here too:

Buddy, if you are going to give credence to every other Joe on the internet and take their word as the official one, then I got news for you.
 
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Why IK is not acceptable to military Inc., the divide and rule won't work.

Imran Khan has united the different ethnic groups, different linguistic groups, different sectarian groups, different religious groups together as one nation, one qoum, one force to reckon with.

This is more important than anything else.

And he has united all the crooks, the PMLN, PPP, fazlu group, all the PDM parties, the mafias, the military establishment mafia too, on one side.

Easily identifiable now.

So Imran Khan unites.

The people, as well as the anti people forces.
 
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