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Ouran and Siyer was the Elective in Turkish Schools

Selim, Zulkarneyn.... I am still waiting for your answers to this... Is this corruption or not?



P.S There is no english version of this article

Do you seriously accept this article as fact. I won't even read this article since as far as i see it is complete nonsense. Some of the titles from this newspapers: "Erdoğan Cumhuriyeti sildi!" "Tayyip Erdoğan'ın etekleri zil çalıyor"
and this picture
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Deno, is this the best you can do?
 
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Alavis are Turk, you racist ignorant...

Armenian or not, every Turkish citizen is part of this country and always will be... They gave soldiers to our army, they pay their taxes, they suffered the same ambargo after Cyprus invasion, they suffered the same ASALA terror, they suffered the same PKK terror as we Turks did...

What a racist and pitiful attempt of insult to call someone Armenian...

too emotional i'm crying now. "they suffered the same asala terror" just lol.
i'm not racist only i don't trust christians it is not important whether they are armenians or greeks. even multiethnic ottoman empire didn't use non Muslims as soldiers. we don't need them too.
i have not a problem with alawis. i'm just wanted to show hidden christians and atheists who are acting like alawis. be sure one third of alawis are not muslims especially kurdish alawis are crypto armenians.
christians or non believers can not take any decision about my country and religion.
 
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Read the rest of my post and you will understand the approach of the government. Or just simply use a little more brainpower and you might comprehend it by yourself, since it is very natural and logical progresssion.
I've readed all your post, if it was worth answering i would answer...

It doesnt matter if muslims are %99 or %1 government's approach still must be hypothetical. Because even as a muslim i have the right to learn the content of the bible if i have the right to learn about Kuran. Got it?

christians or non believers can not take any decision about my country and religion.
http://bit.ly/H4QxLJ
 
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Do you seriously accept this article as fact. I won't even read this article since as far as i see it is complete nonsense. Some of the titles from this newspapers: "Erdoğan Cumhuriyeti sildi!" "Tayyip Erdoğan'ın etekleri zil çalıyor"[/IMG]

Deno, is this the best you can do?

Really... What does even the source matters? What is important is what is written is trure or not... You can even deny facts when you see it with your own eyes...

And to think you called me fanatic...

too emotional i'm crying now. "they suffered the same asala terror" just lol.
i'm not racist only i don't trust christians it is not important whether they are armenians or greeks. even multiethnic ottoman empire didn't use non Muslims as soldiers. we don't need them too.
i have not a problem with alawis. i'm just wanted to show hidden christians and atheists who are acting like alawis. be sure one third of alawis are not muslims especially kurdish alawis are crypto armenians.
christians or non believers can not take any decision about my country and religion.

Simply idiotic...


@LegionnairE
 
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a new old news :offtopic:
Keşif Gözetleme Bireşimli Açıklıklı Radar (SAR) Uydu Sistemi (GÖKTÜRK-3)
Amaç : Türk Silahlı Kuvvetlerinin yüksek çözünürlüklü uydu görüntüsü ihtiyacını gece ve gündüz her hava şartında karşılamak.

Kapsam : 1 (bir) adet SAR sensörü taşıyan uydu, 1 (bir) adet sabit ana yer istasyonu, 1 (bir) adet mobil yedek yer istasyonu.

Proje Modeli :

Ana/Alt Yüklenici :

Sözleşme İmza Tarihi :

Mevcut Durum : Proje başlangıç aşamasındadır. (initiation stage)
 
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a new old news :offtopic:
Keşif Gözetleme Bireşimli Açıklıklı Radar (SAR) Uydu Sistemi (GÖKTÜRK-3)
Amaç : Türk Silahlı Kuvvetlerinin yüksek çözünürlüklü uydu görüntüsü ihtiyacını gece ve gündüz her hava şartında karşılamak.

Kapsam : 1 (bir) adet SAR sensörü taşıyan uydu, 1 (bir) adet sabit ana yer istasyonu, 1 (bir) adet mobil yedek yer istasyonu.

Proje Modeli :

Ana/Alt Yüklenici :

Sözleşme İmza Tarihi :

Mevcut Durum : Proje başlangıç aşamasındadır. (initiation stage)

In past you would post nice musics... I miss those times... :(
 
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@ Quasar : I understood every word of it ! :no:

Google Translator here I come !
 
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Well... He just posted a article about defence... He is trying to tell ''This is a defence forum'' :D
Well, i agree with all my heart but since moderators dont say anything about this i think kemalist-islamist fight will keep ruining the forum...
 
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Deno, don't waste your time, bro. ;)
Not worth it.
 
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I've readed all your post, if it was worth answering i would answer...

It doesnt matter if muslims are %99 or %1 government's approach still must be hypothetical. Because even as a muslim i have the right to learn the content of the bible if i have the right to learn about Kuran. Got it?


http://bit.ly/H4QxLJ

Your question is exactly what I explained earlier, what I hate most is repeating myself.
I will re-paste it here so you probably can comprehend it.

The government of Turkey whose 99% of its inhabitants are Muslims are going to give all the other religions same opportunity?
It wouldn't harm me if they did so, but I doubt they will form Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism classes or Christian classes since people are Muslim, and want to learn about Islam, Qur'an and Muhammad (pbuh).

It is a progression to start with the significant ones at first, maybe other religions will follow after this first step. Everything happens step by step. No school can afford to teach 20 different religion, since there are not sufficent teachers to teach every respective religion. But starting with what 99% wants is not a bad idea in my head, later you can focus on the 0.1% and 0.3% minorities (in total 1%).

Maybe I need to simplify it for you: I have no problem if Hinduism or Buddhism or Judaism or Christinaity was being tough as elective subjects. I highly doubt there will be enough students from ordinary school's though who will want to learn these religions since people are simply just Muslim in Turkey, or at least 99% of it (94% according to deno, but it doesnt matter). This means, if a class got 30 students in avarage in Turkey, not even a single student would want to select any other religion besides what he believes (which is Islam). In every 3 classes (of 30 students each) maybe you will find 1 interested (in other religions besides Islam).
I can't believe how you can't calculate those simple and highly obvious matters instead of talking nonesense about "eveyone should have equal rights".
I hope you can understand the point after simplifying my point into bits.

And let me ask you a question now. Do you think this approach was wrong by the parliament?

@deno

as Zulkarneyn states, a very untrustworthy source. And I still don't see any 20 billion dollar thingy (even in this untrustworthy site).
 
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In Germany you're getting at least the alternative to visit a so called Ethic-Class where you're learning about all religions, no matter which one. Students should be given an alternative, no one should be forced to visit religious classes. Also there should be Alevi classes too if you as a government want to do it right. We're a democracy, democracies grant you freedom of religion.
 
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In Germany you're getting at least the alternative to visit a so called Ethic-Class where you're learning about all religions, no matter which one. Students should be given an alternative, no one should be forced to visit religious classes. Also there should be Alevi classes too if you as a government want to do it right. We're a democracy, democracies grant you freedom of religion.

No one is forcing anyone to offer Qur'an or Siyer lectures. You probably didn't even read the first article yet?

And no, in Denmark (as former mentioned) Christianity is a obligatory (not elective) subject in primary school. So yes, even those "atheist" danes are "forcing" you to learn CHRISTIANITY! (OH MY GOD!?!??!!?!??!? DEMOCRACY!??!?!?!?!?)
 
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