Our Afghanistan policy

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Do you understand what world class military is?

Certainly, a country that can prevent a nation that is more than 7x bigger than us and has abundant access to the world's most advanced weapons systems whilst we are denied this privilege, from attacking us. Hardly any countries in the world can do that. Pakistan is one of the few that can.

 

[rustom]

Certainly, a country that can prevent a nation that is more than 7x bigger than us and has abundant access to the world's most advanced weapons systems whilst we are denied this privilege, from attacking us. Hardly any countries in the world can do that. Pakistan is one of the few that can.

Unbelievable ignorance. Your super duper country surrendered half the country and now pledged its sovereignty to china under a flowery scheme called CPEC is anything but world class.

 

[ziaulislam]

1. Afghanistan empire was not natural as it included half half dozen ethnic groups who don't get with each other and Pakistani fully exploited that but Afghanistan failed to do that in Pakistan which proves Pakistan became more natural with passage of time. Pakistan didn't loss anything which wasn't with in our reach. If India could they would liberate Pak "occupied" Kashmir first. If India couldn't then Afghanistan will be turned in to dust before they even think about it. Empires are not natural but people can stay together with common interest. This is why when ever some people said Pakistan wanted Afghanistan to make it 5th province were delusional as that would imply treating them as equals like any other Pakistani. It wanted to treat Afghanistan more or less like now.

2. Taliban are internal matter of Afghanistan and I can't see them going anywhere as long as they have justification of fighting against foreign army. They will continue to recruit unemployed young afghans easily.

3. Then not sure why you expect Pakistan to not morally and diplomatically support Afghan people who are in favour of peace with Pakistan like Haqqani network. Now even US is thinking about not giving aid till Kabul guarantee Pakistan.

4. Idea of only super powers being independent is foolish. Everyone is dependent on everyone for trade, etc but independent nations can pick and choose their foreign policy which Afghanistan can't atm because its occupied.

infact it seems from my study that even though so called educated class has a national identity but in general Afghanistan ethnic groups hate each other(lack of education/common identity/lanugauge/media for 3 decades), the very reason Taliban were not able to extend in all of the Afghanistan, my prediction from experience gained by talking to 1000s of common afghanis coming for health related issues to peshawar and talking to 1000s of immigrants is that, Afghanistan war will continue, ultimately, if USA leaves the parts currently occupied by ANA will split among the respective warlords(who still hold true power aka the northern alliance) and rest of pushtoon majority area as well the minority areas of tribes e.g gujjar tribes will be taken over by taliban, the contested area will be Kabul and shia minority areas

the only solution will be if USA decides to fix the root causes
1.solve opium, 2. solve afghan mentality with its neighbor, 3.education & health 4.building basic alternative economy to opium, human trafficking and gun trade

and i dont see this happening as it doesn't concern USA, infact a more unified Afghanistan would ask USA to leave

 

[A-Team]

thati s where you are wrong, it is this delusion that has kept Afghanistan for accepting pakistan, they think we would break up into God know what and they will grab KPK

since split in 1971 Pakistan has a single culture, identity and a language urdu, the proof is that today pushtoon identitfy them with pakistan not afghanistan, pushtton live in sindh, punjab, baluchistan, the punjabis lives in all four provinces, the baluchis live more in karachi than quetta, the so called boarders and tribes have diminished within the 70 years. you want more proof, KPK has voted for PPPP, ANP, PTI, PML , would they do that if race would be even an issue ??

there is more chance that Afghanistan would break into southern and northern Afghanistan as it was before US came than anyting happening to pakistan. if india with all its might couldnt break pakistan in 45 years it will not happen, india knows it too, there game is to keep us economically bad and hence playing afghan people and PAYING afghan leaders

your ignorance comes from lack of study of history, no identity stay for ever, this delusion of afgahnistna will be afghanistan will go away soon once afghanistan breaks up which seem to be the logical end of current civil war between warring factions..

You just shot yourself in the foot my friend here you affirming that since 1971, the key date here is 1971 and not 1947 ( So what went wrong in a matter of decades? ) , so you see you lost half of the country in a matter of decades What does that show? There is only a social contract, which is cemented by the army and rigorous one sided Pak studies in schools and nothing more.

Let me give you another recent example, Iraq very strong army, but now disintegrating, because arbitrary lines were drowned. But on the other hands Nations which has a history of being empires, stay rock solid, you don't need nuclear weapons, you don't need an army to keep you together, the nation stays together because they identify with something bigger, which is bigger than any state can provide.

Anyways I wish you as a pakhtoon a happy life in Pakistan, but we as two countries must make peace and live in harmony as for too long the people on both sides of suffered. Imagine opening all the borders, carrying on commerce, there is so much talent in this part of the world.

/Peace

 

[Kabira]

2. Yes they live on both sides, they also live in the US, like you do. I am stating the facts that Afghanistan though dirt poor will remain Afghanistan but can the same be side for Pakistan? No!

No it will not as Afghan is not natural name of current borders which are under Afghanistan while Pakistan is. You need to follow Pedram as he is only sane Afghan politician left.

 

[TMA]

I am not racist, and those calling dalkhoors or whatever are not worth talking with.

You might not be; can't say the same about the NATO created government in Kabul.

I just wish to remind you about social contracts: do not forget when the Afghan King betrayed millions of Pukhtoons and betrayed them into British India.

 

[A-Team]

Unbelievable ignorance. Your super duper country surrendered half the country and now pledged its sovereignty to china under a flowery scheme called CPEC is anything but world class.

Ouch!

 

[TMA]

You just shot yourself in the foot my friend here you affirming that since 1971, the key date here is 1971 and not 1947 ( So what went wrong in a matter of decades? ) , so you see you lost half of the country in a matter of decades What does that show? There is only a social contract, which is cemented by the army and rigorous one sided Pak studies in schools and nothing more.

Let me give you another recent example, Iraq very strong army, but now disintegrating, because arbitrary lines were drowned. But on the other hands Nations which has a history of being empires, stay rock solid, you don't need nuclear weapons, you don't need an army to keep you together, the nation stays together because they identify with something bigger, which is bigger than any state can provide.

Anyways I wish you as a pakhtoon a happy life in Pakistan, but we as two countries must make peace and live in harmony as for too long the people on both sides of suffered. Imagine opening all the borders, carrying on commerce, there is so much talent in this part of the world.

/Peace

Bengaladesh was relunctantly accepted by Quaid e Azaam to be part of Pakistan. Ideally it should have been separate from the get go but the British would not allow this.

Remember P A K (I)S TAN, there is no Bengal in it. (No offense to the Bangladeshis meant).

Unbelievable ignorance. Your super duper country surrendered half the country and now pledged its sovereignty to china under a flowery scheme called CPEC is anything but world class.

And if that is the state of Pakistan than what is the state of Afghanistan? A country INVADED by NATO. A government CREATED by NATO. An Airspace CONTROLLED by NATO.

 

[A-Team]

And if that is the state of Pakistan than what is the state of Afghanistan? A country INVADED by NATO. A government CREATED by NATO. An Airspace CONTROLLED by NATO.

Precisely my point, which is that the moment folks in Pakistan speak of Afghan sovereignty or independence they need to look inwards a bit.

Again independence is a relative term

/Peace

 

[Kabira]

infact it seems from my study that even though so called educated class has a national identity but in general Afghanistan ethnic groups hate each other(lack of education/common identity/lanugauge/media for 3 decades), the very reason Taliban were not able to extend in all of the Afghanistan, my prediction from experience gained by talking to 1000s of common afghanis coming for health related issues to peshawar and talking to 1000s of immigrants is that, Afghanistan war will continue, ultimately, if USA leaves the parts currently occupied by ANA will split among the respective warlords(who still hold true power aka the northern alliance) and rest of pushtoon majority area as well the minority areas of tribes e.g gujjar tribes will be taken over by taliban, the contested area will be Kabul and shia minority areas

the only solution will be if USA decides to fix the root causes
1.solve opium, 2. solve afghan mentality with its neighbor, 3.education & health 4.building basic alternative economy to opium, human trafficking and gun trade

and i dont see this happening as it doesn't concern USA, infact a more unified Afghanistan would ask USA to leave

USA isn't interested in solving Afghan-Pak issues. Even white supremacist like Trump who are in general not in favour of sending troops had to give in to American establishment policy.

A-team himself set very high standard for Taliban to follow. Human, women or what ever rights are foreign to taliban and their supporters, why you want to set that condition and not something which is acceptable to start off? Once there is peace then with time people can change. They want to do in few years what other nations needed many generations. This mean they are not serious about solving the issue.

 

[ziaulislam]

Unbelievable ignorance. Your super duper country surrendered half the country and now pledged its sovereignty to china under a flowery scheme called CPEC is anything but world class.

if letting foreign investment and joint venture giving up once sovereignty than you have given it up to Russia, china and USA all of them lol

Ouch!

silly me, i thought you were not a troll but you are no different than indian trolls, incapable of logical discussion, so me not gona waste my time talking to trolls

 

[TMA]

Precisely my point, which is that the moment folks in Pakistan speak of Afghan sovereignty or independence they need to look inwards a bit.

Again independence is a relative term

/Peace

You are comparing apples and oranges. Remember?

When did China INVADE Pakistan? When did China CREATE a government in Islamabad? When does China CONTROL the Airspace of Pakistan?

If: the beginning of a conditional sentence used by me for the sake of argument, not to suggest my agreement with what Rustum had written.

 

[Kabira]

You just shot yourself in the foot my friend here you affirming that since 1971, the key date here is 1971 and not 1947 ( So what went wrong in a matter of decades? ) , so you see you lost half of the country in a matter of decades What does that show? There is only a social contract, which is cemented by the army and rigorous one sided Pak studies in schools and nothing more.

Let me give you another recent example, Iraq very strong army, but now disintegrating, because arbitrary lines were drowned. But on the other hands Nations which has a history of being empires, stay rock solid, you don't need nuclear weapons, you don't need an army to keep you together, the nation stays together because they identify with something bigger, which is bigger than any state can provide.

Anyways I wish you as a pakhtoon a happy life in Pakistan, but we as two countries must make peace and live in harmony as for too long the people on both sides of suffered. Imagine opening all the borders, carrying on commerce, there is so much talent in this part of the world.

/Peace

I don't think you believe all that looking at Afghanistan history and how lines were drawn, what ever make you happy trolling.

 

[ziaulislam]

You just shot yourself in the foot my friend here you affirming that since 1971, the key date here is 1971 and not 1947 ( So what went wrong in a matter of decades? ) , so you see you lost half of the country in a matter of decades What does that show? There is only a social contract, which is cemented by the army and rigorous one sided Pak studies in schools and nothing more.

Let me give you another recent example, Iraq very strong army, but now disintegrating, because arbitrary lines were drowned. But on the other hands Nations which has a history of being empires, stay rock solid, you don't need nuclear weapons, you don't need an army to keep you together, the nation stays together because they identify with something bigger, which is bigger than any state can provide.

Anyways I wish you as a pakhtoon a happy life in Pakistan, but we as two countries must make peace and live in harmony as for too long the people on both sides of suffered. Imagine opening all the borders, carrying on commerce, there is so much talent in this part of the world.

/Peace

1947-1971 was a week confederation 1000s of miles away with no common language, govt of system, business or anything apart from religion. this shows how ignorant you are of history

this was the reason why initially the plan was two separate countries under 1940 resolution and 1946 cabinet mission(3 state plan, which was immediately accepted by PML)

keep east and west Pakistan was simply not possible, or feasible in long run, its unfortunate that it happened in war rather than peacefully

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Unbelievable ignorance. Your super duper country surrendered half the country and now pledged its sovereignty to china under a flowery scheme called CPEC is anything but world class.

bangladesh is 6× smaller than Pakistan. Since when did 1/2=1/6??????????......india is 3.7× bigger than Pakistan area wise but it's population is 7× bigger than Pakistan's.

You mention 1971 but conveniently forget August the 14th 1947 when a Muslim minority carved, ripped, dismembered and opened wide the legs of mother india to create Pakistan from conquered indian territory and there is nothing indian kind can EVER do to get that conquered indian territory back again

Speaking of CPEC, under the CPEC framwork there is ToT of all kinds of advanced weapons systens from China to Pakistan. This is to ensure Pakistan and hence Chinese strategic assets are protected from ALL threats. This will one day make Pakistan have one of the most powerful militaries in the world.


PS if Pakistan doesn't have a world class military and india is still too weak, powerless and helpless to attack Pakistan even though they are more than 7x bigger than us and have abundant access to the world's most advanced weapons systems whilst we are denied this privilege, then india must be a hyper weak and pathetic nation.........

So what happened after mumbai 2008 and uri 2016? Is india only good for fighting for bengalis in 1971 and not it's own people?

You just shot yourself in the foot my friend here you affirming that since 1971, the key date here is 1971 and not 1947 ( So what went wrong in a matter of decades? ) , so you see you lost half of the country in a matter of decades What does that show? There is only a social contract, which is cemented by the army and rigorous one sided Pak studies in schools and nothing more.

Let me give you another recent example, Iraq very strong army, but now disintegrating, because arbitrary lines were drowned. But on the other hands Nations which has a history of being empires, stay rock solid, you don't need nuclear weapons, you don't need an army to keep you together, the nation stays together because they identify with something bigger, which is bigger than any state can provide.

Anyways I wish you as a pakhtoon a happy life in Pakistan, but we as two countries must make peace and live in harmony as for too long the people on both sides of suffered. Imagine opening all the borders, carrying on commerce, there is so much talent in this part of the world.

/Peace

bangladesh is 6× smaller than Pakistan. Since when did 1/2=1/6???????........afghan brains!!!!!!.......no wonder afghanistan is in the state it is...........