Ottoman Invasion of Rome?

[mehmeTcc]

Can you post reasoning's as to why the Ottomans chose not to? Was it logistics, was Rome defended heavily, internal strive, any clues as to what stopped them??

Mehmed II was heavily inspired by Roman literature and traditions. He was planning to capture Constantinople(today it is Istanbul, btw) and Rome for claiming Roman Emperor title. First step was a total success, he conquered Istanbul, but he couldn't see the Turkish flag in the city of Rome.
Some historians claims that he was poisoned by the Venice. Turks always store "Kızıl Elma" idea their minds. Maybe Fatih failed to conquer Rome, but his idea still alive.

That's what Vienna was suppose to do, the central point of Europe. From there invasion of Poland, Germany, Italy, France, Switzerland were all territorially adjacsnt and possible. However, France at the time was thankful the Ottomans had attacked the Habsburg empire it relieved France from having to face them themselves, both France and the Habsburb empire were enemies. Perhaps, Ottoman Empire should have drawn support from France on the Vienna campaign, that is one option. Ottomans were capable of single handedly taking the city with better planning. Capturing Vienna I think may have been the point of no return for Europe. Perhaps, and just perhaps Britain at the far west edge region of Europe could have survived for another several decades even a century.

Second Siege of Vienna can be successful, but some idiots were controlling army in these days.

 

[Killuminati]

We also lost the Siege of Malta due to coordination lack. The romans collected all their high class crusaders there with support of other christians countries. If we could take Malta, Rome would be taken also.

 

[FatihSultanMehmet]

First siege of Vienna under Suleiman we could have taken it , but we had to leave the big cannons and many weapons because of the bad conditions , but we also had a big joint alliance against us , Holy League , Poland , Spanish , Germans etc

 

[Abdi-Karim Elmi]

If constantinople had not fallen, the renessance would not take place in Italia. Meaning no scientific revolution. Ottomans had 70% of europes fire arms no thanks to the mongols who introduced cannons and First Anti personnel.mines. Greek literature was banned under The byzantiums, because it's considered "pagan". Italy did not harass the Turks as much was the largest trading partner,.indroducing silk and Scientist from rome collecting calasdical greek literature e.g Di Vindi. Trade with the ottomans created a rift between the church and Merchants, Inventors which lead the decline of the vatican

 

[KingMamba]

Constantinople's collapse was imminent, the western roman empire was larger and had a larger army. A thrust into Rome itself could have spelled disaster for the ottomans

It would have been costly for sure but the invasion would have given the Ottomans a permanent stronghold in Europe and the chances of success were high.

Mehmed II was heavily inspired by Roman literature and traditions. He was planning to capture Constantinople(today it is Istanbul, btw) and Rome for claiming Roman Emperor title. First step was a total success, he conquered Istanbul, but he couldn't see the Turkish flag in the city of Rome.
Some historians claims that he was poisoned by the Venice. Turks always store "Kızıl Elma" idea their minds. Maybe Fatih failed to conquer Rome, but his idea still alive.


Second Siege of Vienna can be successful, but some idiots were controlling army in these days.

No doubt the taking of Rome would have been largely symbolic. Imagine the fear and uncertainty that would have spread throughout Europe had the Vatican fallen. Perhaps the Church would set up shop elsewhere but the symbolic blow to their power would have been catastrophic.

 

[mehmeTcc]

No doubt the taking of Rome would have been largely symbolic. Imagine the fear and uncertainty that would have spread throughout Europe had the Vatican fallen. Perhaps the Church would set up shop elsewhere but the symbolic blow to their power would have been catastrophic.

There is no need for imagination. When Gedik Ahmed Pasha took Otranto, he did spread rumours about Fatih's large army will invade to whole Italy. Many Italian cities were preparing to Fatih's arrival, even some of them did use coins in the name of Mehmed II.

 

[Wright]

There is no need for imagination. When Gedik Ahmed Pasha took Otranto, he did spread rumours about Fatih's large army will invade to whole Italy. Many Italian cities were preparing to Fatih's arrival, even some of them did use coins in the name of Mehmed II.

Just wondering, how powerful was Turkey in ww2 times compared to Italy?

 

[FatihSultanMehmet]

Just wondering, how powerful was Turkey in ww2 times compared to Italy?

Im not sure actually i was actually reading that yesterday about Turkey in WW2 , our foreign minister said something before which i thought was very true , he said about Turkish republic , we was always like a person with muscles which symbolises our military but we was lacking the brain which was economy , with both you get strong .

About WW2
HOW NEUTRAL WAS TURKEY IN WW2 ?

Now to how strong we was in WW2 , strong enough to deter an invasion i think and play neutral and we tried to stay as neutral as possible .

After Mustafa Kemal Atatürk's death, his successor Inönü was convinced that the Axis powers in WWII could not prevail. He remained staunch in the effort to keep Turkey neutral and signed a non-aggression pact with Germany 4 days prior to the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union. Prior to this, Turkey signed a treaty of mutual assistance with Britain and France after Germany signed a non-aggression pact with the Soviet Union. Although the early Nazi successes encouraged a number of pro-German supporters, and despite strong German pressure to allow Hitler passage of troops and movement over Turkey, Turkey stayed out of the war and finally cut off diplomatic relations with Nazi Germany in August 1944. Turkey then declared war on Germany in February of 1945 as a necessary precondition to participate in the Conference of International Organizations two months later, from which the modern U.N. was formed.

In addition to the tobacco the Germans imported from Turkey, one mustn’t forget they were also a major supplier of their cotton and chromium. Chromium is a relatively rare mineral that is used to harden steel, which made it essential for manufacturing military equipment. Throughout the war, Turkey was almost the sole supplier of chromium to the Nazis, they were also major (if not sole) suppliers of nickel, molybdenum, and copper. The contribution Turkey's chromium supplies made to the German war effort cannot be ignored, it is vital for high grade steel production.

Albert Speer, who was the armaments minister for Hitler, wrote in his memoirs that in 1943 he told Hitler that; "should supplies from Turkey be cut off, the stockpile of chromium is sufficient for only five to six months."

 

[FatihSultanMehmet]

How did İnönü keep Turkey neutral during WW2? - Historum - History Forums

 

[Wright]

Im not sure actually i was actually reading that yesterday about Turkey in WW2 , our foreign minister said something before which i thought was very true , he said about Turkish republic , we was always like a person with muscles which symbolises our military but we was lacking the brain which was economy , with both you get strong .

About WW2
HOW NEUTRAL WAS TURKEY IN WW2 ?

Now to how strong we was in WW2 , strong enough to deter an invasion i think and play neutral and we tried to stay as neutral as possible .

After Mustafa Kemal Atatürk's death, his successor Inönü was convinced that the Axis powers in WWII could not prevail. He remained staunch in the effort to keep Turkey neutral and signed a non-aggression pact with Germany 4 days prior to the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union. Prior to this, Turkey signed a treaty of mutual assistance with Britain and France after Germany signed a non-aggression pact with the Soviet Union. Although the early Nazi successes encouraged a number of pro-German supporters, and despite strong German pressure to allow Hitler passage of troops and movement over Turkey, Turkey stayed out of the war and finally cut off diplomatic relations with Nazi Germany in August 1944. Turkey then declared war on Germany in February of 1945 as a necessary precondition to participate in the Conference of International Organizations two months later, from which the modern U.N. was formed.

In addition to the tobacco the Germans imported from Turkey, one mustn’t forget they were also a major supplier of their cotton and chromium. Chromium is a relatively rare mineral that is used to harden steel, which made it essential for manufacturing military equipment. Throughout the war, Turkey was almost the sole supplier of chromium to the Nazis, they were also major (if not sole) suppliers of nickel, molybdenum, and copper. The contribution Turkey's chromium supplies made to the German war effort cannot be ignored, it is vital for high grade steel production.

Albert Speer, who was the armaments minister for Hitler, wrote in his memoirs that in 1943 he told Hitler that; "should supplies from Turkey be cut off, the stockpile of chromium is sufficient for only five to six months."

Interesting. I read a different piece a while back which said Turkey was planning to invade Nazi Germany in 1942 to stop its expansion.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

By this time the centre of power in europe was spain and its tercios.Rome was insignificant militarily.But may have been a psychological effect.