OTTOMAN EMPIRE WAR SONG

[forummurat]

If you guys don't mind, i would like to add Othman Egypt army song. I think they have the same rhythm.

Thank you very much for this march.. Very beautiful..
Can you translate please?
Do you know different musics in Egypt about Ottoman or from the Ottoman period?

 

[agentny17]

I just read the Wikipedia article concerning Muhammad Ali. I never realized how influential and important he was, just wow. He transformed Egypt completely during his time, he even won all his wars against the Ottoman empire, which is extremely impressive. He came as far as Konya and even won the battle there Battle of Konya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, but he returned after and made a deal with the Ottoman Sultan, even though he could march on to the Ottoman capital and claim the throne. He was indeed visionary and succesfull in comparison to Mahmud II, maybe if they marched and claimed the throne we would see a different Turkey and Middle East today.

Great man indeed, and i agree with you 100% that the ME would have been so much different, if he marched and claimed the throne... Till now in Egypt, we call him the founder of modern Egypt, althu he wasn't born in Egypt, and he didn't even speak a word of Arabic. He did great thing for Egypt no doubt, greatest Egyptian ruler since God knows whoever.

 

[forummurat]

Also, what the Arabs did to the Othmon Empire, is not worse than what the Othmon Empire did to Egypt from 1831-1841. Muhammad Ali of Egypt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ottoman Empire were the Caliphate Center and a legitimate central power of Muslims.. So any rebellion cannot be considered as legitimate.. according my think.. I suppose the Mubarak regime's the history understanding based on libel against the Ottomans like Kemalist regime of Turkey..

 

[agentny17]

Thank you very much for this march.. Very beautiful..
Can you translate please?
Do you know different musics in Egypt about Ottoman or from the Ottoman period?

I really don't know the difference between both musics, but i can tell you that i find them very similar, even till now.... I will try to translate it for you later, will send you a message once i do.

 

[Zulkarneyn]

Ottoman Empire were the Caliphate Center and a legitimate central power of Muslims.. So any rebellion cannot be considered as legitimate.. according my think.. I suppose the Mubarak regime's the history understanding based on libel against the Ottomans like Kemalist regime of Turkey..

Mate you have to admit that the later period of Ottoman Empire totally failed in reforms and keeping up with Europe, which is the sole reason we collapsed. I guess when the succession goes from father to son, you can never expect a just ruler, it all depends on the personality of the successor after all. Well, all in all we should learn from our past mistakes and build a better tomorrow.

 

[agentny17]

Ottoman Empire were the Caliphate Center and a legitimate central power.. So any rebellion cannot be considered as legitimate.. according my think.. I suppose the Mubarak regime's the history understanding based on libel against the Ottomans like Kemalist regime of Turkey..

But, the rebel didn't start till the Caliph refused to keep his promises, after Muhamed Ali helped him against the Greeks. He lost many men, and after that the Caliph didn't give him Syria. Even if he was wrong, the Caliph should not have used foreign forces(His actual enemies) to destroy an important part of his empire and its army. What did they gain ? nothing actually. Muhamed Ali was not an Egyptian, but it was gonna be better for the Othman Empire, and the Muslim world if he have taken the throne.

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Mate you have to admit that the later period of Ottoman Empire totally failed in reforms and keeping up with Europe, which is the sole reason we collapsed. I guess when the succession goes from father to son, you can never expect a just ruler, it all depends on the personality of the successor after all. Well, all in all we should learn from our past mistakes and build a better tomorrow.

I agree with you 100%, its all in the past. Now we have to learn from our mistakes, and hope for better future.

 

[Desert Fox]

They did great thing, don't get me wrong. But they are responsible for the good and the bad... If they took care of education more, we could have had a Renaissance of our own. We missed it, and we missed the industrial revolution... But to be fair, it didn't turn out to be better for most Muslim countries after the Ottoman empire collapse, and most are missing out the digital revolution.

Well, i did read somewhere on this very forum (not sure if the thread is till there or not) that by the early 20th century (right before the outbreak of WW1), the Ottomans had began to industrialize Turkey with the assistance of Germany and Austro-Hungarian Empire, many of the new reforms had stabilized the economy and were only beginning to trickle down to the common man until the War broke out and Turkey was forced to allocate large sums of money to the war effort.

I will try to find that thread, hopefully its still there.

 

[forummurat]

Like i said..
Our brains washed with lies and slanders of the secular regimes against the Ottoman State since 80 years..
They taught us that Ottomans were the source of all badnesses..
We live in the rose garden of secular dictatorships since 80 years..
Ottomans demolished thanks God..!!! Are we happy now..!!!

 

[Desert Fox]

Like i said..
Our brains washed with lies and slanders of the secular regimes against the Ottoman State since 80 years..
They learned us that Ottoman were the source of all badnesses..
We live in the rose garden of secular dictatorships since 80 years..
Ottomans demolished thanks God..!!! Are we happy now..!!!

Just as the Germans have been brainwashed that the NAZI's were evil and crap, even though extensive independent research as well as expert analysis has proven otherwise.

 

[agentny17]

Well, i did read somewhere on this very forum (not sure if the thread is till there or not) that by the early 20th century (right before the outbreak of WW1), the Ottomans had began to industrialize Turkey with the assistance of Germany and Austro-Hungarian Empire, many of the new reforms had stabilized the economy and were only beginning to trickle down to the common man until the War broke out and Turkey was forced to allocate large sums of money to the war effort.

I will try to find that thread, hopefully its still there.

Like what i said earlier, it didn't turn out very well either for the Arab/Muslim world after the collapse of the Ottoman empire. I am against wars within the Muslims world, do you think that i support betrayal by the so called kings and emirs ? ofcourse not. One of the worst thing that resulted from the collapse of the Otoman empire is that some countries have all the money and resources, and they are doing nothing about helping the other countries develop. I am not happy with what happened, but honestly the Ottoman empire was way weaker than what it once was at the end.

 

[Zulkarneyn]

Like i said..
Our brains washed with lies and slander of the secular regimes against the Ottoman State since 80 years..
They learned us that Ottoman were the source of all badnesses..
We live in the rose garden of secular dictatorships since 80 years..
Ottomans demolished thanks God..!!! Are we happy now..!!!

Brother, i understand your frustrations perfectly. But the time for the culprits and the traitors will come to daylight one by one. People have indeed been indoctrinated into thinking one way and never given a fair history lesson. Instead media giants has for decades demonized Imams and common Muslims as well. They have even banned Muslim Women entering Universities. Several times tried to close the AKP, but all of their miserable efforts have failed. Because if you are on a just and fair way, your country is behind you, and they can clearly see what has happened in Turkey and the trickeries and games as well. So don't worry, everything will be broguht to daylight.

Turkish: hersey yavas yavas aciga zaten cikiyor kardesim. Ne vatan hainlerini daha görecegiz biz.

 

[agentny17]

Like i said..
Our brains washed with lies and slanders of the secular regimes against the Ottoman State since 80 years..
They taught us that Ottomans were the source of all badnesses..
We live in the rose garden of secular dictatorships since 80 years..
Ottomans demolished thanks God..!!! Are we happy now..!!!

I am not, i really love Turkey, and its histroy. But we have to learn fromtime our mistakes... I just told you that Egypt had its best time in almost every field since the time of pharaohs when it was part of the Ottoman empire during Mohamed Ali era, and followed by Khedvie Ismail era little while after Mohamed Ali., that doesn't imply that i hate them, correct ?

 

[Zulkarneyn]

I am not, i really love Turkey, and its histroy. But we have to learn fromtime our mistakes... I just told you that Egypt had its best time in almost every field since the time of pharaohs when it was part of the Ottoman empire during Mohamed Ali era, and followed by Khedvie Ismail era little while after Mohamed Ali., that doesn't imply that i hate them, correct ?

Brother, he is just angered by the indoctrination system Turkey had since the republic. Where the Ottoman were showed bad by the public because of propoganda. I don't think it has anything to do with you. We all know your love for us it is mutual by the way

 

[BaybarsHan]

 

[agentny17]

Brother, he is just angered by the indoctrination system Turkey had since the republic. Where the Ottoman were showed bad by the public because of propoganda. I don't think it has anything to do with you. We all know your love for us it is mutual by the way

Well, i didn't know about that. I think it is all politcs. More about keeping religion out of politics. But at the end you have an Islamic party ruling, and its doing a great job... BTW, Moahmed Ali, and his family were shown bad in histroy books after Egypt became republic in 1952, but that changed in the 80's. Good good will always prevail, no body can change histroy.