Osama Dead. Obama Confirms.

[muse]

The US mainstream media is going hammer and tongs after ISI/PA

Lets accept it and lets be open to it -- and lets find answers as to how this was "allowed" to happen, WHO allowed it --- and let the chips fall where they may - let those responsible accept responsibility

while i dont believe in conspiracy theories.. This time I am not comfortable.. During killing of many rivals the first thing which we get is Photographs or videos from US just like Saddam's killing

I think US authorities will want to wait for initial reaction to subside and I'm sure - SURE - that some photos will be released --- but you know that that will not satisfy some amongst us - they will not be satisfied with anything other than the mystical occutlation of Osama

 

[desiman]

Hope the hypocrisy of the Pakistani establishment is exposed by this, Osama sitting under their noses in a military dominated area in a mansion and no one knows, common who are you kidding. What happened to the "World's Best" intelligence agency and the "Strongest" nuclear armed muslim army in the world. This same two faced approach is what India has been harping about ever since the WOT started, Pakistan is only using the WOT excuse to milk money and have some bargaining chips with the USA otherwise the no one would even care about the country. The real terrorist hide on the other end of Pakistan still plotting and planning acts of terror against other country's specifically India. Not only is this incident a national embarrassment to Pakistan but also shows how deep the terror network goes in the country. 60 years after Independence Pakistan still isnt free the the shackles of mindless hate.

 

[Zeluvaa]

Bin Laden: Pakistan intelligence agency admits failures:

The government of Pakistan has categorically denied any knowledge of the raid before it took place.

No base within Pakistan was used by US forces, the ministry of foreign affairs said in a statement.

It went on: "US helicopters entered Pakistani airspace making use of blind spots in the radar coverage due to hilly terrain."

The ISI official said: "We were totally caught by surprise. They were in and out before we could react."

Just excerpts from the article, the actual article is quite long! I don't know if it has been posted earlier or not.

But this indicates that apparantly ISI did not have prior knowledge of the event, which sounds very fishy to me!

 

[muse]

It started yesterday only..this Denial-ism... I wonder why certain media persons like to manufacture conspiracy theories ..

Watch News Night With Talat

It's a problem in Pakistan -- this childish inability to insist that the world conform to our imagination and not us to the reality

 

[Pride]

One of the stories doing rounds is that OBL is in captivity of USA and singing like a canary. Once he has spilled his guts, he will be killed and photos released..

Dont know about that.. but something is fishy very fishy... It all looks like started from ISI chief Pasha's early return from Us to Pakistan.. Again, We might not get to know the real truth

 

[jha]

Yesterday night Hamid Mir was claiming that Radars were jammed to ensure the safely passage of Helis...An extremely alarming situation..

 

[huzihaidao12]

China hails death of bin Laden, defends partner Pakistan | Reuters
China hails death of bin Laden, defends partner Pakistan


(Reuters) - China hailed on Tuesday the death of Osama bin Laden in a U.S. raid while defending its regional partner Pakistan against accusations it had done too little against terror threats.

Beijing and Washington have gone through bouts of friction over Taiwan and Tibet, regional security and most recently China's clampdown on dissent and human rights activists.

China showed no appetite, however, for turning the U.S. raid that killed bin Laden on Pakistani soil into a point of dispute.

"We have noted the announcement and believe that this is a major event and a positive development in the international struggle against terrorism," Jiang said about the White House's announcement that bin Laden, the al Qaeda leader who orchestrated the Sept. 11 attacks, was killed in a U.S. raid, Chinese newspapers reported on Tuesday.

Next week, officials from China and the United States meet in Washington for a Strategic and Economic Dialogue, annual talks to help manage disagreements over trade, currency issues and foreign policy.

But the Chinese spokeswoman, Jiang, made a point of standing by Pakistan, Beijing's closest partner in south Asia, which has faced criticism from U.S. lawmakers and others that the discovery of bin Laden hiding so close to Islamabad showed Pakistan had done too little to fight terror threats.

That criticism has raised the possibility of a widened rift between Washington and Islamabad.

"Pakistan stands at the forefront of the international struggle against terrorism," Jiang told a regular news conference, after her initial statement on bin Laden had appeared.

"The Pakistani government's determination to fight terrorism is staunch and its actions have been vigorous. Pakistan has made important contributions to the international struggle against terror," she said.

"China will continue staunchly supporting Pakistan developing and implementing its own anti-terror strategy based on its own national conditions."

FRIENDS

China has said separatist militants in its far west Xinjiang region have been supported by foreign extremists.

Critics of Beijing's policies in Xinjiang, which shares a border with Pakistan, have said it has exaggerated those links to justify political and religious controls on the restive Muslim Uighur minority.

China and Pakistan call each other "all-weather friends" and their close ties have been underpinned by longstanding wariness of their common neighbour, India, and a desire to hedge against U.S. influence in the region.

China is building nuclear reactors in Pakistan despite grave misgivings from other countries, which fear proliferation and safety risks.

Bin Laden's death and any rift between the United States and Pakistan will not affect Beijing's policies towards Islamabad, said Guo Xian'gang, vice president of the China Institute of International Studies, a government think tank.

"China's role in Pakistan won't change because of this. In the eyes of the Chinese government and people, bin Laden was a terrorist ringleader," said Guo. "But I do think we have to understand that his death does not mean the death of al Qaeda -- there's still the real risk of counter-attacks."

China is a member of the 15-nation U.N. Security Council that on Monday welcomed the news "that Osama bin Laden will never again be able to perpetrate such acts of terrorism".

"China has always opposed all forms of terrorism," said Jiang. "China advocates that the international community enhance international anti-terror cooperation and adopt comprehensive steps to treat both the symptoms and the root causes of terrorism."

 

[foxbat]

Just excerpts from the article, the actual article is quite long! I don't know if it has been posted earlier or not.

But this indicates that apparantly ISI did not have prior knowledge of the event, which sounds very fishy to me!

Its a devil and the deep sea choice for ISI. Chose complicity or incompetence. Looks like they are going for incompetence.. While that may throw some cold water on the spirits of some PDF members who think of it as the Sooper Dooper collection of a thousand James Bonds, dont think it will find my serious takers in international arena..

 

[roadrunner]

Pakistan did a great job helping the Americans catch OBL, as Obama mentioned.

 

[Pride]

It's a problem in Pakistan -- this childish inability to insist that the world conform to our imagination and not us to the reality

So whats your point? Do you say that ISI/PA sheltered OBL under their nose and once he was useless he is allowed to killed by US breaching Pakistan's soverignity??

 

[desiman]

It's a problem in Pakistan -- this childish inability to insist that the world conform to our imagination and not us to the reality

Pak leadership could use some people like you right now.

 

[muse]

I'm attaching the editorial below for the benefit of some Pakistanis - to allow them to consider if this PDF offline was necessary -- and if it sharpens the thinking of our Indian friends, well, why not..

Editorial
May 2, 2011 23:24 IST |
What the end of bin Laden means

In the nearly 10 years since the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks in the United States, if there was a man who could claim responsibility for single-handedly setting the world's agenda, it was Osama bin Laden. As the smiling face behind the 9/11 attacks, the leader of a global terror network that reared its head in countries from the U.S. to the United Kingdom to Indonesia, bin Laden changed the way we led our lives in more ways than has yet been fully understood. With the attacks on the Twin Towers, the U.S invaded Afghanistan, unleashing a war that has claimed thousands of civilian lives, in which much of the western world is involved to a greater or lesser degree. It did not make the world a safer place as promised but only made people everywhere more vulnerable to terrorist attacks. Al-Qaeda's alleged spread into Saddam Hussein's Iraq was one of the reasons cited by the Bush administration for the 2003 invasion of that country. With an ideology that offered nothing but a pledge to destroy the U.S. and the “enemies of Islam” everywhere, bin Laden and his network of jihadists exploited a welter of real and perceived grievances of populations in the Islamic world, both against their own governments and the outside world, especially the U.S. In the al-Qaeda solution, there was no room for negotiations, bargains, or compromises with the “enemy.” The true path was that of violence, which created a self-fulfilling prophesy of a “clash of civilisations” by drawing the U.S. and other western powers into an ever-spiralling war against “terror” — a war al-Qaeda and its ally, the Taliban, and other groups linked to them by their radical ideologies were able to project as a war against Islam, strengthening bin Laden's hands with every passing day. The U.S. had been pursuing him even before 9/11, in fact from as far back as 1992. After his escape from the fierce assault on his hideout in Afghanistan's Tora Bora caves, he was suspected to be hiding in Pakistan. His killing on the night of May 1, in a targeted operation by U.S. Navy Seals at his hideout 150 km from the Pakistan capital city Islamabad, is a landmark development in the “war against terror.”

Beyond relief, what implications does this development hold for the world? When President Barack Obama announced the death of bin Laden in an address from the White House, he was correct in cautioning that this did not mean the end of al-Qaeda. Over the decade since 9/11, the network has expanded, spread, morphed, and broken off into what have come to be known as “al Qaeda franchises” round the world. These franchises have shown their ability to plan and carry out attacks in their area of operation independently of bin Laden. Only last year, a plot to carry out a bombing in the United States with explosives packed in couriered parcels was uncovered in the nick of time; the plot was claimed by al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AIQM). Last month al-Qaeda warned it would unleash “a nuclear hell storm” in Europe, giving rise to fears that it might have a nuclear bomb. There is a real possibility that the killing of bin Laden will turn him into a martyr, inspiring others to take up the battle. Certainly, countries around the world are bracing for reprisal attacks. Much, however, depends on how Washington conducts itself from this point onwards. For starters, President Obama needs to rethink the war in Afghanistan. If the ultimate objective is to talk to “moderate” Taliban in order to negotiate an end to this war, there is no justification for further military operations in that country, and no excuse for delaying the departure of the U.S. and other foreign troops.

Pakistan certainly has some soul-searching to do. Its political leaders and officials always rejected suspicions that the al-Qaeda leader was holed up in their country. It is deeply troubling that the 54-year-old bin Laden, for whom the U.S. had announced a bounty of $50 million, had made a home not in some remote inaccessible corner of Pakistan, but in one of its most pleasant cities, close to the capital, in a house that was so big it could not have escaped notice. That it was located less than a kilometre from the Kakul Military Academy is even more troubling. Is it believable that Pakistan's intelligence agencies did not know about the presence of the world's most wanted terrorist? Did they ignore what was going on under their noses? Or worse, were they involved in maintaining the safe haven? During his 2008 election campaign, President Obama pledged that if there was “actionable intelligence” about bin Laden in Pakistan, he would authorise action with or without Islamabad's help. In his speech, he was careful to highlight Pakistan's counter-terrorism cooperation. But this daring operation, eight months in the planning, had no Pakistanis on board. In the last few months, relations between the two countries have deteriorated over the CIA's covert operations inside the country.

While much blame can be apportioned to the way the U.S. has conducted itself in the region, for Pakistan the killing of bin Laden on its soil is a moment of truth, somewhat similar to the discovery that the 2008 Mumbai terror attacks were launched from its territory, only much bigger in its implications. In India, which has tried to overcome the public's hostility towards Pakistan over the Mumbai attacks through a series of peace moves under the personal initiative of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, it will certainly be hoped that the death of bin Laden strengthens the hands of those forces in Pakistan who want their state to shut the door on militancy, extremism, and terrorism once and for all. While it may be tempting to see bin Laden's killing at Abbottabad as confirmation of India's worst fears, New Delhi must resist the temptation to crow, and must push ahead with the peace process with the civilian government of Pakistan.

 

[huzihaidao12]

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中国外交部：巴基斯坦为国际反恐斗争作出重要贡献

2011年5月3日，外交部发言人姜瑜主持例行记者会。

新华网北京５月３日电（记者孙奕田栋栋）中国外交部发言人姜瑜３日就“基地”组织领导人本·拉丹在巴基斯坦被击毙事答问时表示，巴基斯坦为国际反恐斗争作出了重要贡献，中方会继续坚定支持巴方根据自身国情制定和实施反恐战略。

姜瑜表示，巴基斯坦处在国际反恐斗争的重要前沿。巴基斯坦政府反恐决心是坚定的，反恐行动是有力的,巴基斯坦为反恐斗争作出了重要贡献。

姜瑜说，中方会继续坚定支持巴方根据自身国情制定和实施反恐战略，也愿与包括巴基斯坦和印度在内的所有南亚各国一道，共同维护地区和平与安宁。

“中国支持各国根据自身国情制定反恐战略，并且遵照联合国宪章和国际公认的国际法和国际基本准则实施反恐战略。”她说。

她表示，中方注意到，巴基斯坦外交部在事件后表示绝不允许其领土被用于发动针对任何国家的恐怖袭击，巴方会继续支持国际社会打击恐怖主义。对于巴基斯坦上述立场，中方表示尊重、理解和支持。


问：巴基斯坦政府称不知道本·拉登住在伊斯兰堡附近，中方是否相信巴政府这一表态？本·拉登被击毙是否会影响中国对巴基斯坦政策？

　　答：我们昨天已就这一事件作出了正式表态。恐怖主义是国际社会公敌。中国历来反对一切形式的恐怖主义，并积极参与国际反恐合作。国际社会应进一步加强协作，采取综合手段标本兼治，共同打击恐怖主义。

　　巴基斯坦处在国际反恐斗争的重要前沿。巴基斯坦政府的反恐决心是坚定的，行动是有力的，巴基斯坦为国际反恐斗争做出了重要贡献。我们注意到，事件发生后，巴基斯坦外交部表示，绝不允许其领土被用于发动针对任何国家的恐怖袭击，巴方将继续支持国际社会打击恐怖主义的努力。我们对巴方上述立场表示尊重、理解和支持。中方将继续坚定支持巴方根据自身国情制定和实施反恐战略，愿与包括印巴在内的南亚各国一道，共同维护地区的和平与稳定。

 

[bc040400065]

Good Riddance.. at least Osama chapter closed (though it opened a lot of others).. i don't think that Pakistanis should concern about what OUTSIDERS think.. they should start asking questions to the INSIDERS themselves.. was he killed before? was he brought after being killed? was he captured long time ago and used to get STRONG reasons to infiltrate Pakistan? was he there for an hour, a day, a month, a year or whole decade? these are not the questions which we need answer about.. What we need answered is.. HOW THE HELL did 4 choppers flew from OUTSIDE the country and then COMPLETED their mission in 40+ minutes and then GO BACK without any response from PA?..

My question is.. If PA does not have capability to track such attacks then why are we keeping and paying them? and IF they HAD the capability and they could have taken steps to stop them then WHY did they not? and IF they intentionally over looked it then WHAT was the reason? WHY was the sovereignty of the country sold? WHAT was the reason?

I have respected PA for whole of my life.. i am sorry to say but i am questioning myself if it is worth respect or not!

Not only you there are millions of Pakistanis that have acknowledged and respected Army and Other forces, But now Alot needs to be answered, How the hell US can come in the heart of pakistan and conduct a operation of this scale and No one even knew what was happening, And sorry but It is no Tribal area, It is ABBOTTABAD, The home to 2 Army regiments and Biggest Military training facility. What i have read is the US either Jammed our radars or They came in flying realy low and were un detected. And this realy concerns whole of Pakistani public. people damn care about Usama but they want answer to one question, How the hell US was able to conduct a military operation deep inside Pakistan and where the hell our whole mighty military was??
What i have read is that Military had no idea what was happening and at the end they asked Air support from kamra which arrived to late. So One question more, Just few more kilometers and US gets to Kahota and many others defence sites, so should the people of Pakistan now presume that even that can happen and whole of our mighty military will be caught sleeping again???

 

[desiman]

Pakistan did a great job helping the Americans catch OBL, as Obama mentioned.

please quote where he said that, Pak wasnt even aware of the operation.