Osama Dead. Obama Confirms.

[Roby]

They were either involved or they are simply 'incompetent'.

Not good for Pakistan, either way.

 

[foxbat]

Just to add.. The failure is not of detection or interception.. Even a country like USA faces airborne smugglers from Mexico and Canada on its borders and is not able to stop them 100%. A heli can easily mimic a slow flying object that most radars are programmed to ignore to avoid radar screen clutter generated by birds etc.

The failure if any is to have osama living where he was.. A lot of people are just focusing on the wrong thing imo

 

[VCheng]

Just to add.. The failure is not of detection or interception.. Even a country like USA faces airborne smugglers from Mexico and Canada on its borders and is not able to stop them 100%. A heli can easily mimic a slow flying object that most radars are programmed to ignore to avoid radar screen clutter generated by birds etc.

The failure if any is to have osama living where he was.. A lot of people are just focusing on the wrong thing imo

When did smugglers land 800 yards from West Point undetected?

 

[SekrutYakhni]

As I stated in another thread, certain fractions of ISI knew about this raid but they cannot openly claim due to political reasons. Obama needed a political win and here it came. Now, will Obama keep his word and exit?

As Mastan Khan knows, if Obama does not keep his words than God bless this world.

 

[foxbat]

When did smugglers land 800 yards from West Point undetected?

There gotta be some difference between Smugglers and Special forces.. Innit??



---------- Post added at 08:24 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:24 PM ----------

As I stated in another thread, certain fractions of ISI knew about this raid but they cannot openly claim due to political reasons. Obama needed a political win and here it came. Now, will Obama keep his word and exit?

As Mastan Khan knows, if Obama does not keep his words than God bless this world.

Didnt you an year back predict boots on the ground....??

 

[Developereo]

As I stated in another thread, certain fractions of ISI knew about this raid but they cannot openly claim due to political reasons. Obama needed a political win and here it came. Now, will Obama keep his word and exit?

The choppers are actually less important; we know the US has superior stealth technology, so it's not really surprising.

The important thing is that a raid in a garrison town went unchallenged for 40 minutes. Either it was deliberately left alone (or even cordoned off) indicating Pakistan's active cooperation; or the Pakistani authorities failed to react.

The 40 minute raid is the more interesting aspect to me. In fact, the twitter guy heard the choppers before the actual raid, so the authorities had a lot of time to react.

 

[The HBS Guy]

Osama's youngest bride in US-Pakistan tug of war - The Economic Times

 

[Laughing_soldier]

Toronto, May 4 (IANS) Pakistan was lucky not to have intervened in Sunday night's US military operation to kill Al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden as Americans had armed jets on standby in Afghanistan to respond massively, says a media report here.

'Pakistan might have gotten very, very lucky on Sunday'' as the US would have responded massively to its interference in the operation to take out the world's most wanted terrorist, the National Post newspaper said here.

'Given the importance of extracting bin Laden's body for examination and the obvious desire of the US to protect its special forces is that, yes, America would have shot down any Pakistani jet that attempted to intervene in the operation,'' the paper said.

'They (Americans) were likely gambling that they would be in and out of Pakistan before a battle became necessary, or perhaps they were able to impress upon the Pakistani civilian leadership the extreme consequences that would ensue if Pakistan's fighters interfered in the operation.''

The paper said Pakistan would have been entirely within its legal rights to fire on any unauthorized foreign military forces operating over their territory.

'Abbottabad isn't some backwater, lawless tribal area, but by all reports an affluent city. American military forces were operating there without permission. It's easy to foresee that the Pakistanis would have felt entirely justified in firing on them.''

But from the Pentagon's perspective, the paper said, 'they (Americans) would have been ready for it... Pakistan might have gotten very, very lucky on Sunday.''

The paper said 'there seems to be growing consensus that Pakistan was informed of the operation (only) as it got under way, not consulted in advance - and certainly not asked permission.

'This is important, because the Pakistani military is quite powerful and advanced, and would be capable of responding to a foreign military incursion if it so chose.''

The paper said Blackhawk and Chinook helicopters used by US Navy SEALs to carry out the raid would have been 'easy prey for any Pakistani fighter jet that the Americans detected approaching bin Laden's compound, or that tried to pursue the helicopters as they returned to Afghanistan.

'Therefore assume that the Americans had some forces on standby to protect their SEALs and helicopters, which probably means armed fighter jets loitering inside Afghanistan, ready to cross into Pakistan with cannons and missiles blazing - if necessary.''

The paper also quoted John O. Brennan, Obama's counter-terrorism advisor, who said Monday that 'thankfully there was no engagement with Pakistani forces.''

'Pakistan might have gotten very, very lucky on Sunday' - Yahoo! News

 

[SBD-3]

Army Chief Kayani warns against violation of Pak sovereignty
Staff Report
RAWALPINDI: Chief of the Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani warned against any future ambition on Pakistani soil, saying Pakistan would end its anti-terror cooperation with its allies including US if any Abbottabad-like operation was carried out here.

Presiding over a Corps Commander conference here, Kayani warned Pakistan would review its anti-terror cooperation with other countries including USA, if any other Abbottabad-like operation occured again Pakistani soil.

Army Chief Kayani stressed in categorical terms no other operation like one in Abbottabad by US forces, would be put up with.

Commenting on Indian Army Chief’s statement regarding Indian capability to conduct any Abbottabad-like operation on Pakistani soil, Corps Commanders Conference urged the Indians against misunderstandings, saying any misadventure of this kind will be responded to very strongly. “There should be no doubt about it.”

Army Chief said Pakistani nuclear assets and installations are safe under fool-proof security.

Pakistani played a pivotal role in crackdown against Qaeda and Taliban, as it tracked down over 100 extremists without any help from CIA.

Kayani warned in clear-cut words that any similar action violating the sovereignty of Pakistan would warrant a review of military, intelligence cooperation with the US.

Kayani called Army corps commanders to army headquarters in Rawalpindi to inform them about the decision to reduce the strength of US military personnel in Pakistan to the minimum level. SAMAA
Army Chief Kayani warns against violation of Pak sovereignty :: SAMAA TV :: Top Story, Breaking News, Latest News, Pakistan News, World News, Sports News, Business News, Entertainment News, Health News, Innovation News, Videos

 

[VCheng]

"Ab ki maar ke dekh!"

 

[VCheng]

The USS Carl Vinson would have obliterated any resistance.

 

[SBD-3]

Interview with man who sold land bin Laden
ABBOTTABAD: The Pakistani man who owned the compound that sheltered Osama bin Laden in his final years said he was buying the property for "an uncle," according to the doctor who sold him a piece of the land in 2005.

The man was identified in property records as Mohammad Arshad; neighbors said one of two Pakistani men living in the house went by the name Arshad Khan.

The two names apparently refer to the same man and both names may be fake.

But one thing is clear, bin Laden relied on a small, trusted inner circle as lifelines to the outside that provided for his daily needs such as food and medicine and kept his location secret.

And it appears they did not betray him.

Among those in that inner circle were Arshad and another man who has been identified as either his brother or cousin.

Arshad is suspected as the courier who ultimately led the Americans to bin Laden, unwittingly, after years of painstaking tracking.

American officials said the courier and his brother were killed in the American commando raid on Monday in the northwestern Pakistani town of Abbottabad.

Qazi Mahfooz ul Haq, a doctor, told The Associated Press on Wednesday that he sold a plot of land to Arshad in 2005.

He said the buyer was a sturdily built man who had a tuft of hair under his lower lip.

He spoke with an accent that sounded like it was from Waziristan, a tribal region close to Afghanistan that is home to many al-Qaida operatives.

Neighbors identified Arshad Khan as one of two Pakistani men living in the house where bin Laden hid for up to six years.

Property records obtained by The Associated Press show Mohammad Arshad bought adjoining plots in four stages between 2004 and 2005 for 48-thousand US Dollars.

Ul Haq saw Arshad a few times after he sold him the land, he said.

"He was a good and simple humble type of man," he said.

Arshad bought two other plots used for the compound in a less transparent transaction in November 2004, according to a review of the property records.

Raja Imtiaz Ahmed, who previously owned the two plots, said he sold them to a middleman who may have then passed them on to Arshad.

He could not recall the middleman's name and was looking for records that would reveal it.

Bin Laden may have been living in the house for up to six years before US Navy Seals raided the compound and shot the al-Qaida leader.

A total of 10-12 people, including six or seven children, and a woman were seized from the compound and are all in Pakistani custody, a Pakistani intelligence official said, speaking on condition of anonymity in line with the agency's policy.

The woman, whose nationality the official would not disclose, is wounded and undergoing treatment at a hospital, he said.

Pakistan has stepped up its attempt to convince the world that it didn't know where bin Laden was located.

They maintain that the al-Qaida leader's ability to hide in Abbottabad, an army town just two hours drive from the capital, was the result of government oversight, not double dealing.

 

[Prometheus]

"Ab ki maar ke dekh!"

 

[desiman]

now that would have been interesting for sure.

 

[Comet]

I don't know how credible is this news but here it is
BREAKING NEWS: US special operations command used stealth helicopters to conduct the operation